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"The body would be placed with the head towards the northwest and feet to the southwest." This isn't possible, unless the body is bent. Is it supposed to be northwest and southeast?
Didn't the Pawnee indians have permanent villages too. Or are they part of the Mandan? Lazylizards8 00:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ganymead, you link simple years. I haven't changed it, because it's commonly done, but I think policy has changed (I'm for one would be glad of it), and you're not supposed to link them any more. User:Tony1 frequently makes this point on WP:FAC, and I haven't seen anybody contradict him. Simple years aren't affected by date preferences anyway, please see this Manual of Style page: "If the date doesn't contain a day and a month, then date preferences won't work, and square brackets won't respond to your readers' auto-formatting preferences. So unless there is a special relevance of the date link, there's no need to link it. This is an important point: simple years, decades and centuries should only be linked if there's a strong reason for doing so." Best, Bishonen | talk 22:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
A lot of them need to be cropped. The "pure" images could always be retrieved again from the U.S. government sites if that concerns anybody. I'll do it myself if no one objects or if someone else wants to do it.— jiy ( talk) 09:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I was so surprised to see an Indian Tribe article featured on the front page. I have seen so many on Wikipedia that need lots of work. This artical is fabulously organized, cited, and illustrated. Wonderful job to those of you who helped. -- Schwael 16:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ditto...Top notch article. Rlevse 17:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ditto. I was surprised to see not only an Indian tribe featured, but one with which I am relatively familiar, having grown up 30 miles from New Town. Good work, everyone who contributed to this article. Ari 19:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
A great job!!! have enjoyed watching the article progress the past few weeks. Best wishes. WBardwin 22:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
"After awakening, the warrior would sacrifice the little finger on both hands [...] those completing the ceremony twice would gain everlasting fame among the tribe." What sacrifice was made second time around? Rich Farmbrough 17:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Was the O-Kee-Pa/Okeepe information not accurate? The history of that article stub says it was redirected because the information already existed here, but now it is gone. -- nae'blis (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC) Ĥ
I was wondering if this part could be rewritten a little:
"the Mandan developed a religious ceremony to bring the buffalo closer to their villages. This ceremony, known as the Okipa, served not only to attract buffalo, but also to renew the world for another year."
My problem with it is that, as written, the sentences imply causation: that the religious ceremonies actually had the effects described. The statements should be prefaced with something like "The Mandans believed that ...". Or I am mistaken, and there is evidence that the religious ceremonies really did somehow attract buffalo? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.53.253.2 ( talk • contribs) 11:09, October 24, 2006 (UTC)
It's fine with me. I'll go ahead and add it. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 02:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The following statement has been removed until I can be sourced.
A note was left on the editor's talk page, but if anyone else can provide a source for this, please do. However, I would prefer to add this statement back myself as I think it should go elsewhere in the article. Thanks! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 15:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The committee investigating him said "Our investigation has found that there is some evidence in written accounts of Indian reactions in 1837 and in native oral traditions that would allow a reasonable scholar who relies heavily on such sources to reach Professor Churchill’s interpretation that smallpox was introduced deliberately among Mandan Indians near Fort Clark by the U.S. Army, using infected blankets.181 We therefore do not conclude that he fabricated his account." http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/download/WardChurchillReport.pdf T heir contention with him was over improper footnotes not making false accusations.
See, among others, Thomas Brown, Did the US Army distribute Small Pox Blankets to Indians? Fabrication and Falsification in Ward Churchill's Genocide Rhetoric, Ann Arbor MI, 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1210:3ECB:2600:9C5E:BD5:C9A3:7C0 ( talk) 14:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The claim of Viking influence and ancestry seems to have no substantial support. The only reference is a self-published text, which merely propounds the theory with many weasel words and hardly any evidence (Vikings in Newfoundland, some blue eyed Mandans, disputed runestone in Minnesota). Unless there is a better source, this paragraph is unjustified and should be removed. Kanguole ( talk) 09:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Gale, I think that combining both the Welsh and the Viking theories in one section should work - although I don't like the title I gave my initial combined effort. Both theories origininate in the 19th Century, although distanced in time. Both of them received a good measure of popular support during their time period and both are referenced today in more speculative publications, with the Viking theory currently more popular. I see no reason why Catlin can't be in two succeeding sections, so I moved his musings down a paragraph. Other ideas, anyone? WBardwin ( talk) 03:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Civil Engineer III made some copyedits today, some of which were useful but he also removed the Marshall T Newman reference and that article is key to any discussion of the European Mandan arguments (which he debunks). I reverted his changes and then put back a few of his edits manually.-- Dougweller ( talk) 16:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I've just order the classic study Mandan Social and Ceremonial Organization by Alfred W. Bowers & Gerard Baker which should help upgrade this article so it really deserves to be and gets back its status of Featured Article.-- Dougweller ( talk) 17:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if they used the Corn Beans & Squash together called the Three Sisters (of agriculture)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.176.242 ( talk) 01:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
It's appalling to think that about all the Native Americans whose cultures were destroyed but for the sake of cold historical fact I have to ask: 'Are the Mandans not extinct as a tribe?' Reference (for example): http://top-10-list.org/2011/11/04/top-10-native-tribes-who-faced-extinction/
This article gives the impression that they are, but is this accurate? 92.24.228.153 ( talk) 20:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mandan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Sets an example for other similar articles. Only misses infobox -- Phaedriel, 13 Feb 06 |
Last edited at 22:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 22:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I adapted this table from one given in the Handbook of North American Indians. I cannot figure out where in the article it would be best to place it, nor how to place a table alongside the text. If anybody can figure either of those things out, here it is. CMurdock ( talk) 23:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Village [2] | Transliteration [3] | Translation [4] |
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Míh-tutta-hangkusch | wį́ʔti ų́tahąkt | "East Village" |
Míhti-ochtä | wį́ʔtioxté | "Large Village" |
Míhti-cháde | wį́ʔtixá·re | "Spread Out Village" |
Míhti-sangasch | wį́ʔtisą́kas | "Small Village" |
Ruhptáre | rúpta·re | "Ruptare" |
Míhti-ahgi | wį́ʔtiá·ki | "Above Village" |
Macháhhä | wąxá·xa | "Spread Out Place" |
Históppä | istópe | "Tattoo" |
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А разве последние 100% не умерла в 1975 году? говорят что они прибыли на теперешнюю родину из восточных районов, где то между 10-13 веками 46.211.74.170 ( talk) 14:42, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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"The body would be placed with the head towards the northwest and feet to the southwest." This isn't possible, unless the body is bent. Is it supposed to be northwest and southeast?
Didn't the Pawnee indians have permanent villages too. Or are they part of the Mandan? Lazylizards8 00:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ganymead, you link simple years. I haven't changed it, because it's commonly done, but I think policy has changed (I'm for one would be glad of it), and you're not supposed to link them any more. User:Tony1 frequently makes this point on WP:FAC, and I haven't seen anybody contradict him. Simple years aren't affected by date preferences anyway, please see this Manual of Style page: "If the date doesn't contain a day and a month, then date preferences won't work, and square brackets won't respond to your readers' auto-formatting preferences. So unless there is a special relevance of the date link, there's no need to link it. This is an important point: simple years, decades and centuries should only be linked if there's a strong reason for doing so." Best, Bishonen | talk 22:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
A lot of them need to be cropped. The "pure" images could always be retrieved again from the U.S. government sites if that concerns anybody. I'll do it myself if no one objects or if someone else wants to do it.— jiy ( talk) 09:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I was so surprised to see an Indian Tribe article featured on the front page. I have seen so many on Wikipedia that need lots of work. This artical is fabulously organized, cited, and illustrated. Wonderful job to those of you who helped. -- Schwael 16:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ditto...Top notch article. Rlevse 17:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ditto. I was surprised to see not only an Indian tribe featured, but one with which I am relatively familiar, having grown up 30 miles from New Town. Good work, everyone who contributed to this article. Ari 19:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
A great job!!! have enjoyed watching the article progress the past few weeks. Best wishes. WBardwin 22:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
"After awakening, the warrior would sacrifice the little finger on both hands [...] those completing the ceremony twice would gain everlasting fame among the tribe." What sacrifice was made second time around? Rich Farmbrough 17:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Was the O-Kee-Pa/Okeepe information not accurate? The history of that article stub says it was redirected because the information already existed here, but now it is gone. -- nae'blis (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC) Ĥ
I was wondering if this part could be rewritten a little:
"the Mandan developed a religious ceremony to bring the buffalo closer to their villages. This ceremony, known as the Okipa, served not only to attract buffalo, but also to renew the world for another year."
My problem with it is that, as written, the sentences imply causation: that the religious ceremonies actually had the effects described. The statements should be prefaced with something like "The Mandans believed that ...". Or I am mistaken, and there is evidence that the religious ceremonies really did somehow attract buffalo? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.53.253.2 ( talk • contribs) 11:09, October 24, 2006 (UTC)
It's fine with me. I'll go ahead and add it. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 02:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The following statement has been removed until I can be sourced.
A note was left on the editor's talk page, but if anyone else can provide a source for this, please do. However, I would prefer to add this statement back myself as I think it should go elsewhere in the article. Thanks! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 15:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The committee investigating him said "Our investigation has found that there is some evidence in written accounts of Indian reactions in 1837 and in native oral traditions that would allow a reasonable scholar who relies heavily on such sources to reach Professor Churchill’s interpretation that smallpox was introduced deliberately among Mandan Indians near Fort Clark by the U.S. Army, using infected blankets.181 We therefore do not conclude that he fabricated his account." http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/download/WardChurchillReport.pdf T heir contention with him was over improper footnotes not making false accusations.
See, among others, Thomas Brown, Did the US Army distribute Small Pox Blankets to Indians? Fabrication and Falsification in Ward Churchill's Genocide Rhetoric, Ann Arbor MI, 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1210:3ECB:2600:9C5E:BD5:C9A3:7C0 ( talk) 14:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The claim of Viking influence and ancestry seems to have no substantial support. The only reference is a self-published text, which merely propounds the theory with many weasel words and hardly any evidence (Vikings in Newfoundland, some blue eyed Mandans, disputed runestone in Minnesota). Unless there is a better source, this paragraph is unjustified and should be removed. Kanguole ( talk) 09:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Gale, I think that combining both the Welsh and the Viking theories in one section should work - although I don't like the title I gave my initial combined effort. Both theories origininate in the 19th Century, although distanced in time. Both of them received a good measure of popular support during their time period and both are referenced today in more speculative publications, with the Viking theory currently more popular. I see no reason why Catlin can't be in two succeeding sections, so I moved his musings down a paragraph. Other ideas, anyone? WBardwin ( talk) 03:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Civil Engineer III made some copyedits today, some of which were useful but he also removed the Marshall T Newman reference and that article is key to any discussion of the European Mandan arguments (which he debunks). I reverted his changes and then put back a few of his edits manually.-- Dougweller ( talk) 16:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I've just order the classic study Mandan Social and Ceremonial Organization by Alfred W. Bowers & Gerard Baker which should help upgrade this article so it really deserves to be and gets back its status of Featured Article.-- Dougweller ( talk) 17:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if they used the Corn Beans & Squash together called the Three Sisters (of agriculture)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.176.242 ( talk) 01:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
It's appalling to think that about all the Native Americans whose cultures were destroyed but for the sake of cold historical fact I have to ask: 'Are the Mandans not extinct as a tribe?' Reference (for example): http://top-10-list.org/2011/11/04/top-10-native-tribes-who-faced-extinction/
This article gives the impression that they are, but is this accurate? 92.24.228.153 ( talk) 20:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mandan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Sets an example for other similar articles. Only misses infobox -- Phaedriel, 13 Feb 06 |
Last edited at 22:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 22:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I adapted this table from one given in the Handbook of North American Indians. I cannot figure out where in the article it would be best to place it, nor how to place a table alongside the text. If anybody can figure either of those things out, here it is. CMurdock ( talk) 23:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Village [2] | Transliteration [3] | Translation [4] |
---|---|---|
Míh-tutta-hangkusch | wį́ʔti ų́tahąkt | "East Village" |
Míhti-ochtä | wį́ʔtioxté | "Large Village" |
Míhti-cháde | wį́ʔtixá·re | "Spread Out Village" |
Míhti-sangasch | wį́ʔtisą́kas | "Small Village" |
Ruhptáre | rúpta·re | "Ruptare" |
Míhti-ahgi | wį́ʔtiá·ki | "Above Village" |
Macháhhä | wąxá·xa | "Spread Out Place" |
Históppä | istópe | "Tattoo" |
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А разве последние 100% не умерла в 1975 году? говорят что они прибыли на теперешнюю родину из восточных районов, где то между 10-13 веками 46.211.74.170 ( talk) 14:42, 13 October 2023 (UTC)