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On 18 March 2018, it was proposed that this article be moved from Manchester Small-Scale Experimental Machine to Manchester small-scale experimental machine. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I think the change in the opening sentence to "The Manchester Baby, also known since its replication project as the Small-Scale Experimental Machine (SSEM)," is not as clear and straight forward as the previous and now current version with I have reverted to. I think this change - the content of which was argued about for a long time should be discussed further if needed. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 09:25, 21 June 2022 (UTC))
Could someone more adept at editing please add this image of the replica:
/info/en/?search=File:SSEM_Replica.jpg
It shows the computer itself much more clearly than the image in the Infobox. It's from the Main page's "On This Day", 2022-06-21, so rights are OK. BMJ-pdx ( talk) 09:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Our background section said "The Colossus of 1943 was the first electronic computing device...". I've modified this to add the ABC computer as well as Colossus. The reason was the wording; the Colossus was partially programmable, while the ABC computer was not, but the ABC computer was definitely an electronic computing device, albeit one that solved a single algebraic problem. If the wording had included something about programmability then I'd happily leave ABC out, but as it stands, ABC is relevant (in any case it's quite a milestone in the history of electronic computing, so it's nice to include it). I hope this makes sense? I know claims of earliest in computing can get very emotive - I have no axe to grind here, and don't want to tread on anyone's toes. Elemimele ( talk) 11:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
One thing that became very clear in our previous discussions of the name "Small-Scale Experimental Machine" is that that name was coined by Burton as part of the replication project, adapted from the publication with " – a small-scale experimental machine" in its title, and had never been used in print before then, unlike "Baby" which was widely used (see User:Dicklyon/Baby#By date for details with dates). But my attempt to clarify that was reverted as contensious. Why? I think I was correctly softening an overly broad claim. Dicklyon ( talk) 17:53, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Reply/repeat on my view of reliable sources for SSEM as a name for this computer: -
But this is going round in circles... as things stand The Manchester Baby, also called the Small-Scale Experimental Machine (SSEM) seems to me fine as a lead. I got connected to this through having read our article on the SSEM and started the little page on Tootill. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 12:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC))
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On 18 March 2018, it was proposed that this article be moved from Manchester Small-Scale Experimental Machine to Manchester small-scale experimental machine. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I think the change in the opening sentence to "The Manchester Baby, also known since its replication project as the Small-Scale Experimental Machine (SSEM)," is not as clear and straight forward as the previous and now current version with I have reverted to. I think this change - the content of which was argued about for a long time should be discussed further if needed. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 09:25, 21 June 2022 (UTC))
Could someone more adept at editing please add this image of the replica:
/info/en/?search=File:SSEM_Replica.jpg
It shows the computer itself much more clearly than the image in the Infobox. It's from the Main page's "On This Day", 2022-06-21, so rights are OK. BMJ-pdx ( talk) 09:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Our background section said "The Colossus of 1943 was the first electronic computing device...". I've modified this to add the ABC computer as well as Colossus. The reason was the wording; the Colossus was partially programmable, while the ABC computer was not, but the ABC computer was definitely an electronic computing device, albeit one that solved a single algebraic problem. If the wording had included something about programmability then I'd happily leave ABC out, but as it stands, ABC is relevant (in any case it's quite a milestone in the history of electronic computing, so it's nice to include it). I hope this makes sense? I know claims of earliest in computing can get very emotive - I have no axe to grind here, and don't want to tread on anyone's toes. Elemimele ( talk) 11:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
One thing that became very clear in our previous discussions of the name "Small-Scale Experimental Machine" is that that name was coined by Burton as part of the replication project, adapted from the publication with " – a small-scale experimental machine" in its title, and had never been used in print before then, unlike "Baby" which was widely used (see User:Dicklyon/Baby#By date for details with dates). But my attempt to clarify that was reverted as contensious. Why? I think I was correctly softening an overly broad claim. Dicklyon ( talk) 17:53, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Reply/repeat on my view of reliable sources for SSEM as a name for this computer: -
But this is going round in circles... as things stand The Manchester Baby, also called the Small-Scale Experimental Machine (SSEM) seems to me fine as a lead. I got connected to this through having read our article on the SSEM and started the little page on Tootill. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 12:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC))