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It is a good photograph, but I don't believe it's good enough. There is nothing in that picture that says "Manchester" in the same way that would a photo of London containing the Parliament building or the London Eye. Or the Gherkin.
Though Manchester doesn't have an icon quite in the ball park of those mentioned above, it would be nice to be able to point at something and say it is definitively Manchester. I would suggest a picture that captures the Beetham Tower and it's weird blade-thing on top, with perhaps Castlefields in the foreground, if that's possible? Or perhaps the commercial area by the Triangle/revamped Arndale? That has the advantage of showing the old Printworks to emphasise Manchester's synthesis of old industry and modern commerce. It wouldn't be my first choice but it's 'got' to be better...
The main problem with the current picture is that it is taken at night. Could be anywhere. If somebody could provide a picture taken during the day that would be marvellous. I'll try and get out there soon but if somebody's got something ready then perhaps they could do it now?
Any reason not to change it?
Alun 4th June 2007 22:30 BST
I've just looked at the pictures on London's page. The "Night view over the eastern side of Central London" picture illustrates my point quite well. It is hard to know what you're looking at. The London article quite rightly includes it, but lower down and after the Palace of Westminster and the Gherkin/London-Eye skyline. Suggest shifting the current first picture down and replcing the headline picture. Suggestions for the main picture? I've detailed my preference above. There's also Piccadilly Gardens (not bad), Market Street (too generic?), The Portland Tower (ditto) or the circular Library/Town Hall (mmmmmm). Maybe if someone's got a picture of the scary Santa that appears climbing over the town hall every Christmas...;@)
R_Orange 17:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Any Image of Manchester is preferable to a black-out vision from Deansgate. That isn't Manchester? Was It Salford? Was It Warrington? That Beatham Tower pix stinks. We do have summer in Manchester. Pic is sufficient at mo plz no reverts. Mike33 06:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The main image has been changed. Personally I like it less than the skyline one I put up there, but I'm not going to change it without a vote. The three options I propose are: 1. Original night-time shot from the Beetham Tower 2. Central Manchester Skyline daytime shot 3. King Street daytime shot
My vote is for 2. unsigned by Alun
My vote is 2 Mike33 23:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
My first choice is 2, my second choice is 3. Number 1 is definitely no-no. -- Jotel 12:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently changed the top image on the article to one showing Beetham Tower and a canal barge moored which shows Manchester's industrial past with the canal and its new future with the skyscraper. Here are the pics that have been swapped around for the top image:
anybody have a strong preference? XAndreWx 02:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I Vote 2: I think this is the best of a mediocre bunch to be honest. Are their no budding photographers out there able to get a professional shot of Manchester's skyline? Jza84 20:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The mini-gallery of candidates 6 and 7 has now been removed; the images look to have been deleted for not meeting copyright requirements from hereon, any further candidates should be referred to as candidates 8, 9 etc. Reserve numbers 6 and 7 for the deleted images purely to avoid confusion. Not that I'm suggesting anmy more images be put forward. I think consensus is strong for our current headline image in the absence of any further discussion. Alun 19:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that its been established before that the 1991/2 British Council headquarters move to manchester was a de-centering and that both headquarters have different directorates.
This isn't actually the case, I reverted the first mention, (on a previous query (archive passim)) of metropolitan centres. but a reference was cited but not added to the page quote:
The UK is the base of our operations. From our headquarters in London and our metropolitan centres in Manchester, Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh [my bolding] and a network of regional offices across the UK, we engage with a broad range of partners to present the best of the UK in all its diversity to a worldwide audience.
Its actually on the first page not page 65 that the editor listed see[ Brish Council Annual report 2005-06] 261kb dont click if ur on dial-up. - you can google the words
and get the same result. Mike33 15:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In what sense is http://www.geocities.com/leedsguide/manchester the official city guide ? It seems to be an advertising site, with no reference to anything official.-- Jotel 15:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Apparently during WW II Manchester "was home to Avro (now BAE Systems) which built countless aircraft". Not exactly countless... But my real question is: the Avro article says Avro left Manchester for Woodford in 1920s. So shouldn't this sentence be deleted ? -- Jotel 15:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have failed this article at this time. The main reason for failing this article is the multiple citation needed tags. Sources should be added or the statements need to be removed. Go through the article and make sure to add inline citations to any statements that may be questioned about their verifiability. Once you have addressed this, please look over the rest of the criteria to see if the article is ready to be nominated again. If you disagree with this review, then you can seek an alternate opinion at Wikipedia:Good article review. If you have any questions about this review, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 08:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Statments needing citations listed below. Mr Stephen 15:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Done The Pennines and Rossendale Forest hills that surround the city to its east and north receive much snow in the winter and many roads leading out of the city can be closed due to snow ...
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Mr Stephen
17:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Done Manchester quickly grew into the most important industrial centre in the world, and, significantly, the first industrial society.
Done The docks functioned up until the 1970s, with their closure leading to a large increase in unemployment in the area.
Rejected During World War II Manchester was involved in heavy industrial construction. It was home to Avro (now BAE Systems) which built countless aircraft for the Royal Air Force (RAF), the most famous being the Avro Lancaster bomber.
Done The completion of the renovated Manchester Arndale in September 2006 allowed the centre to hold the title of Europe's largest city centre shopping mall.
Done (Spinningfields) Other buildings include a 110 metre tall office building, a new justice centre and new Crown Court, to be built over the next few years.
Done It has been estimated that around 35% of Manchester's caucasian/white community are of Irish ancestry.
Done Manchester's St Patrick's Day parade is one of the world's largest.
Done Greater Manchester has a higher percentage of the motorway network than any other county in the country. According to the Guinness Book of World Records, it has the most traffic lanes side by side (17), spread across several parallel carriageways (M61 at Linnyshaw Moss, Greater Manchester, close to the M60 interchange)
There is now no statements which are requiring sources. Can anybody else suggest what to do next to get the article back upto GA? XAndreWx 20:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Some Links
Machester was certainly the first industrial centre in the world, but most important???? surely not. Arndale centre was the biggest in 1979, but nothing can compete with the megoliths, that have shot up since. Irish community, would be very hard to say, it wasn't mentioned in the census and its probably more of a self descriptive term. Based on Irish imigration in the 1850s onwards it could well be true but very hard to source. Mike33 18:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
This link has been added [ 35pc of mancs are irish decent] If it is going to be a good article its just to blind - who says that? Mike33 20:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
We shouldn't actually laugh at vandalism, but the the vandalism - Manchester is often described as city of gay boys... Did amuse me. I think the guy got it right, everytime I see a letter from Pat Karney in the evening news, he tells us the same thing! Albeit interlaced with vibrant, 24 hour city, integrated public transport!, If he'd have found a quote from councillor Karney, we wouldn't have battered an eyelid! Mike33 20:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I went to the Swiss consulate and it was in Portland Towers on Portland Street, but it was 18months ago. I don't think it has been in Piccadilly Plaza for 5yrs. I google turns up both addresses plus a solicitors on Deansgate. User:Jotel cleaned up some of the consulates today, so it just reminded me. Mike33 20:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone agree that this section seems to contradict itself somewhat? First it says that Manchester's reputation as rainy is undeserved; later it explains how that reputation came about - although it doesn't rain large volumes, it rains quite often. Checking here Manchester's mean rainy days are far higher than the two cities to which it's compared in the article (New York and Rome), but similar to the other UK cities listed. This considered, it is my belief that whilst the reputation warrants a mention; assessing the validity of such isn't really feasible, considering the inexplicit nature of the term rainy. Adzz 23:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
within the paragraph talking about Granada TV it also mentions Top of the Pops. Anyone reading that paragraph from overseas would be mislead into thinking that Granada made Top Of the Pops. It should be placed within the BBC paragraph.
Also as you talk about BBC other studios, why not mention Granada's other studio's in Liverpool and Lancaster, as at the moment it some sem a bit biased towards the BBC.
Coronation Street is the Worlds longest running television soap (in terms of years).
ITV Children's presentation did come from Manchester when they closed Central Lenton Road studios in Nottingham. But the department has since been closed down and sold off.
BBC corrections --- A Question of Sport is made at the Granada Studious and not BBC studios (although it is a BBC programme) and is also made in London. Mastermind is also made at Granada studios whilst Real Story has now been axed.
No mention about BBC and ITV Granada back-staff working together under 360media banner so that programmes for each channel can be made at either BBC or Granada studios.
Transport - also mention that Manchester is split into 2 (North and South) as there are no cross city routes. South having a wel-maintained more stable network from a few bus companies whilst the north is more fragmented and many more indepedents due to the policies of the main operator and as such not as easy to travel around unlike the south of the city.(staying neautral of couorse!!)
Also mention that Manchester has the largest student population Europe.
Beatham Tower is the largest residential building in Western Europe.
Royal Bank of Scotland in Spinngfields in NOT their headquarters. It is their main English office and it is not just 1 building but 2. The one on Deansgate is called Spinningfields whilst they have another building behind (also within the Spinningfields area project) and that building is called 1 Hardman Boulevard. RBS main headquarters for the whole of the UK is in Gogoburn in Edinburgh. (I used to work for RBS!!) - reference note (29) only refers to the BRanch that is situated underneath the office block and it is actually a NatWest branch (although still part of the RBS group!)
Thanks
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It is a good photograph, but I don't believe it's good enough. There is nothing in that picture that says "Manchester" in the same way that would a photo of London containing the Parliament building or the London Eye. Or the Gherkin.
Though Manchester doesn't have an icon quite in the ball park of those mentioned above, it would be nice to be able to point at something and say it is definitively Manchester. I would suggest a picture that captures the Beetham Tower and it's weird blade-thing on top, with perhaps Castlefields in the foreground, if that's possible? Or perhaps the commercial area by the Triangle/revamped Arndale? That has the advantage of showing the old Printworks to emphasise Manchester's synthesis of old industry and modern commerce. It wouldn't be my first choice but it's 'got' to be better...
The main problem with the current picture is that it is taken at night. Could be anywhere. If somebody could provide a picture taken during the day that would be marvellous. I'll try and get out there soon but if somebody's got something ready then perhaps they could do it now?
Any reason not to change it?
Alun 4th June 2007 22:30 BST
I've just looked at the pictures on London's page. The "Night view over the eastern side of Central London" picture illustrates my point quite well. It is hard to know what you're looking at. The London article quite rightly includes it, but lower down and after the Palace of Westminster and the Gherkin/London-Eye skyline. Suggest shifting the current first picture down and replcing the headline picture. Suggestions for the main picture? I've detailed my preference above. There's also Piccadilly Gardens (not bad), Market Street (too generic?), The Portland Tower (ditto) or the circular Library/Town Hall (mmmmmm). Maybe if someone's got a picture of the scary Santa that appears climbing over the town hall every Christmas...;@)
R_Orange 17:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Any Image of Manchester is preferable to a black-out vision from Deansgate. That isn't Manchester? Was It Salford? Was It Warrington? That Beatham Tower pix stinks. We do have summer in Manchester. Pic is sufficient at mo plz no reverts. Mike33 06:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The main image has been changed. Personally I like it less than the skyline one I put up there, but I'm not going to change it without a vote. The three options I propose are: 1. Original night-time shot from the Beetham Tower 2. Central Manchester Skyline daytime shot 3. King Street daytime shot
My vote is for 2. unsigned by Alun
My vote is 2 Mike33 23:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
My first choice is 2, my second choice is 3. Number 1 is definitely no-no. -- Jotel 12:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently changed the top image on the article to one showing Beetham Tower and a canal barge moored which shows Manchester's industrial past with the canal and its new future with the skyscraper. Here are the pics that have been swapped around for the top image:
anybody have a strong preference? XAndreWx 02:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I Vote 2: I think this is the best of a mediocre bunch to be honest. Are their no budding photographers out there able to get a professional shot of Manchester's skyline? Jza84 20:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The mini-gallery of candidates 6 and 7 has now been removed; the images look to have been deleted for not meeting copyright requirements from hereon, any further candidates should be referred to as candidates 8, 9 etc. Reserve numbers 6 and 7 for the deleted images purely to avoid confusion. Not that I'm suggesting anmy more images be put forward. I think consensus is strong for our current headline image in the absence of any further discussion. Alun 19:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that its been established before that the 1991/2 British Council headquarters move to manchester was a de-centering and that both headquarters have different directorates.
This isn't actually the case, I reverted the first mention, (on a previous query (archive passim)) of metropolitan centres. but a reference was cited but not added to the page quote:
The UK is the base of our operations. From our headquarters in London and our metropolitan centres in Manchester, Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh [my bolding] and a network of regional offices across the UK, we engage with a broad range of partners to present the best of the UK in all its diversity to a worldwide audience.
Its actually on the first page not page 65 that the editor listed see[ Brish Council Annual report 2005-06] 261kb dont click if ur on dial-up. - you can google the words
and get the same result. Mike33 15:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In what sense is http://www.geocities.com/leedsguide/manchester the official city guide ? It seems to be an advertising site, with no reference to anything official.-- Jotel 15:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Apparently during WW II Manchester "was home to Avro (now BAE Systems) which built countless aircraft". Not exactly countless... But my real question is: the Avro article says Avro left Manchester for Woodford in 1920s. So shouldn't this sentence be deleted ? -- Jotel 15:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have failed this article at this time. The main reason for failing this article is the multiple citation needed tags. Sources should be added or the statements need to be removed. Go through the article and make sure to add inline citations to any statements that may be questioned about their verifiability. Once you have addressed this, please look over the rest of the criteria to see if the article is ready to be nominated again. If you disagree with this review, then you can seek an alternate opinion at Wikipedia:Good article review. If you have any questions about this review, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 08:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Statments needing citations listed below. Mr Stephen 15:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Done The Pennines and Rossendale Forest hills that surround the city to its east and north receive much snow in the winter and many roads leading out of the city can be closed due to snow ...
{{
cite book}}
: |chapter-url=
missing title (
help); Check date values in: |date=
(
help)Done Around the 13th century, Manchester grew heavily due to an influx of Flemish settlers who founded Manchester's new cotton industry ...
{{
cite book}}
: |pages=
has extra text (
help)
Mr Stephen
17:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Done Manchester quickly grew into the most important industrial centre in the world, and, significantly, the first industrial society.
Done The docks functioned up until the 1970s, with their closure leading to a large increase in unemployment in the area.
Rejected During World War II Manchester was involved in heavy industrial construction. It was home to Avro (now BAE Systems) which built countless aircraft for the Royal Air Force (RAF), the most famous being the Avro Lancaster bomber.
Done The completion of the renovated Manchester Arndale in September 2006 allowed the centre to hold the title of Europe's largest city centre shopping mall.
Done (Spinningfields) Other buildings include a 110 metre tall office building, a new justice centre and new Crown Court, to be built over the next few years.
Done It has been estimated that around 35% of Manchester's caucasian/white community are of Irish ancestry.
Done Manchester's St Patrick's Day parade is one of the world's largest.
Done Greater Manchester has a higher percentage of the motorway network than any other county in the country. According to the Guinness Book of World Records, it has the most traffic lanes side by side (17), spread across several parallel carriageways (M61 at Linnyshaw Moss, Greater Manchester, close to the M60 interchange)
There is now no statements which are requiring sources. Can anybody else suggest what to do next to get the article back upto GA? XAndreWx 20:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Some Links
Machester was certainly the first industrial centre in the world, but most important???? surely not. Arndale centre was the biggest in 1979, but nothing can compete with the megoliths, that have shot up since. Irish community, would be very hard to say, it wasn't mentioned in the census and its probably more of a self descriptive term. Based on Irish imigration in the 1850s onwards it could well be true but very hard to source. Mike33 18:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
This link has been added [ 35pc of mancs are irish decent] If it is going to be a good article its just to blind - who says that? Mike33 20:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
We shouldn't actually laugh at vandalism, but the the vandalism - Manchester is often described as city of gay boys... Did amuse me. I think the guy got it right, everytime I see a letter from Pat Karney in the evening news, he tells us the same thing! Albeit interlaced with vibrant, 24 hour city, integrated public transport!, If he'd have found a quote from councillor Karney, we wouldn't have battered an eyelid! Mike33 20:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I went to the Swiss consulate and it was in Portland Towers on Portland Street, but it was 18months ago. I don't think it has been in Piccadilly Plaza for 5yrs. I google turns up both addresses plus a solicitors on Deansgate. User:Jotel cleaned up some of the consulates today, so it just reminded me. Mike33 20:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone agree that this section seems to contradict itself somewhat? First it says that Manchester's reputation as rainy is undeserved; later it explains how that reputation came about - although it doesn't rain large volumes, it rains quite often. Checking here Manchester's mean rainy days are far higher than the two cities to which it's compared in the article (New York and Rome), but similar to the other UK cities listed. This considered, it is my belief that whilst the reputation warrants a mention; assessing the validity of such isn't really feasible, considering the inexplicit nature of the term rainy. Adzz 23:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
within the paragraph talking about Granada TV it also mentions Top of the Pops. Anyone reading that paragraph from overseas would be mislead into thinking that Granada made Top Of the Pops. It should be placed within the BBC paragraph.
Also as you talk about BBC other studios, why not mention Granada's other studio's in Liverpool and Lancaster, as at the moment it some sem a bit biased towards the BBC.
Coronation Street is the Worlds longest running television soap (in terms of years).
ITV Children's presentation did come from Manchester when they closed Central Lenton Road studios in Nottingham. But the department has since been closed down and sold off.
BBC corrections --- A Question of Sport is made at the Granada Studious and not BBC studios (although it is a BBC programme) and is also made in London. Mastermind is also made at Granada studios whilst Real Story has now been axed.
No mention about BBC and ITV Granada back-staff working together under 360media banner so that programmes for each channel can be made at either BBC or Granada studios.
Transport - also mention that Manchester is split into 2 (North and South) as there are no cross city routes. South having a wel-maintained more stable network from a few bus companies whilst the north is more fragmented and many more indepedents due to the policies of the main operator and as such not as easy to travel around unlike the south of the city.(staying neautral of couorse!!)
Also mention that Manchester has the largest student population Europe.
Beatham Tower is the largest residential building in Western Europe.
Royal Bank of Scotland in Spinngfields in NOT their headquarters. It is their main English office and it is not just 1 building but 2. The one on Deansgate is called Spinningfields whilst they have another building behind (also within the Spinningfields area project) and that building is called 1 Hardman Boulevard. RBS main headquarters for the whole of the UK is in Gogoburn in Edinburgh. (I used to work for RBS!!) - reference note (29) only refers to the BRanch that is situated underneath the office block and it is actually a NatWest branch (although still part of the RBS group!)
Thanks