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@ DragonofBatley: Re your revert of my recent edit.
"Manchester is a city in Greater Manchester" sounds awkward, stubborn, and forced, as though a pedantic author was so committed to the notion that cities be introduced with "City is a city in County" that they felt compelled to pretend that "Greater Manchester" was simply a random name for a county that said nothing about its relationship to the city. But "Manchester is a city in Greater Manchester" is not analogous to "Manchester is a city in Randomshire", and aside from being awkward, the existing formulation is both weird (cf. WP:ASTONISH) and offers the reader no information about Manchester's location: 'Manchester is located within its own urban sprawl'. Great.
You assert that analogous cases are handled similarly, but the article on London introduces what you might frame as 'the administrative and ceremonial county in which it is located' in these terms: "Since the 19th century, the name 'London' has also referred to the metropolis around this core, historically split between the counties of Middlesex, Essex, Surrey, Kent, and Hertfordshire, which since 1965 has largely comprised Greater London". Is there any reason why something like "The urban sprawl around Manchester has subsumed several towns which were historically in south-east Lancashire and north-east Cheshire" would not be appropriate?
Manchester differs from, say, Birmingham or Newcastle upon Tyne in that the wider metropolitan county does not have its own name like " West Midlands" or " Tyne and Wear". The adjective 'Greater' is frequently applied to other cities in a descriptive sense (e.g. Greater Bristol or Greater Exeter); it is obvious that "Greater Manchester"—like "Greater London"—is a descriptive name that identifies the county as the wider urban sprawl of its core settlement. Kilopylae ( talk) 19:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
The G slur is used in the "Ethnicity of Manchester" chart. i dont think it's appropriate to just have an uncensored slur when not necessary and that it should be censored (g*psy) or removed. 185.152.10.98 ( talk) 02:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
HS2 is now cancelled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.31.251 ( talk) 07:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi article watchlisters, I am reviewing this article as part of WP:URFA/2020, an initiative to review older articles to ensure that they still meet the featured article criteria. I have a couple of concerns with this article that I have noted below:
Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns? If not, I might nominate this article for WP:FAR. Z1720 ( talk) 15:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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@ DragonofBatley: Re your revert of my recent edit.
"Manchester is a city in Greater Manchester" sounds awkward, stubborn, and forced, as though a pedantic author was so committed to the notion that cities be introduced with "City is a city in County" that they felt compelled to pretend that "Greater Manchester" was simply a random name for a county that said nothing about its relationship to the city. But "Manchester is a city in Greater Manchester" is not analogous to "Manchester is a city in Randomshire", and aside from being awkward, the existing formulation is both weird (cf. WP:ASTONISH) and offers the reader no information about Manchester's location: 'Manchester is located within its own urban sprawl'. Great.
You assert that analogous cases are handled similarly, but the article on London introduces what you might frame as 'the administrative and ceremonial county in which it is located' in these terms: "Since the 19th century, the name 'London' has also referred to the metropolis around this core, historically split between the counties of Middlesex, Essex, Surrey, Kent, and Hertfordshire, which since 1965 has largely comprised Greater London". Is there any reason why something like "The urban sprawl around Manchester has subsumed several towns which were historically in south-east Lancashire and north-east Cheshire" would not be appropriate?
Manchester differs from, say, Birmingham or Newcastle upon Tyne in that the wider metropolitan county does not have its own name like " West Midlands" or " Tyne and Wear". The adjective 'Greater' is frequently applied to other cities in a descriptive sense (e.g. Greater Bristol or Greater Exeter); it is obvious that "Greater Manchester"—like "Greater London"—is a descriptive name that identifies the county as the wider urban sprawl of its core settlement. Kilopylae ( talk) 19:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
The G slur is used in the "Ethnicity of Manchester" chart. i dont think it's appropriate to just have an uncensored slur when not necessary and that it should be censored (g*psy) or removed. 185.152.10.98 ( talk) 02:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
HS2 is now cancelled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.31.251 ( talk) 07:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi article watchlisters, I am reviewing this article as part of WP:URFA/2020, an initiative to review older articles to ensure that they still meet the featured article criteria. I have a couple of concerns with this article that I have noted below:
Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns? If not, I might nominate this article for WP:FAR. Z1720 ( talk) 15:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)