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I'd like to propose this article be moved, contrary to fauna convention to Parachromis managuensis. There are plenty of different common names and their usage various both within and between countries. This makes the current title ( Managuense cichlid) ambiguous. Thoughts? MidgleyDJ 19:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The intro paragraph states they can get up to two feet in length, while another paragraph later on says males can get up to 13 inches and females slightly smaller. Could a someone with a better knowledge of aquatics and sources for aquatics info correct this? Males reach a length of 15-18 inches, females 10-12 inches
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 21:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Parachromis managuensis → Jaguar cichlid – So, the last time a name change for this article has been discussed was back in 2007 (see "article title" up above). This article used to be named "Managuense cichlid," but was later changed to the Latin name and current title, Parachromis managuensis, on the basis that it was the least ambiguous epithet for the species. Which is true. Latin names are almost always less ambiguous than vernacular names, but they're almost never as concise or recognizable - for the same reason we have articles named Great white shark and Largemouth bass rather than Carcharodon carcharias and Micropterus salmoides, I'm going to propose that this article be renamed to Jaguar cichlid.
For the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and naturalness, I present the Google Search results for the names listed in the article's lede (in order from most hits to least):
"Jaguar cichlid" is more than twice as prevalent on the web as the Latin name. It's nearly a full order of magnitude more prevalent than the next most popular vernacular name, "jaguar guapote" - and if that's where we draw the line, then names like "managuense cichlid" and "guapote tigre" aren't even in the running. This is supported by Google Trends, which shows that on average, "jaguar cichlid" is searched for 47 times more than "parachromis managuensis" and "managuense cichlid" worldwide. We should name the article accordingly. Simple as. Kodiak Blackjack ( talk) • ( contribs) 00:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Cremastra ( talk) 22:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
many vernacular names exist
The number of results reported by Google is not reliable ( Wikipedia:Search engine test#Google_distinct page count issues).
Ngrams shows both "Parachromis managuensis" and "Jaguar guapote" generally more common than "Jaguar cichlid", and the former scientific name "Cichlasoma managuense" much more common any of the others.
The sites I find when searching for "Jaguar guapote" are generally better sources for information about the fish than sites that are returned when searching for "Jaguar cichlid"
and I haven't found any sites that are good sources of information about the fish that fail to mention the scientific name.
there are admittedly many pitfalls with a WP:GOOGLETEST, one of which is that less reliable sources are picked up with more reliable sources. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 13:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for reasons already covered above. There are too many other vernacular names (see Fishbase for a more complete list). The scientific name is unambiguous and redirects can cover alternative searches, — Jts1882 | talk 06:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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I'd like to propose this article be moved, contrary to fauna convention to Parachromis managuensis. There are plenty of different common names and their usage various both within and between countries. This makes the current title ( Managuense cichlid) ambiguous. Thoughts? MidgleyDJ 19:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The intro paragraph states they can get up to two feet in length, while another paragraph later on says males can get up to 13 inches and females slightly smaller. Could a someone with a better knowledge of aquatics and sources for aquatics info correct this? Males reach a length of 15-18 inches, females 10-12 inches
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 21:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Parachromis managuensis → Jaguar cichlid – So, the last time a name change for this article has been discussed was back in 2007 (see "article title" up above). This article used to be named "Managuense cichlid," but was later changed to the Latin name and current title, Parachromis managuensis, on the basis that it was the least ambiguous epithet for the species. Which is true. Latin names are almost always less ambiguous than vernacular names, but they're almost never as concise or recognizable - for the same reason we have articles named Great white shark and Largemouth bass rather than Carcharodon carcharias and Micropterus salmoides, I'm going to propose that this article be renamed to Jaguar cichlid.
For the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and naturalness, I present the Google Search results for the names listed in the article's lede (in order from most hits to least):
"Jaguar cichlid" is more than twice as prevalent on the web as the Latin name. It's nearly a full order of magnitude more prevalent than the next most popular vernacular name, "jaguar guapote" - and if that's where we draw the line, then names like "managuense cichlid" and "guapote tigre" aren't even in the running. This is supported by Google Trends, which shows that on average, "jaguar cichlid" is searched for 47 times more than "parachromis managuensis" and "managuense cichlid" worldwide. We should name the article accordingly. Simple as. Kodiak Blackjack ( talk) • ( contribs) 00:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Cremastra ( talk) 22:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 16:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
many vernacular names exist
The number of results reported by Google is not reliable ( Wikipedia:Search engine test#Google_distinct page count issues).
Ngrams shows both "Parachromis managuensis" and "Jaguar guapote" generally more common than "Jaguar cichlid", and the former scientific name "Cichlasoma managuense" much more common any of the others.
The sites I find when searching for "Jaguar guapote" are generally better sources for information about the fish than sites that are returned when searching for "Jaguar cichlid"
and I haven't found any sites that are good sources of information about the fish that fail to mention the scientific name.
there are admittedly many pitfalls with a WP:GOOGLETEST, one of which is that less reliable sources are picked up with more reliable sources. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 13:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for reasons already covered above. There are too many other vernacular names (see Fishbase for a more complete list). The scientific name is unambiguous and redirects can cover alternative searches, — Jts1882 | talk 06:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)