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On what basis are we stating that "bainisteoir" is more commonly used in English than "manager"? The user who unilaterally made this move (without, I would note, any discussion on the talk page or the dozens of other pages now under revision following this move) equated the term to "Taoiseach". This is not an apples-for-apples comparison by a long stretch. Suggesting that "bainisteoir" is the only (or even the most common-used) term in English is misleading. At best. I would note, for example, that the GAA (only today) used the term "manager" in its own releases about a related subject. Looking at WP:GOOGLETEST results (the method suggested by the related policy/criteria), the use is perhaps 80:20, or even 70:30, in favour of the English term. Even if it were 60:40, or even 50:50, the WP:DIVIDEDUSE principle would expect that we use the "least surprising" term. And, frankly, given that a non-Irish reader will find the term surprising (bordering on impenetrable), I think this move ill-advised and discussion necessary. Certainly before someone goes on a crusade (as seems to be the case) altering each of many hundreds of articles. To reflect a term which, frankly, doesn't seem to meet the expected WP:USEENGLISH criteria. Thoughts? Guliolopez ( talk) 00:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Per WP:LISTCRITERIA, selection/inclusion criteria for lists should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by sources. The current list of "noted managers" doesn't meet this expectation (in that is unclear what notability criteria has been used, and - even if it were clear - provides no sources to support). For example, why is Offaly's Eugene McGee included? Perhaps the subject should have an article - but doesn't at present. Typically the minimum criteria for a notability-based list is that the member has an article. A "no red links" criteria. Or, for example, why are managers with a limited number of titles/etc listed along side those with many. The inclusion criteria in List of Gaelic football managers seems to be length of tenure. And the List of All-Ireland Senior Football Championship winning managers seems to be number of All-Irelands. Unless other notability can be defined, I'm inclined to change what we have here to a prose-based summary (of the most prolific, most long-lived or most-travelled managers), and link to the "lists of hurling/football managers by wins/tenure" for the rest. Otherwise this becomes a CFORK with unclear/undefined/unsupported inclusion criteria... Guliolopez ( talk) 23:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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On what basis are we stating that "bainisteoir" is more commonly used in English than "manager"? The user who unilaterally made this move (without, I would note, any discussion on the talk page or the dozens of other pages now under revision following this move) equated the term to "Taoiseach". This is not an apples-for-apples comparison by a long stretch. Suggesting that "bainisteoir" is the only (or even the most common-used) term in English is misleading. At best. I would note, for example, that the GAA (only today) used the term "manager" in its own releases about a related subject. Looking at WP:GOOGLETEST results (the method suggested by the related policy/criteria), the use is perhaps 80:20, or even 70:30, in favour of the English term. Even if it were 60:40, or even 50:50, the WP:DIVIDEDUSE principle would expect that we use the "least surprising" term. And, frankly, given that a non-Irish reader will find the term surprising (bordering on impenetrable), I think this move ill-advised and discussion necessary. Certainly before someone goes on a crusade (as seems to be the case) altering each of many hundreds of articles. To reflect a term which, frankly, doesn't seem to meet the expected WP:USEENGLISH criteria. Thoughts? Guliolopez ( talk) 00:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Per WP:LISTCRITERIA, selection/inclusion criteria for lists should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by sources. The current list of "noted managers" doesn't meet this expectation (in that is unclear what notability criteria has been used, and - even if it were clear - provides no sources to support). For example, why is Offaly's Eugene McGee included? Perhaps the subject should have an article - but doesn't at present. Typically the minimum criteria for a notability-based list is that the member has an article. A "no red links" criteria. Or, for example, why are managers with a limited number of titles/etc listed along side those with many. The inclusion criteria in List of Gaelic football managers seems to be length of tenure. And the List of All-Ireland Senior Football Championship winning managers seems to be number of All-Irelands. Unless other notability can be defined, I'm inclined to change what we have here to a prose-based summary (of the most prolific, most long-lived or most-travelled managers), and link to the "lists of hurling/football managers by wins/tenure" for the rest. Otherwise this becomes a CFORK with unclear/undefined/unsupported inclusion criteria... Guliolopez ( talk) 23:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)