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i am looking for the 6 information systems used in an organization, each system has it own function and who uses the system 21:41, 17 June 2004 202.78.97.12
Don't you mean George Odiorne? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.68.103 ( talk) 19:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC) Probably should add a section on this man from Univ of Michigan who reknowned on the subject of MBO.-- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 21:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a lot of problems with the first sentence. "....employees' unethical behaviour of distorting the system...", uhh....this is not NPOV and poorly written to boot. If you know anything about management, you know that most organizational problems can be traced back to management. There are fewer bad employees than bad managers. So that statement should be fewed with a healthy skepticism. My experience has proven to me that managers are more likely to distort the system because they don't understand the underlying principles. Many try to implement buzz words and jargon they hear in seminars, without really learning the underlying principles and intended application. Drucker freely admits that his principles are primarily focused on businesses (for profit organizations). That doesn't mean they won't work for other organizations, but they must be viewed in context or modified. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 18:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Despite slight changes from the above, this section still has the same basic issues, most notably POV and poor writing. It's funny how these issues can persist for years, but I guess I don't have the time or will to fix it either. Adventuresunknown ( talk) 20:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
1. Siegel, Alan. "Management by objective: Guidelines for managerial decision making". Washington civil service commission. 1978. 2. Nouiri, Issam. "Objective optimization tool for integrated groundwater management." Water Resource Management. Nov 2015. vol. 29 issue 14. 3. Mio, Chiara. " Management by objectives and corporate social responsibility disclosure." Accounting, Auditing, and Accountability Journal. 2015. vol. 28 issue 3. 4. Hu, C. " Objective management in tobacco enterprises based on dynamic means." State tobacco monopoly bureau and china tobacco society. 2015. 21(3): 130-133. 5. Thomson, Thomas. "management by objective." The Pfeiffer Library. Jossey-bass/Pfeiffer, 1998. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesvonrosenberg5 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I believe these sources would add to the validity and explanation of the page.
Dessler, Gary. (2013). A Framework for Human Resource Management. Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Prentice Hall. 166-167.
Kinicki, A., & Williams, B. K. (2013) Management: A practical introduction. (6th ed.) 143-145.
Siegel, A. (1978). Management by objectives : Guidelines for managerial decision making. Washington : Civil Service Commission, Personnel Research and Development Center, Organizational Psychology Section, 1978.
VanStelle, S. E., Vicars, S. M., Harr, V., Miguel, C. F., Koerber, J. L., Kazbour, R., & Austin, J. (2012). The Publication History of the "Journal of Organizational Behavior Management": An Objective Review and Analysis--1998-2009. Journal Of Organizational Behavior Management, 32(2), 93-123.
Xihuai, L. (2014). On Application of MBO in College.
Tarapohlmeyer ( talk) 05:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Drucker, Peter (1954). Management by Objectives, 2015. Web. 9 March 2016. Hindle, Tim. Guide to Management Ideas and Gurus. New York: Bloomberg Press, 2008. Print Odiorne, G.S., Management by Objectives: a System of Managerial Leadership, Pitman Publishing, 1965. Raj, Ritu. The Concept of Management By Objectives. Ritu,Inc. Rituinc.com. 12 October 2012. Web. 12 March 2016. Marlow, Edward and Richard Schilhavy. Expectation Issues in Management by Objectives Programs. Industrial Management: Vol. 33, No.1. 2004. Abbysinc ( talk) 19:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Drucker, P., “The Practice of Management”, Harper, New York, 1954; Heinemann, London, 1955; revised edn, Butterworth-Heinemann, 2007 Levinson, H., “Management by Whose Objectives?”, Harvard Business Review, July–August 1970 Odiorne, G.S., “Management by Objectives: a System of Managerial Leadership”, Pitman Publishing, 1965 Deming, W. Edwards, "Out of the Crisis", The MIT Press, 1994, ISBN 0-262-54116-5 Deming’s 14 Points and Quality Project Leadership J. Alex Sherrer, March 3, 2010 - Ryan Madden
Mn1070 ( talk) 18:58, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Hap22 ( talk) 04:20, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
The lead section (introduction) has a well overview of all the components needed to have a basic understanding of the topic at hand. The key points seem to be the focus on objectives and the correlation it has with management. It does have a sufficient amount of information needed to understand the material and topic. There are also plenty of references, however I think the citation of the references needs to be altered. (SUCH AS CLICKABLE LINKS WITHIN THE TEXT).
A majority of the claims are supported from references with the exception of a few parts, however it is enough to where it is reliable. The language is precise however there are some grammatical errors. It remains unbiased throughout the page and treats the page as an informational page.
As I stated before, the entry is written well. It just has a few grammatical errors. It is for a broad audience and is not targeted to a specific audience. The article was clear and allowed the audience to have a clear understanding.
The use of subheadings and headings were used effectively in giving the audience a basic understanding of what that section of the article would cover.
As I stated before, there needs to be more clickable links that lead to more information. The formatting was great, there is lack of illustrations which is understandable however.
I like that the group can be seen through the history making edits throughout the time period we were given. To the article, you can see them adding clickable links which is what I had been suggesting throughout this article evaluation. Two improvements I would suggest would just be fixing the minor errors (grammatical) and more links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejr43 ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Concept of management objective 223.238.98.144 ( talk) 15:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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i am looking for the 6 information systems used in an organization, each system has it own function and who uses the system 21:41, 17 June 2004 202.78.97.12
Don't you mean George Odiorne? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.68.103 ( talk) 19:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC) Probably should add a section on this man from Univ of Michigan who reknowned on the subject of MBO.-- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 21:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a lot of problems with the first sentence. "....employees' unethical behaviour of distorting the system...", uhh....this is not NPOV and poorly written to boot. If you know anything about management, you know that most organizational problems can be traced back to management. There are fewer bad employees than bad managers. So that statement should be fewed with a healthy skepticism. My experience has proven to me that managers are more likely to distort the system because they don't understand the underlying principles. Many try to implement buzz words and jargon they hear in seminars, without really learning the underlying principles and intended application. Drucker freely admits that his principles are primarily focused on businesses (for profit organizations). That doesn't mean they won't work for other organizations, but they must be viewed in context or modified. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 18:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Despite slight changes from the above, this section still has the same basic issues, most notably POV and poor writing. It's funny how these issues can persist for years, but I guess I don't have the time or will to fix it either. Adventuresunknown ( talk) 20:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
1. Siegel, Alan. "Management by objective: Guidelines for managerial decision making". Washington civil service commission. 1978. 2. Nouiri, Issam. "Objective optimization tool for integrated groundwater management." Water Resource Management. Nov 2015. vol. 29 issue 14. 3. Mio, Chiara. " Management by objectives and corporate social responsibility disclosure." Accounting, Auditing, and Accountability Journal. 2015. vol. 28 issue 3. 4. Hu, C. " Objective management in tobacco enterprises based on dynamic means." State tobacco monopoly bureau and china tobacco society. 2015. 21(3): 130-133. 5. Thomson, Thomas. "management by objective." The Pfeiffer Library. Jossey-bass/Pfeiffer, 1998. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesvonrosenberg5 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I believe these sources would add to the validity and explanation of the page.
Dessler, Gary. (2013). A Framework for Human Resource Management. Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Prentice Hall. 166-167.
Kinicki, A., & Williams, B. K. (2013) Management: A practical introduction. (6th ed.) 143-145.
Siegel, A. (1978). Management by objectives : Guidelines for managerial decision making. Washington : Civil Service Commission, Personnel Research and Development Center, Organizational Psychology Section, 1978.
VanStelle, S. E., Vicars, S. M., Harr, V., Miguel, C. F., Koerber, J. L., Kazbour, R., & Austin, J. (2012). The Publication History of the "Journal of Organizational Behavior Management": An Objective Review and Analysis--1998-2009. Journal Of Organizational Behavior Management, 32(2), 93-123.
Xihuai, L. (2014). On Application of MBO in College.
Tarapohlmeyer ( talk) 05:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Drucker, Peter (1954). Management by Objectives, 2015. Web. 9 March 2016. Hindle, Tim. Guide to Management Ideas and Gurus. New York: Bloomberg Press, 2008. Print Odiorne, G.S., Management by Objectives: a System of Managerial Leadership, Pitman Publishing, 1965. Raj, Ritu. The Concept of Management By Objectives. Ritu,Inc. Rituinc.com. 12 October 2012. Web. 12 March 2016. Marlow, Edward and Richard Schilhavy. Expectation Issues in Management by Objectives Programs. Industrial Management: Vol. 33, No.1. 2004. Abbysinc ( talk) 19:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Drucker, P., “The Practice of Management”, Harper, New York, 1954; Heinemann, London, 1955; revised edn, Butterworth-Heinemann, 2007 Levinson, H., “Management by Whose Objectives?”, Harvard Business Review, July–August 1970 Odiorne, G.S., “Management by Objectives: a System of Managerial Leadership”, Pitman Publishing, 1965 Deming, W. Edwards, "Out of the Crisis", The MIT Press, 1994, ISBN 0-262-54116-5 Deming’s 14 Points and Quality Project Leadership J. Alex Sherrer, March 3, 2010 - Ryan Madden
Mn1070 ( talk) 18:58, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Hap22 ( talk) 04:20, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
The lead section (introduction) has a well overview of all the components needed to have a basic understanding of the topic at hand. The key points seem to be the focus on objectives and the correlation it has with management. It does have a sufficient amount of information needed to understand the material and topic. There are also plenty of references, however I think the citation of the references needs to be altered. (SUCH AS CLICKABLE LINKS WITHIN THE TEXT).
A majority of the claims are supported from references with the exception of a few parts, however it is enough to where it is reliable. The language is precise however there are some grammatical errors. It remains unbiased throughout the page and treats the page as an informational page.
As I stated before, the entry is written well. It just has a few grammatical errors. It is for a broad audience and is not targeted to a specific audience. The article was clear and allowed the audience to have a clear understanding.
The use of subheadings and headings were used effectively in giving the audience a basic understanding of what that section of the article would cover.
As I stated before, there needs to be more clickable links that lead to more information. The formatting was great, there is lack of illustrations which is understandable however.
I like that the group can be seen through the history making edits throughout the time period we were given. To the article, you can see them adding clickable links which is what I had been suggesting throughout this article evaluation. Two improvements I would suggest would just be fixing the minor errors (grammatical) and more links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejr43 ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Concept of management objective 223.238.98.144 ( talk) 15:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)