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If Joyce McKinney was a "former Miss Wyoming", how is it that she is not listed on the Miss Wyoming page? Perhaps she was just a contestant. Giles Martin ( talk) 00:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
It now says "Miss Wyoming World", but the List of United States representatives at Miss World doesn't mention state-level contests... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Did the police ever corroborate Anderson's story? Were chains found in the place where he was reported to be held? If so, was his blood on the manacles? What fingerprints were found? Did the scene correspond with his description? Did either party bear bruises or abrasions, especially where chains and manacles would have bitten into the skin of a struggling person? Was Anderson traumatically sodomized? Surely the police found something or McKinney wouldn't have been charged and then out on bail. What were the charges, anyhow? How much bail did she have to pay?
"Along with Keith May, her co-conspirator..." - Was this person a co-conspirator in the reported abduction and battery of Anderson or merely the flight from justice?
"...the English court sentenced McKinney in absentia to a year in jail." - She never returned to face this conviction? Is she still considered a fugitive in England? Was there ever a civil suit?
There are a lot of gaps in this article. Thank you, Wordreader ( talk) 06:04, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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(For her part, McKinney says the various assortment of seemingly-suspicious items were consesual S&M props.)Anderson claimed that he'd been kidnapped at gunpoint (albeit a replica), forced to have sex while chained to the bed (and twice more unchained), and that, despite being six foot four and 240 lbs. (110 kg), had never resisted. "I had made a plan for my release," Anderson testified, "but it wasn't through running away. I was going to cooperate." Even after his ordeal, when McKinney and May drove him back to London and a long lunch in Trafalgar Square, he still cooperated. [...] In July, 1979, the FBI finally caught up with the couple in Asheville, North Carolina, where they got suspended sentences for falsifying passports but were not considered liable for extradition. In 1984, McKinney surfaced again, when she was arrested outside the office of Kirk Anderson in Salt Lake City where he was living. Police found rope and handcuffs in her car." [She also had notes on Anderson’s movements.]
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Nonconsensual "sex in chains" (for example not involving a dominatrix, etc.) is a misnomer and such human sexuality while being abused (see e.g
Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Prisoner_rape, etc.) is better specified as sex abuse.--
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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:23, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Mormon sex in chains case →
Manacled Mormon case – A case involving a conviction where human sexuality between two partners was engaged in without one of those partner's consent ought never be referred to simply as "sex." (Surely the first word in the 2005 Associated Press story "Sex used to break Muslim prisoners, book says" is a misnomer.) McKinney, its perpetrator, was convicted in absentia for her forced copulation upon her male victim, who successfully had been aroused beforehand orally; at the time, it was impossible in the U.K., legally speaking, for a woman to rape a man, so she was only convicted of perpetrating indecent assault upon him. This is not sex, absent a qualifier. The title could avoid being offensive to victims by changing sex to sex abuse: "Mormon missionary in chains sex abuse case," "Manacled Mormon missionary sex abuse case," etc.; or the hyper-correct indecent assault could be substituted for the phrase sex abuse in the foregoing. By the way, "Mormon in chains sex case" and other "in-chains" formulations have seen much-less-frequent use in citations than the more predominant "manacled Mormon" variation.--
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"all parties agree that, at one stage, the Mormon was tied to a bed while McKinney repeatedly had sex with him in an effort to become impregnated. McKinney has always maintained that the bondage was a game designed to ease Anderson's guilt about sexual enjoyment. Anderson insisted that he was effectively raped. After three days he was allowed to leave." 2011 The Independent (originally in The Observer)
"there wasn't anyone in the country who gave a toss about the alleged victim of the alleged crime: the prevailing opinion then - as it would probably be now - was that he must have enjoyed it. Curious double-standards" - Trash Fiction (U.K. - undated)
Although '...in chains' & 'Manacled Mormon are both '70s U.K. tabloid headlines, it has been but a small sprinkling of web-platform published sources that reference the former wheteas more prestigious publications almost uniformly prefer the latter (see inside collapsed box below).
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-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 04:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
A previous version of this article claimed that the Joyce McKinney who is the subject of this article was arrested for a hit and run incident. The source certainly concerns a white woman named Joyce Bernann McKinney, of about the same age as the subject of this article would be now, but it does not mention her infamous previous, so no reliable connection can be made. The only source I found that made the connection is clearly unreliable, stating that she'd kidnapped "her boyfriend" and held him captive for three years, rather than three days. Per WP:BLP poorly sourced statements about living persons must be removed. Hairy Dude ( talk) 23:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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If Joyce McKinney was a "former Miss Wyoming", how is it that she is not listed on the Miss Wyoming page? Perhaps she was just a contestant. Giles Martin ( talk) 00:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
It now says "Miss Wyoming World", but the List of United States representatives at Miss World doesn't mention state-level contests... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Did the police ever corroborate Anderson's story? Were chains found in the place where he was reported to be held? If so, was his blood on the manacles? What fingerprints were found? Did the scene correspond with his description? Did either party bear bruises or abrasions, especially where chains and manacles would have bitten into the skin of a struggling person? Was Anderson traumatically sodomized? Surely the police found something or McKinney wouldn't have been charged and then out on bail. What were the charges, anyhow? How much bail did she have to pay?
"Along with Keith May, her co-conspirator..." - Was this person a co-conspirator in the reported abduction and battery of Anderson or merely the flight from justice?
"...the English court sentenced McKinney in absentia to a year in jail." - She never returned to face this conviction? Is she still considered a fugitive in England? Was there ever a civil suit?
There are a lot of gaps in this article. Thank you, Wordreader ( talk) 06:04, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Updated responses
(For her part, McKinney says the various assortment of seemingly-suspicious items were consesual S&M props.)Anderson claimed that he'd been kidnapped at gunpoint (albeit a replica), forced to have sex while chained to the bed (and twice more unchained), and that, despite being six foot four and 240 lbs. (110 kg), had never resisted. "I had made a plan for my release," Anderson testified, "but it wasn't through running away. I was going to cooperate." Even after his ordeal, when McKinney and May drove him back to London and a long lunch in Trafalgar Square, he still cooperated. [...] In July, 1979, the FBI finally caught up with the couple in Asheville, North Carolina, where they got suspended sentences for falsifying passports but were not considered liable for extradition. In 1984, McKinney surfaced again, when she was arrested outside the office of Kirk Anderson in Salt Lake City where he was living. Police found rope and handcuffs in her car." [She also had notes on Anderson’s movements.]
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Nonconsensual "sex in chains" (for example not involving a dominatrix, etc.) is a misnomer and such human sexuality while being abused (see e.g
Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Prisoner_rape, etc.) is better specified as sex abuse.--
Hodgdon's secret garden (
talk) 00:14, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:23, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Mormon sex in chains case →
Manacled Mormon case – A case involving a conviction where human sexuality between two partners was engaged in without one of those partner's consent ought never be referred to simply as "sex." (Surely the first word in the 2005 Associated Press story "Sex used to break Muslim prisoners, book says" is a misnomer.) McKinney, its perpetrator, was convicted in absentia for her forced copulation upon her male victim, who successfully had been aroused beforehand orally; at the time, it was impossible in the U.K., legally speaking, for a woman to rape a man, so she was only convicted of perpetrating indecent assault upon him. This is not sex, absent a qualifier. The title could avoid being offensive to victims by changing sex to sex abuse: "Mormon missionary in chains sex abuse case," "Manacled Mormon missionary sex abuse case," etc.; or the hyper-correct indecent assault could be substituted for the phrase sex abuse in the foregoing. By the way, "Mormon in chains sex case" and other "in-chains" formulations have seen much-less-frequent use in citations than the more predominant "manacled Mormon" variation.--
Hodgdon's secret garden (
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"all parties agree that, at one stage, the Mormon was tied to a bed while McKinney repeatedly had sex with him in an effort to become impregnated. McKinney has always maintained that the bondage was a game designed to ease Anderson's guilt about sexual enjoyment. Anderson insisted that he was effectively raped. After three days he was allowed to leave." 2011 The Independent (originally in The Observer)
"there wasn't anyone in the country who gave a toss about the alleged victim of the alleged crime: the prevailing opinion then - as it would probably be now - was that he must have enjoyed it. Curious double-standards" - Trash Fiction (U.K. - undated)
Although '...in chains' & 'Manacled Mormon are both '70s U.K. tabloid headlines, it has been but a small sprinkling of web-platform published sources that reference the former wheteas more prestigious publications almost uniformly prefer the latter (see inside collapsed box below).
Extended content
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-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 04:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
A previous version of this article claimed that the Joyce McKinney who is the subject of this article was arrested for a hit and run incident. The source certainly concerns a white woman named Joyce Bernann McKinney, of about the same age as the subject of this article would be now, but it does not mention her infamous previous, so no reliable connection can be made. The only source I found that made the connection is clearly unreliable, stating that she'd kidnapped "her boyfriend" and held him captive for three years, rather than three days. Per WP:BLP poorly sourced statements about living persons must be removed. Hairy Dude ( talk) 23:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)