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A butt of wine (from the medieval French and Italian botte) is a large cask (or barrel) holding two hogsheads of wine. A hogshead varied in size but today is most commonly 63 U.S. gallons, so a butt is now usually 126 U.S. gallons or 108 imperial gallons.
This is true but why is it here? Rmhermen 10:03 Aug 20, 2002 (PDT)
Because the only reason any of us cares about Malmsey is because of George "Butt of Malmsey" Clarence who was allegedly drowned in one in the Tower of London, and scholars have wasted (dare I say it?) butts of ink on whether it's possible to drown in a butt of wine. --
isis
Okay, I understand now what the problem was, and I've provided the missing link. Thanks for pointing it out.
Does anyone know whether Malmsey (1) is a fortified wine now and/or (2) was a fortified wine then? Some of the sources I found called it a "light" and others a "strong" wine, and some of the current catalogs list it as a fortified wine, and some of the older materials refer to it as a sherry and others as a port. Help! Is there an oenophile in the house? --
isis
Oinofile to the rescue. I won't fill up this page with my response, but here is a link to it.> http://www.greekwinemakers.com/malvazia.html Nickcobb 23:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Added to article: ... of Laconia , or, as has been much more convincingly argued recently, the district of Malevizi, extending south west from the city of Candia on Crete).
The source is a conference article by Stylianos Alexiou, Professor Emeritus of the University of Crete, entitled "Malmsey, the wine of Malevizi" (in Greek). Alexiou presents convincing arguments as to why Monemvasia could not have been producing or exporting enough wine at the time Malmsey became popular in Europe, and how vintners came to Crete to take vines to Madeira. Details on the wine trade from Crete are mentioned in several travelogues since 1415. Lastly, the name "Malevizi" is much closer to "Malvasia" (alternative of Malmsey) than "Monemvasia".
I dont think this bit of the article is correct: "Presently, however, "Malvasia" generally refers to unfortified white table or desert wines produced from this grape". In Madeira most non-Madeira Wine Company (ie Portuguese rather than English) firms use "Malvasia" or "Malvazia" rather than Malmsey to designate their sweet fortified Malvasia wines. In particular, I have a bottle of 10 year old Malvasia from (the very reputable) Vinhos Barbeito in my store. These firms also tend to use the Portuguese "Bual" rather than "Boal" for the medium sweet wines. Sasha 09:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I moved the page from "Malmsey" to "Malvasia" and I've substantially rewritten this article, clarifying the distinction between white Malvasias and Malmsey Madeira, and generally rewriting and reorganizing the article for clarity. I also got rid of the illustration, which had nothing in particular to do with "Malvasia".
-- Peter G Werner 20:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Howdy, Peter! I was looking over at the Malvasia article and I'd love to have the opportunity to work with you on some areas that would be great to expand. I would say foremost, I think it would be helpful to break the article into sections-especially with a separation between "Malvasia the grape" and "Malvasia the wine". Underneath the "wine" section there could be sub sections with notes about the wine's history leading up into the modern day labeling practices. Let me know what you think! Agne 03:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Peter, This article has some more history re. Canary Islands Malmsey
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/food_and_drink/news/article1993588.ece
and a Shakespeare quote to boot. Perhaps it would be of some use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.189.135.170 ( talk) 13:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
Some of the content in the "Grape variety" section comes from the merged stub Malvasia di Schierano and Malvasia Nera. Agne Cheese/ Wine 22:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
can someone add something about the malvasia wine that is still currently made in Crete, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.84.226 ( talk) 09:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
The spelling malvazia can't be Italian. It would be good to specify in which language(s) the spelling malvazia is or was used, i.e. "also known in xxx as malvazia." Modern Portuguese seems to have malvasia, which makes sense in mapping spelling to Portuguese phonology, but malvazia seems to have been used in times gone by. 96.42.57.164 ( talk) 15:17, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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A butt of wine (from the medieval French and Italian botte) is a large cask (or barrel) holding two hogsheads of wine. A hogshead varied in size but today is most commonly 63 U.S. gallons, so a butt is now usually 126 U.S. gallons or 108 imperial gallons.
This is true but why is it here? Rmhermen 10:03 Aug 20, 2002 (PDT)
Because the only reason any of us cares about Malmsey is because of George "Butt of Malmsey" Clarence who was allegedly drowned in one in the Tower of London, and scholars have wasted (dare I say it?) butts of ink on whether it's possible to drown in a butt of wine. --
isis
Okay, I understand now what the problem was, and I've provided the missing link. Thanks for pointing it out.
Does anyone know whether Malmsey (1) is a fortified wine now and/or (2) was a fortified wine then? Some of the sources I found called it a "light" and others a "strong" wine, and some of the current catalogs list it as a fortified wine, and some of the older materials refer to it as a sherry and others as a port. Help! Is there an oenophile in the house? --
isis
Oinofile to the rescue. I won't fill up this page with my response, but here is a link to it.> http://www.greekwinemakers.com/malvazia.html Nickcobb 23:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Added to article: ... of Laconia , or, as has been much more convincingly argued recently, the district of Malevizi, extending south west from the city of Candia on Crete).
The source is a conference article by Stylianos Alexiou, Professor Emeritus of the University of Crete, entitled "Malmsey, the wine of Malevizi" (in Greek). Alexiou presents convincing arguments as to why Monemvasia could not have been producing or exporting enough wine at the time Malmsey became popular in Europe, and how vintners came to Crete to take vines to Madeira. Details on the wine trade from Crete are mentioned in several travelogues since 1415. Lastly, the name "Malevizi" is much closer to "Malvasia" (alternative of Malmsey) than "Monemvasia".
I dont think this bit of the article is correct: "Presently, however, "Malvasia" generally refers to unfortified white table or desert wines produced from this grape". In Madeira most non-Madeira Wine Company (ie Portuguese rather than English) firms use "Malvasia" or "Malvazia" rather than Malmsey to designate their sweet fortified Malvasia wines. In particular, I have a bottle of 10 year old Malvasia from (the very reputable) Vinhos Barbeito in my store. These firms also tend to use the Portuguese "Bual" rather than "Boal" for the medium sweet wines. Sasha 09:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I moved the page from "Malmsey" to "Malvasia" and I've substantially rewritten this article, clarifying the distinction between white Malvasias and Malmsey Madeira, and generally rewriting and reorganizing the article for clarity. I also got rid of the illustration, which had nothing in particular to do with "Malvasia".
-- Peter G Werner 20:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Howdy, Peter! I was looking over at the Malvasia article and I'd love to have the opportunity to work with you on some areas that would be great to expand. I would say foremost, I think it would be helpful to break the article into sections-especially with a separation between "Malvasia the grape" and "Malvasia the wine". Underneath the "wine" section there could be sub sections with notes about the wine's history leading up into the modern day labeling practices. Let me know what you think! Agne 03:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Peter, This article has some more history re. Canary Islands Malmsey
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/food_and_drink/news/article1993588.ece
and a Shakespeare quote to boot. Perhaps it would be of some use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.189.135.170 ( talk) 13:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
Some of the content in the "Grape variety" section comes from the merged stub Malvasia di Schierano and Malvasia Nera. Agne Cheese/ Wine 22:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
can someone add something about the malvasia wine that is still currently made in Crete, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.84.226 ( talk) 09:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
The spelling malvazia can't be Italian. It would be good to specify in which language(s) the spelling malvazia is or was used, i.e. "also known in xxx as malvazia." Modern Portuguese seems to have malvasia, which makes sense in mapping spelling to Portuguese phonology, but malvazia seems to have been used in times gone by. 96.42.57.164 ( talk) 15:17, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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