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this revert states that the old lead has to be restored because the page deals with the modern Maltese breed, Well, patently untrue, When I glanced at it, most of the page was dedicated to some ostensible 'history' regarding ancient writers' views on the 'Maltese dog'.
Worst still, the evidence from ancient sources was unbelievably slipshod, messy, ragged, with unreliable secondary sources, even including dated Latin books or generic commentaries on Mediterranean going back centuries. There was, indeed, very little on the modern Maltese breed, and the page seemed polemically designed to undercut the opinion that Malta had anything to do with the modern variety. That is a contradiction. Why assert that the page is about the modern breed, and get spill so much virtual ink on classical references to a 'Maltese lap-dog'.
As a neutral editor, the answer was clear. The term 'Maltese dog', whatever its ancient topological denotation, has absor5bed earlier editors, so one corrects that by using the best contemporary classical scholarship to put some order into the citational mess and errant opinionizing about Martial, Pliny, Strabo et al., the earlier version provided. So the lead must cover both bases: (a) the term 'Maltese dog' in classical sources and (b) the distinct modern breed.
What is annoying is that, I assume, editors familiar with the modern breed have added almost nothing of value, sparse details, on the modern breed, but are very much engaged in trying to twist the ancient evidence to undercut any possible association of the earlier species known by the same name as related. Well, of course they are not known to be related. But the term has a continuity between antiquity and modern times, and therefore the page must cover both, and clarify the confusion. Nishidani ( talk) 15:00, 6 June 2022 (UTC) Problems
The authoress wrote formerly 30 articles for the EB. Her link in profile says she is ‘Experienced Talent Development professional and certified executive coach with 12 years of experience working in the legal industry.’ The online EC is not a reliable source, esp. when the article happens to be written by a non-expert, who here asserts the probability of a highly contested view.'breed of toy dog named for the island of Malta, where it may have originated about 2,800 years ago.' Nishidani ( talk) 15:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
There's been a formal objection to my adoption of a particular citational style in my overhaul of this article. I didn't think this important at the time, since this objection, and revert justification, has only emerged once, i.e. here, in the 900 articles which I have rewritten or created with software format Neil developed. People have of course raised occasional objections, but not to my format choice. But since Nableezy, - a redoubtable formalist, and stickler for the fine reading of policy, has wigged me on precisely this point - will be tempted seize the opportunity finally to cap his wiki ambitions by exploiting this oversight to take me to AE for a permaban, thereby proving he can, as often, succeed where a cast of hundreds have failed for two decades, I'll take the wigging seriously and go through the standard procedure.:)
So I'd appreciate input on this. What are the objections to this format? Should we stick with the old page and its various conflicting templates or aspire to uniformity? etc. Nishidani ( talk) 07:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In the Characteristics, it explains on the weight and height, but believe there is misinformation? Here is what I mean Adult weight is usually 3–4 kg (7–9 lb). Bitches are about 20–23 cm (8–9 in) tall, dogs slightly more. It's the Bitches are about 20–23 cm (8–9 in) tall, dogs slightly more. What are "bitches" in this context? I refuse to believe this breed has an demonym being "bitchs". ( 120.17.191.141 ( talk) 06:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC))
Maltipoo's are a Maltese and Poodle mix that are highly intelligent. I am new to Wikipedia editing but I own a Maltipoo and am very excited to share my knowledge. Davnee09 ( talk) 00:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Nishidani why do you believe it's due/relevant to include this information in an article on a dog breed? It doesn't change anyone's understanding of the breed itself. Traumnovelle ( talk) 20:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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this revert states that the old lead has to be restored because the page deals with the modern Maltese breed, Well, patently untrue, When I glanced at it, most of the page was dedicated to some ostensible 'history' regarding ancient writers' views on the 'Maltese dog'.
Worst still, the evidence from ancient sources was unbelievably slipshod, messy, ragged, with unreliable secondary sources, even including dated Latin books or generic commentaries on Mediterranean going back centuries. There was, indeed, very little on the modern Maltese breed, and the page seemed polemically designed to undercut the opinion that Malta had anything to do with the modern variety. That is a contradiction. Why assert that the page is about the modern breed, and get spill so much virtual ink on classical references to a 'Maltese lap-dog'.
As a neutral editor, the answer was clear. The term 'Maltese dog', whatever its ancient topological denotation, has absor5bed earlier editors, so one corrects that by using the best contemporary classical scholarship to put some order into the citational mess and errant opinionizing about Martial, Pliny, Strabo et al., the earlier version provided. So the lead must cover both bases: (a) the term 'Maltese dog' in classical sources and (b) the distinct modern breed.
What is annoying is that, I assume, editors familiar with the modern breed have added almost nothing of value, sparse details, on the modern breed, but are very much engaged in trying to twist the ancient evidence to undercut any possible association of the earlier species known by the same name as related. Well, of course they are not known to be related. But the term has a continuity between antiquity and modern times, and therefore the page must cover both, and clarify the confusion. Nishidani ( talk) 15:00, 6 June 2022 (UTC) Problems
The authoress wrote formerly 30 articles for the EB. Her link in profile says she is ‘Experienced Talent Development professional and certified executive coach with 12 years of experience working in the legal industry.’ The online EC is not a reliable source, esp. when the article happens to be written by a non-expert, who here asserts the probability of a highly contested view.'breed of toy dog named for the island of Malta, where it may have originated about 2,800 years ago.' Nishidani ( talk) 15:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
There's been a formal objection to my adoption of a particular citational style in my overhaul of this article. I didn't think this important at the time, since this objection, and revert justification, has only emerged once, i.e. here, in the 900 articles which I have rewritten or created with software format Neil developed. People have of course raised occasional objections, but not to my format choice. But since Nableezy, - a redoubtable formalist, and stickler for the fine reading of policy, has wigged me on precisely this point - will be tempted seize the opportunity finally to cap his wiki ambitions by exploiting this oversight to take me to AE for a permaban, thereby proving he can, as often, succeed where a cast of hundreds have failed for two decades, I'll take the wigging seriously and go through the standard procedure.:)
So I'd appreciate input on this. What are the objections to this format? Should we stick with the old page and its various conflicting templates or aspire to uniformity? etc. Nishidani ( talk) 07:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In the Characteristics, it explains on the weight and height, but believe there is misinformation? Here is what I mean Adult weight is usually 3–4 kg (7–9 lb). Bitches are about 20–23 cm (8–9 in) tall, dogs slightly more. It's the Bitches are about 20–23 cm (8–9 in) tall, dogs slightly more. What are "bitches" in this context? I refuse to believe this breed has an demonym being "bitchs". ( 120.17.191.141 ( talk) 06:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC))
Maltipoo's are a Maltese and Poodle mix that are highly intelligent. I am new to Wikipedia editing but I own a Maltipoo and am very excited to share my knowledge. Davnee09 ( talk) 00:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Nishidani why do you believe it's due/relevant to include this information in an article on a dog breed? It doesn't change anyone's understanding of the breed itself. Traumnovelle ( talk) 20:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)