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But it is not IN China! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.134.43 ( talk) 05:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh my. Okay, let me start off right away by saying I don't want to be argumentative; in fact I profoundly appreciate the citation. I've always been a fan of that particular article of Go Bon Juan's. So I guess all I'll do is share that there's a conflict between the assertions in Go Bon Juan's "Ma-i in Chinese Records" (2005) and Scott's "Prehistoric Source Materials" (1st Ed 1984; 2nd Ed 2000). (I'm afraid I no longer own any Zaide pieces, so I can't do a similar check of Zaide's works.)
As you said, p121 of Go's article (available online) says:
"The following places belong to this country: San-su [Three Islands], Pai-p'u-yen, P'u-li-lu, Li-lun-tung, Liu-Sin, and Li-han." (emphasis mine)
Whereas p68 of Scott (personal copy) says:
San-hsu, Pai-p'u-yen, P'u-li-lu, Li-yin-tung, Liu-Hsin, and Li-han, etc., are all the same sort of place as Ma-i. (emphasis mine)
Scott then indicates an endnote, which leads to Page 147 of the book which says:
The text says, not that these places belong to Ma-i, but that they are of Ma-i's shu, a word that means "type, class" as a noun, and "subordinate" as an adjective (e.g. shu kuo, "tributary state"), being used elsewhere in the Chu Fan Chih in these two senses.
Hm. I guess that really only shows how open to interpretation this all is? I have a great deal of respect for both these scholars' works, and have used both specific publications extensively in the past. Maybe I shouldn't be so hasty to dismiss the Lihan being under Mai. Will keep that Go in mind the next time this is brought up. Thanks for the heads up, ERAMnc and cheers! Hopefully someday soon some historiographer will address this discrepancy head-on and give us a definitive word on the translation. :D - Alternativity ( talk) 09:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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But it is not IN China! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.134.43 ( talk) 05:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh my. Okay, let me start off right away by saying I don't want to be argumentative; in fact I profoundly appreciate the citation. I've always been a fan of that particular article of Go Bon Juan's. So I guess all I'll do is share that there's a conflict between the assertions in Go Bon Juan's "Ma-i in Chinese Records" (2005) and Scott's "Prehistoric Source Materials" (1st Ed 1984; 2nd Ed 2000). (I'm afraid I no longer own any Zaide pieces, so I can't do a similar check of Zaide's works.)
As you said, p121 of Go's article (available online) says:
"The following places belong to this country: San-su [Three Islands], Pai-p'u-yen, P'u-li-lu, Li-lun-tung, Liu-Sin, and Li-han." (emphasis mine)
Whereas p68 of Scott (personal copy) says:
San-hsu, Pai-p'u-yen, P'u-li-lu, Li-yin-tung, Liu-Hsin, and Li-han, etc., are all the same sort of place as Ma-i. (emphasis mine)
Scott then indicates an endnote, which leads to Page 147 of the book which says:
The text says, not that these places belong to Ma-i, but that they are of Ma-i's shu, a word that means "type, class" as a noun, and "subordinate" as an adjective (e.g. shu kuo, "tributary state"), being used elsewhere in the Chu Fan Chih in these two senses.
Hm. I guess that really only shows how open to interpretation this all is? I have a great deal of respect for both these scholars' works, and have used both specific publications extensively in the past. Maybe I shouldn't be so hasty to dismiss the Lihan being under Mai. Will keep that Go in mind the next time this is brought up. Thanks for the heads up, ERAMnc and cheers! Hopefully someday soon some historiographer will address this discrepancy head-on and give us a definitive word on the translation. :D - Alternativity ( talk) 09:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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