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If and when an actress has "exposed her nude upper body" is simply not relevant in a biographic article in an encyclopedia. This is not a matter of withholding "truth" - there are a wide number of equally irrelevant albeit true facts that I would remove in the same fashion (e.g. what brand of shoes she was wearing in the latest episode of The Comeback). Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Furthermore, statements like this reduce the credibility of Wikipedia, by making it look like " Beavis and Butt-head's guide to naked flesh in movies". There must be more relevant things to mention about Malin Akerman's acting than the fact that she's once taken her shirt off in front of the camera. / Alarm 12:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
While the above link is interesting, I think this would make for a much better picture, though I'm not exactly sure it's fair use: [2] Those copyright laws are a bitch; but someone can try uploading it since I don't know all the rules and criteria, etc. -- Wikiwøw 20:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Page moved per discussion below. History merged back together. - GTBacchus( talk) 05:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Malin Åkerman → Malin Akerman — Fix an improper, undiscussed cut-and-paste move. Malin Akerman is the spelling she herself uses on her own web page, a proper spelling for this Canadian-since-a-baby. I changed the empty-but-for-BLP-template Talk:Malin Åkerman to redirect to the still-existing Talk:Malin Akerman, if anything further needs to be done there include that as well. — Gene Nygaard ( talk) 13:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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It states in the first paragraph that she is a "model, actress, and singer", but there is no information in the article regarding her singing career, band, or album releases. If she does actually have a singing background, someone should add some creditable information (Band, position, instrument(s) played, album releases, etc) about it to the article, and don't forget your sources. Is this singing in the shower? For that, I'd gladly buy a ticket... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.254.40.129 ( talk) 16:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I know the subject of the spelling of her last name has been mentioned before, but I think it has be done spelled as it was originally. Since she is Swedish and her name is Swedish spells with Å and not A in Swedish media, therefore it should be moved to Åkerman. In the movie "27 dresses" and others, she is credited as Åkerman. http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=235&a=410640 http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=257&a=482372 True, it spells with an A on "her" website, but I doubt the reliability of her site just for the fact it has a link to IMDB right on the main page and the very first page seems like an advertisement for the watchmen movie. Norum ( talk) 20:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
The point is that this is how the original media spell her name and her own website does not seem to be reliable source as it seem to be more of an advertisement than an actual website. So maybe we should change all the Näslunds, Jönssons and Försbergs into Naslunds, Jonssons and Forsbergs just because this is english Wikipedia? This is just ridiculous. The names should be as they are spelled in the original version. I looked for some other examples in english Wikipedia and I found some Polish names. It is Józef Piłsudski, Władysław Sikorski and Edward Rydz-Śmigły and not Jozef Pilsudski, Wladyslaw Sikorski and Edward Rydz-Smigly. And there are many more examples like that. If this is done with polish names, then it can be done with Åkerman's name as well. Or maybe now these will be changed too, because this is the english Wikipedia? Norum ( talk) 01:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
This is really just about North Americans being lazy in learning the proper spelling of foreign last names. Of course it is different when it comes to non-latin alphabets. I think if we stick with using the original spelling of the name, it would give people in North America a little bit more perspective. I think there is no point in changing foreign sounding names (as used in an examples above) into the English spelling, but leave it in the original version, especially considering that if an English speaking person types the name the English way, it will still redirect them to the right person. Not to mention that Åkerman's titles on Wikipedia have her listed with Å, not A. Another example - Johan Åkerman, a Swedish hockey player. His name is spelled with Å on English language sites. Norum ( talk) 21:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Also Anton Strålman...so many examples. Speaking of the policy, where can this be discussed? I mean this is something worth looking into. Norum ( talk) 01:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
This is hardly a question of North American laziness with spelling names correctly. This is a universal issue in languages that words need to conform to linguistic rules, including the alphabet used by a language. This is the English Wikipedia, and in English there is no "Å". Because "A" and "Å" look similar, we think it all makes sense and why not, but the discussion page Duribald links to above shows the silliness of how far this goes:
All the foreign article names are absurd, but it's the policy. I'm sure one day I'll type in Warsaw and be redirected to Warszawa. --KP Botany (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I have placed a WP:RM request to move Libingan ng mga Bayani back to Cemetery of the Heroes. Further discussion of this move should take place at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we could also tell the Poles to rename Cemetery of the Heroes, which they call pl:Cmentarz Bohaterów w Teguig, to be the standard Tagalog version of Libingan ng mga Bayani, but it doesn't make sense. We have a Tagalog Wikipedia, and this is not it. What is being argued is that everyone has to learn everyone else's languages and alphabets so so that we can comically watch our English readers struggle to pronounce and translate sounds, words and alphabets they have no familiarity with; nobody on the planet does this, unless you are learning Esperanto. -->David Shankbone 16:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
People's names are one thing, but places, especially with a longer name are something totally different. I have to agree on that one, it would not make sense. As for the A and Å. True, they look almost the same, but it totally changes the sound. Å is pronounced more o. Another thing I have noticed, Swedish names with é in them, are still being written like that in the English Wiki as such. It would be insane to switch all the foreign names into the english version, that is why I think Wiki should allow the original spelling of the names in here. Hitler is still listed as Adolf, not Adolph. de la Rosa is still Pedro, not Peter. Fisichella is still written as Giancarlo, not John Carl. There are so many examples. Norum ( talk) 22:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 13:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Malin Åkerman → Malin Akerman — Conventional spelling as demonstrated by survey of English language sources.
I propose that we restore the title to Malin Akerman, as was the previous (and only documented?) consensus at this page. Although originally Swedish, she has spent almost her entire life and professional career in Canada and the United States, where she is now based. Additionally and more importantly, she is almost universally referred to as Akerman rather than Åkerman in English language sources. Of course, the name Åkerman should be mentioned in the first lines of the article. Erudy ( talk) 05:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
The following are citations which use Akerman.
Proposals to cleanse the wikipedia from those awful little foreign squigglets and maintain the Alphabetical Purity of The Chosen Twenty Six come up regularly. Please read as an example Thingeyri#Requested_move.2C_2007|Talk|Þingeyri#Requested_move.2C_2007, I'm sure everyone will find both good and bad arguments they wouldn't have thought of themselves (if this bores you out of your mind, read the The Girl Who Fixed the Umlaut in the New Yorker for a good laugh). And think that thorn is mighty mysterious compared with a mildly surprised (or surprising?) "Åh." walk victor falk talk 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
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Åkerman has a Swedish passport and became an American citizen in October 2018. She lived in Canada for most of her life, but says she never was a citizen. So, should all the categories involving Canada, such as "20th-century Canadian actresses", be removed? Pancake ( talk) 17:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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If and when an actress has "exposed her nude upper body" is simply not relevant in a biographic article in an encyclopedia. This is not a matter of withholding "truth" - there are a wide number of equally irrelevant albeit true facts that I would remove in the same fashion (e.g. what brand of shoes she was wearing in the latest episode of The Comeback). Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Furthermore, statements like this reduce the credibility of Wikipedia, by making it look like " Beavis and Butt-head's guide to naked flesh in movies". There must be more relevant things to mention about Malin Akerman's acting than the fact that she's once taken her shirt off in front of the camera. / Alarm 12:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
While the above link is interesting, I think this would make for a much better picture, though I'm not exactly sure it's fair use: [2] Those copyright laws are a bitch; but someone can try uploading it since I don't know all the rules and criteria, etc. -- Wikiwøw 20:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Page moved per discussion below. History merged back together. - GTBacchus( talk) 05:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Malin Åkerman → Malin Akerman — Fix an improper, undiscussed cut-and-paste move. Malin Akerman is the spelling she herself uses on her own web page, a proper spelling for this Canadian-since-a-baby. I changed the empty-but-for-BLP-template Talk:Malin Åkerman to redirect to the still-existing Talk:Malin Akerman, if anything further needs to be done there include that as well. — Gene Nygaard ( talk) 13:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Not only had the page been moved by cut-and-paste, but all reference to the Akerman spelling had been exorcised. Furthermore the discussion of Swedish å equals German o (no mention of English) might create a misleading impression that it could also be spelled Malin Okerman. Gene Nygaard ( talk) 13:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
It states in the first paragraph that she is a "model, actress, and singer", but there is no information in the article regarding her singing career, band, or album releases. If she does actually have a singing background, someone should add some creditable information (Band, position, instrument(s) played, album releases, etc) about it to the article, and don't forget your sources. Is this singing in the shower? For that, I'd gladly buy a ticket... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.254.40.129 ( talk) 16:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I know the subject of the spelling of her last name has been mentioned before, but I think it has be done spelled as it was originally. Since she is Swedish and her name is Swedish spells with Å and not A in Swedish media, therefore it should be moved to Åkerman. In the movie "27 dresses" and others, she is credited as Åkerman. http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=235&a=410640 http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=257&a=482372 True, it spells with an A on "her" website, but I doubt the reliability of her site just for the fact it has a link to IMDB right on the main page and the very first page seems like an advertisement for the watchmen movie. Norum ( talk) 20:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
The point is that this is how the original media spell her name and her own website does not seem to be reliable source as it seem to be more of an advertisement than an actual website. So maybe we should change all the Näslunds, Jönssons and Försbergs into Naslunds, Jonssons and Forsbergs just because this is english Wikipedia? This is just ridiculous. The names should be as they are spelled in the original version. I looked for some other examples in english Wikipedia and I found some Polish names. It is Józef Piłsudski, Władysław Sikorski and Edward Rydz-Śmigły and not Jozef Pilsudski, Wladyslaw Sikorski and Edward Rydz-Smigly. And there are many more examples like that. If this is done with polish names, then it can be done with Åkerman's name as well. Or maybe now these will be changed too, because this is the english Wikipedia? Norum ( talk) 01:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
This is really just about North Americans being lazy in learning the proper spelling of foreign last names. Of course it is different when it comes to non-latin alphabets. I think if we stick with using the original spelling of the name, it would give people in North America a little bit more perspective. I think there is no point in changing foreign sounding names (as used in an examples above) into the English spelling, but leave it in the original version, especially considering that if an English speaking person types the name the English way, it will still redirect them to the right person. Not to mention that Åkerman's titles on Wikipedia have her listed with Å, not A. Another example - Johan Åkerman, a Swedish hockey player. His name is spelled with Å on English language sites. Norum ( talk) 21:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Also Anton Strålman...so many examples. Speaking of the policy, where can this be discussed? I mean this is something worth looking into. Norum ( talk) 01:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
This is hardly a question of North American laziness with spelling names correctly. This is a universal issue in languages that words need to conform to linguistic rules, including the alphabet used by a language. This is the English Wikipedia, and in English there is no "Å". Because "A" and "Å" look similar, we think it all makes sense and why not, but the discussion page Duribald links to above shows the silliness of how far this goes:
All the foreign article names are absurd, but it's the policy. I'm sure one day I'll type in Warsaw and be redirected to Warszawa. --KP Botany (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I have placed a WP:RM request to move Libingan ng mga Bayani back to Cemetery of the Heroes. Further discussion of this move should take place at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we could also tell the Poles to rename Cemetery of the Heroes, which they call pl:Cmentarz Bohaterów w Teguig, to be the standard Tagalog version of Libingan ng mga Bayani, but it doesn't make sense. We have a Tagalog Wikipedia, and this is not it. What is being argued is that everyone has to learn everyone else's languages and alphabets so so that we can comically watch our English readers struggle to pronounce and translate sounds, words and alphabets they have no familiarity with; nobody on the planet does this, unless you are learning Esperanto. -->David Shankbone 16:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
People's names are one thing, but places, especially with a longer name are something totally different. I have to agree on that one, it would not make sense. As for the A and Å. True, they look almost the same, but it totally changes the sound. Å is pronounced more o. Another thing I have noticed, Swedish names with é in them, are still being written like that in the English Wiki as such. It would be insane to switch all the foreign names into the english version, that is why I think Wiki should allow the original spelling of the names in here. Hitler is still listed as Adolf, not Adolph. de la Rosa is still Pedro, not Peter. Fisichella is still written as Giancarlo, not John Carl. There are so many examples. Norum ( talk) 22:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 13:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Malin Åkerman → Malin Akerman — Conventional spelling as demonstrated by survey of English language sources.
I propose that we restore the title to Malin Akerman, as was the previous (and only documented?) consensus at this page. Although originally Swedish, she has spent almost her entire life and professional career in Canada and the United States, where she is now based. Additionally and more importantly, she is almost universally referred to as Akerman rather than Åkerman in English language sources. Of course, the name Åkerman should be mentioned in the first lines of the article. Erudy ( talk) 05:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
The following are citations which use Akerman.
Proposals to cleanse the wikipedia from those awful little foreign squigglets and maintain the Alphabetical Purity of The Chosen Twenty Six come up regularly. Please read as an example Thingeyri#Requested_move.2C_2007|Talk|Þingeyri#Requested_move.2C_2007, I'm sure everyone will find both good and bad arguments they wouldn't have thought of themselves (if this bores you out of your mind, read the The Girl Who Fixed the Umlaut in the New Yorker for a good laugh). And think that thorn is mighty mysterious compared with a mildly surprised (or surprising?) "Åh." walk victor falk talk 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
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Åkerman has a Swedish passport and became an American citizen in October 2018. She lived in Canada for most of her life, but says she never was a citizen. So, should all the categories involving Canada, such as "20th-century Canadian actresses", be removed? Pancake ( talk) 17:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I frankly don't care either way, but the article should:
Currently it looks amateurish. -- 91.5.109.82 ( talk) 14:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)