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I removed the statement "Although, in one episode Reese successfully managed to get all the answers wrong in that school year's final exams, so he wouldn't have to graduate and leave school for yet another year. This also means that he could have had a perfect score if he had wanted to, hinting at an above-average IQ" from Reese's section. This does not follow logically at all; just because Reese could produce obviously incorrect answers does not at all imply he could have arrived at the correct ones. Chris1435 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Bit late, but you're wrong - the questions were true/false. So by expertly revising so he could get all the questions wrong, he could of course have gotten 100%. 80.177.211.43 21:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
About the things in the opening sequence, I know where the head being assembeled came from. It was a thing about robots that was hosted by Scully from X-Files that I watched in school once, but I don't know what it was called. ??? 64.136.49.225 ( talk) 04:23, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
It says there are 5 children, but only 4 are listed in the cast. What gives? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 19:18, 26 July 2004 (UTC)
I don't know, but there are definitely five children.
Francis (oldest brother, works on a farm) Reese (second oldest, is in the army) Malcom (is a genius) Dewey (is actually the middle child now) Jamie (the baby)-- FarQPwnsJoo 03:50, 2 September 2004 (UTC)
I could swear they called the whole family the "Hies" (in the German syndicated episode where all the neighbours are celebrating a big street party because the "Hies" were absent). 83.65.123.15 ( talk) 15:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard that name applied to them (did I miss an episode?). I always assumed they were nameless (just as their town and state is). -- Yossarian 07:54, 5 November 2004 (UTC)
I remember them using the name wilkerson elsewhere in the show so I am not sure that it is as secret as this article makes it appear-mfair4d
in the episode when hal became the leader of the home owners group he was showing his business card to lois and they read 'president Wilkerson' when looking at it(couldnt find its name in the episodelist) Cleverca22 04:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
While 15 may be the "typical" minimum age, it is not universal. My daughter is 14, and will be getting her permit next week. This is North Dakota, and I know that, in some states, you have to be 16. 24.220.106.110 ( talk) 00:23, 8 July 2005 (UTC)
Actually 16 is the normal minimum age, only a few states(I think less than 5) have it lower than that. So 15 is not typical, 16 is. Spyke 01:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
16 is the normal minimum age for a DRIVER'S LICENSE. 15 is typical for a learner's permit. TeamGoon 04:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
i recived my learners permit in IL at 15, but couldn't get my full liscence till i was 16. 70.224.62.230 ( talk) 21:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the family is from Minneapolis because on an episode called "monkey," after Reese batted a home intruder, he was honored with a cap that has the acronym MPD. I searched it that lead me to the Minneapolis Police Department. The family must then be from Minneapolis. However this does damage the claim that Hal had driven four hours to get to Francais' military school after refusing to be his alibi in other episode because Minnesota that state where Minneapolis is is up north while Alabama is way down south making that trip impossible. Also being from Minneapolis, Minnesota does diminish the other claim that it takes Francais eight hours to visit them from Texas. So maybe where the family is from is as fictional and non-existing as the family. Another possibility on where the family is from is they might from Montgomery, Alabama since the police department also uses MPD. It also fit the traveling time frame diffrence. This however does take away from show's satire of the south especially in that episode where Francais volunteered at a beauty pageant. 66.65.170.201 ( talk) 12:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
"MPD" means they could be from any city that starts with "M". Doesn't have to be Minniapolis or Montgomery, but literally any "M" city. -- Omninode 10:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
On that note, the reference about the Arizona Cardinals water bottle probably shouldn't be a reference - many times, we've seen American football pennants and other merchandise in the boys' room. 86.7.133.42 ( talk) 14:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Um, hasn't there been more than one episode that showed a California license plate on Hal's car? I know the one where the bee was coming after him for revenge after Hal destroyed his nest showed the plate fairly clearly.
Whoops. On reviewing that episode, Hal's is actually a license plate from a ficticious state. I can't make out the second work in the fake state, but the first one is "Cherokee."
There is an episode where the family drives to Burning Man, in an RV borrowed from one of Hal's co-workers. The license plate is Californian.
--- you can't really count license plates as proof since the show is shot in california they are going to have californian license plates.
In the episode "Vegas" Lois is mad at Hal and when they are leaving Hal asks, "Ten hours of silence?" meaning they live about ten hours from Las Vegas, NV.
They also live somewhere with warm weather year around. In the christmas episode there is no snow and there hasnt been snow in any episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.89.174 ( talk) 20:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Just like to say this (and I will edit the page, correcting this error) the prosthetic face wasn't a prosthetic face being constructed. It was in an episode where the people at Francis's military school found out his was birthday and traditionally shaved all the hair of his body. He had a date that night so he started to use a marker to draw hair. So while I see where you could easily mistake that I thought you would like to know why I'm editing this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slipp ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The person who wrote the above text must have a screw loose, when the guy is referencing a prosthetic face he is talking about the opening credits where two hands push two parts of a head upwards and together, this clip is ovbiously a clip from a sci-film or TV show. 84.66.181.223 ( talk) 01:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Its never going to be said where they live. Their just going to give clues that contradict with eachother.
Hey! After spending a good solid weekend researching all the sources of information for the Opening Title sequence almost a year ago, Ive returned to see if any discsussion has arose from my hard work. Reading the above, I have replace the mistake of the Prosthetic Face thingy (i had no idea how to describe it) back into the article in hope that one day someone will come across and fill in the blank, as well as for the skiing dude on fire - the best sample ever!
Ok, the blank has finally been filled. The "prosthetic face" is actually the head of a robot that is being assembled in the episode "Liar!" from the BBC series "Out of the Unknown". Stills can be found at [1]. Credit where credit is due... I found the link between Malcolm in the Middle and this TV episode at [2]. -- Larryingram4924 04:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Didn't one of the episodes win a certain award? I thought it was the bowling episode were the screen is split in half throughout, displaying what would happen if Malcom went bowling with his mum or dad. I couldn't see any information about it in the artcile. Zooba 14:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Yep. The bowling episode won an Emmy
If Boys Were Girls also won an Emmy.
This article has no references, so why is it listed as a good article? One of the criteria for a Good article is references -- ChessManXI 11:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
God Damn it! There must be references! REFERENCES!!!!!
There should be more infomation on the characters. A LOT MORE! AND GOOD EXTERNAL LINKS. I LOVE TE SHOW AND I WANT THE PAGE TO BE GOOD! Imzy
Each main character has there own page. Wikipedia thinks that is enough. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_in_the_middle#External_links Tjpeople
"Bryan Cranston (Hal), Justin Berfield (Reese) and Erik Per Sullivan (Dewey) are the only actors to appear in every episode."
What? Has there been any episodes that Malcolm himself wasn't in? Elaborate? LR 212.242.32.26 ( talk) 18:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
He was in that episode, but only for a few seconds right at the end
This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because it does not cite its sources. Extraordinary Machine 16:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I just signed up being interested in the wikipedia project. So, please be gentile. Why does answers.com have this exact article posted on their website? Isn't this wikipedia unique content? http://www.answers.com/topic/malcolm-in-the-middle —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ausme0 ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the proper forum to ask, but I have tried looking everywhere else and can't figure it out. Does anyone know the name of the episod where Malcolm takes on a teacher who is giving the students grades for names, and malcolm ends the experiment by pushing all of the students over the edge by making them recite prime numbers? that stuck with me somehow, and I can't find the name. 69.180.146.181 ( talk) 23:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Episode 302 (second episode of season 3) "Emancipation" is the episode that introduced ex-Krelboyne Lionel Herkabe (played by Chris Eigeman), who tried to create class competition by calling on the kids by a dynamically-changing class rank, posted in front of the class together with their grades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray921 ( talk • contribs) 05:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
This shows seems similiar to the Wonder Years. A suburban boy who's character started the show in middle school. He talks to the audience (similar to the voice overs with "older Kevin" in the Wonder Years. His best friend Stevie is similar to Kevin's best friend in that Kevin's best friend was allergic to so much and very smart, just as stevie is very smart (though moved to second place in the smart class when Malcolm was added) and has problems breathing and is in a wheelchair. I think there are probably other similiarites also.I remember thinking about how similar the show was to the Wonder Years when I first saw it, and I think I rember others talking about it, too. Anyway, do you think it is appropiate to make a section about the similarities? User:Crd721 10:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
this show is not like the Wonder Years whatsoever so please don't —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tonetare ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC).
Should this link specifically redirect here? The word is a lot older than this series. The 1960 film The Little Shop of Horrors has a character surnamed Krelboyne (according to the IMDb, the naming of the Krelboynes on this series is a reference to the film), and the article on that film says that the surname is also a slang term for a nerd or dweeb. ( Ibaranoff24 23:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC))
What is a krelboyne? why would they use that name from a movie for a this show? and just... I never heard this. could someone explain the whole usage of krelboyne to me please. Tonetare 22:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The characters in this show refer to Malcolm's gifted class as the "krelboyne class," and as a shorthad for geek or gifted. I can't recall an adult in the show using the term though - is this the official name of the class, or just what the boys / students call it? Xsmasher ( talk) 17:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
These sections need an extensive rewrite. There are numerous errors and it is generally poorly written. The ridiculously long sentences need to be changed also. Someone with a good knowledge of the show should rewrite these to an acceptable standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.213.150 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 18 June 2006
I know that the song "Older" was indeed in the show somewhere, but I can't remember where. If anybody could help me by telling me which episode and part of the episode the song older was in that would be great. User:Slipp 21:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
This article really doesnt say what the show is about. As a fan of the show i find this article very inadequate. I think the overview should make it more clear it is essentially about how the interesting characters of the family deal with everyday events. The humor of the show tends to be driven by the traits and realtionships of the main characters more so then because any "action" is happening plotwise. For this reason I think the sections describing the characters need to be really improved and detail thier essential personality traits instead of telling what happens to them plotwise like it does now. For example Lois's never ending desire to always do what she believes is right despite if the unintended consequences end up being more substantial then what was corrected is a recuring theme in at least half the episodes of the series. This is key to understanding the concept of whole show and is much more important then to mention things like specific plot points or what her employment is which frankly are inconsequential spoilers which should be deleted. Not understanding this focus on the characters is the explanation for comments like below were people say the show isnt funny.
The focus on characters with the plot sometimes seemingly about nothing important to me really is reminiscient of Seinfeld - except it is a family not adults. I borrowed this from Wikipedia on Seinfeld. I think this can almost word for word describe Malcolm in the Middle as well:
"Another attribute that makes Seinfeld exceptional is that in almost every episode, several story threads are presented at the beginning, generally involving the various characters in separate and unrelated situations, which then converge and are interwoven towards the end of the episode in an ironic fashion. Due to the densely-plotted construction of the storylines, attempts to summarize the action in a given script are generally more verbose than one would expect for a sitcom. Despite any separate plot strands, the narratives show "consistent efforts to maintain [the] intimacy" between the small cast of characters. "Much of Seinfeld's plot and humor hinge on outside personalities threatening—and ultimately failing—to invade the foursome, ... especially where Jerry and George are concerned." (Gantz 2000" 24.147.160.12 ( talk) 17:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I also disagree with some other posters below that the family is disfunctional and I think that description should be removed from the article. Compared to so many other TV familys it is practically a model - thier are 2 parents who both have jobs and actually give a damn. I think people confuse thier individual disfunctional personalities (which is basically what the show is about) with saying it is a disfunctional family. It isnt the same. 24.147.160.12 ( talk) 11:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Ukraine? do we care?
Also, some wikipedia adict left the final paragraph reading:
"Not much is known about Victor, except that he left his home at a young age and that he was in the war. Victor had another family, but kept it a secret from Ida. This family was introduced dur"
Not even "dur......Aaaaagh!"
Can the previous be restored? Not to mention that it says "this family." They're all related!-- 24.27.26.179 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Carlos
I don't like the fact that Ida was racist on the show. Wasn't her personality bad enough without having to have her be racist. A person can be only so hateful Tonetare 22:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What the hell are you guys talking about? Cite your sources when giving your stupid opinions! You people are idiots. Ida? Racist? Go back and sneak under your rock... LOTRrules 20:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
im pretty sure the animated guy on the hoverboard in the opening credits is from the flash gordan animated TV series, but im not 100% sure. "In 1996, Hearst Entertainment premiered a Flash Gordon (TV Series) animated television series. This version turned Flash and Dale into skateboarding teen-agers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Gordon 70.224.62.230 ( talk) 21:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
also i think the dude on fire running into the tree is from the "Wide World of Sports" TV show from australia. see http://www.jumptheshark.com/w/wideworldofsports.htm first note. i think also Ask Yahoo did a thing on it. http://ask.yahoo.com/20060213.html, is that the same thing? 216.43.215.230 ( talk) 03:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a mystery section in the article. Right after it, there is another section explaining how the location of the family is a mystery. WTF? Wouldn't it make more sense for the location to be a subsection of the former? Lgrinberg 02:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Also- the mystery over Jamies gender is actually pretty stupid as it clearly states in some episodes that he is a boy and in the article itself it contradicts it. Conor 15:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The main article lists it as being in Texas. Can anyone confirm that? There was an episode in either season 4 or 5, in which The Grotto has to lay off a bunch of workers because tourists are flocking to nearby Roswell. Wouldn't that indicate that the ranch is in New Mexico? 72.72.145.114 ( talk) 21:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I always thought that it was in New Mexico, not only because it is near Roswell, but also because Otto and some other employees have a symbol on thier uniforms that is similar, if not identical, to the New Mexican flag.
I do not know the reason why "Malcolm in the Middle" ended. Low ratings? Because they decided to call it quits? Why was this show taken off the air? Could someone who knows the story please give me an answer? This is very sad. Especially since there do not seem to be plans to release the other seasons on DVD. C&R 19:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Concerning Dewey's age: I remember an episode where Dewey started his first day of school, in which he also learns how to play the piano (in 15 minutes a day). I'm pretty sure they mentioned it was his first day of first grade, except I am almost positive that this occurs at least in season 3 or after. It appears to contradict the fact that Dewey started his first day of first grade in the first season. I don't remember the details very well, but what are your opinions on Dewey's age?
hangfromthefloor 21:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
--Short answer: The show was supposed to be about kids, and they aren't kids anymore. --Long answer: The show ended because it was about Malcolm being in the middle of his family. They kept finding ways to keep Francis a part of the show and, in the last two seasons, reasons to keep Reese around, but once Malcolm graduated high school it simply wouldn't make sense to continue. The dynamic of the show was heavily based on the relationships of adolescent siblings. If they are all working or in college the basis of the show no longer exists. Remember Boy Meets World...somehow Mr. Feeny manages to to stay with the group from elementary school all the way past college...it gets a little stale after a while. I was a big fan of Malcolm but I agree that this was the perfect time to end it. How can we be told Malcolm is a genius for 7 years and then not see him go off to a prestigous college after graduation? It had to end.
In the trivia part of the article, it says that the character Jason Alexander played in friends sold toner over the phone when infact, it was pheobe who was selling toner . Earl was the 'office supplies manager' and did not sell toner, merely he was the customer18:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
20:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I reworded this section....this was what was previously there which was interesting but unencyclopedic:
No, most of this is wrong. The show is set in California, due to the license plates, and the house they film the family in is situated in Cantura street, Studio City, California (my cousins live 3 house from where they film it). ( Justinboden86 02:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
Where your cousins live constitutes "original research" by Wikinerdia standards. Nanny nanny boo boo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.65.143 ( talk) 20:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a difference between where the show is filmed and where it is set. You are correct the show is filmed in California there is no debate (see: http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1249) there however where it is set is up for alot of debate and is never made explicit. See discussion here http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=457 Tjpeople ( talk) 20:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The sheer amount in this article is ridiculous. The Trivia, mysteries and character age sections should be removed entirely, and the setting section should be severely shortened. It also needs much more content on the development of the show, production etc. I'll wait for people to reply of course, but i'll certainly remove it at some point. Essentially it reads like a fansite. The character segment is also far too long, particularly as many have their own articles and alot of it is once again very unencyclopedic speculation. Edit: I removed a lot of it, course it's always there if anyone wants to incorporate any of the info into the rest of the article Slydevil 19:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that was a bit naughty of me. Thought I would take the 'be bold' thing to new heights. It was slightly more to spur the discussion on quicker before I forgot about this. Thanks though Slydevil 23:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi: I removed the "Characters" section, as there are already main articles on all of the main characters; I based this revision on the "That 70's Show" article, in which the main article itself merely links the characters and their real names to the articles about them. This article was way too long, and I agree, too fansite-ish. I also added a bit about Craig and Jamie, to flesh out the Secondary Characters section so it didn't need to be deleted altogether. I won't even try to take on the Trivia and such yet. If you all don't agree with the changes, feel free to simply revert them completely; however, I think the summary of each main character in addition to entire separate articles is overkill. Oh, and I also took out the "dysfunctional" bit in the main article; that is a harsh judgement of a family I would have loved to have. No one in the family drank excessively, physically abused anyone, neglected the children or had any lack of love for them. This is not a dysfunctional family, and the show doesn't need to be labeled as that (as "Roseanne" didn't deserve that label, either). Weiwuweix 03:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
Article is looking good to me now (removed some of the more arguable content, such as references to dynfunctionality, extra info that's irrelevant and uncitable), and now I think it's looking really good. I was looking into renominating it for "Good" status....but that seems to be above my head. Can someone else do that, and see if the "tone" disclaimer can be taken off yet? Weiwuweix 21:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
Removed the "evil" sentence, although I'm not sure how to reword that or why it needed it (it was hinted at many times in a lot of episodes, so I didn't see it necessary to cite....?). Actually, does anyone object to me removing some of the section "broadcast history" such as what channel it *was* shown on when it was aired? Even if some are current listings for syndicated reruns, it's not "encyclopedic" and they're probably all expired listings anyways. This would cut WAY down on the bulk AND the need for citation (nothing in that section is cited, and wouldn't be worth looking for citation, anyways). I'll wait a few days to do this; I don't really see a reason to leave it, though. Weiwuweix 02:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
See, the thing about the channel listings is that, besides listing the network (not channel number) that it was premiered on, it has no use. Even if the "channel" listings are current, Wiki isn't a TV Guide, you know? The channel listings add nothing to us "knowing" or "learning" about the show. Saying "It premiered on Fox in the US, and BBC4 (or whatever) in the UK, as well as "TeleSpain" in latin america" etc, would be fine, but saying "in italy it is on channel 4. In England it is on channel 6. In Russia it's on channel 9"----what's that adding? Wiki isn't supposed to be the end-all-be-all of every single bit of info on MitM, it's supposed to be the "relevant" info, right?
Will try to find an example of Jamie being "evil" to cite. And, as far as the "secondary characters" section, it can completely go, IMHO. I only added the Craig and Jamie stuff because I didn't want to just completely delete the Victor and Ida stuff (which wasn't mine, so I was being safe). It can stand to go, though. Weiwuweix 00:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
Edit: *Bashes head on table*, someone just expanded the awards section. I really don't think it's a good idea, per the reasons stated above. Perhaps changing the section to 'achievements' would be better? I reckon we should leave it, until we get more info on the production of the show, origins, impact on popular culture, writing etc..Things like that. Anybody willing to do a hunt? Not forgetting the format section needs expanding. Slydevil 03:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
There needs to be more info on production and where they show MITM currently and before (IMPORTANT). Imzy 18:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
As the article says currently there is no news on the DVD release of seasons 2-7. There have been various illegal site selling them, but no official releases. If you have more information of release dates remember to include references.
One reassuring thing is that they are listed on NetFlicks Tjpeople 15:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Season 2 is on Amazon.com but it hasn't been released yet 15:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't Malcolm in the Middle a cross American/Canadian production? A friend of mine worked on the production and they are adimant that the sitcom is not American (or at least, not fully American). 90.240.156.176 ( talk) 22:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Its not true that the cold open is always unrelated to the main program; in Traffic Jam, the cold open is the family leaving a water park (after receiving a lifetime ban) and Malcolm saying that he envied Dewey being at home with the baby sitter. Its then a cut to Dewey asking a scarecrow for help to get back home; this sets up the main part - Dewey's journey home and the rest of the family's trip and getting stuck in a traffic jam.
Perhaps rephrasing the sentence to something like ...the cold open was, in most cases, unrelated to the main part of the episode.
Apepper 18:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that we should change the episode length from 22 minutes to 21 minutes because almost all episodes are 20-21 minutes long not 22.
Thanks, 82.30.11.226 10:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I thought the list of guest stars might be too hard to read as they were crammed together - some of which I couldn't make out - so I created a list of guest stars by putting bulllet points on it. I think the article is better that way. Any quesries just reply to this or go to my talk page... LOTRrules 20:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a move debate going on at Talk:Malcolm Wilkerson, regarding the last name of the family. — AldeBaer 19:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
In the setting section it mentions the show is much like The Simpons, because we don't know the setting..but everyone knows the Simpsons live in Springfield, Illinois on Evergreen Terrace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.223.240 ( talk) 20:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be an editor trying to revert war with me. Just letting editors know on the page to watch out. The Chatz user may cause a lot of edit warring on this article. Masta P 02:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
It seems that an edit war, including a WP:3RR violation, has been going on over whether the following is relevant to the article:
Another show with similarities to ''Malcolm In The Middle'' that uses no laugh track along with only one camera is ''[[Everybody Hates Chris]].''<ref>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0Cj-dmGZvaIJ:www.thefutoncritic.com/listings.aspx%3Fid%3D20070912cw01+single-camera+comedy+everybody+hates+chris&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us</ref> <ref>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:FWYgiCnI9G4J:sharetv.org/shows/everybody_hates_chris+Everybody+Hates+Chris+no+laugh+track&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us</ref>
I personally feel that this is irrelevant to the article, especially in the lead section, since EHC came after MitM. However, since it is apparently a contentious issue, I'd like to ask for opinions over whether it should be kept or not. mattbuck 10:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why this show (or any, for that matter) rates a lengthy list of names, with no context. Why are they notable? Did that actor's character change a regular character significantly? Is the actor related in a significant way to a regular cast member (i.e. the last name on the list is Kaczmarek's real husband, but that's the only name given any significance) Or is it just "for fun" to have the list (meaning, it's non encyclopedic and unneccessary). At the very least it ought to be formatted into several columns, because it's presently just a long long list of names to scroll past, "hey, we're famous people! we were on this show once! wheee!" 71.164.121.71 06:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a dispute as to whether the list of clips shown in the credits should be kept. I personally consider it to be non-notable trivia, and completely uncited. I would however accept that it has a place IF it were written in prose (rather than a list), and that all the items were cited. mattbuck ( talk) 03:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone is going around and deleting/creating articles on the individual episosodes again, probably a sock-puppet of User:TNN. The user is User:Mzaincontributor, deleting the bulk of the articles and leaving only a skeleton. Please, anybody with authority, restore the original content and block the vandal Mzaincontributor. Geĸrίtz ( talk) 12:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
See Red Dress (Malcolm in the Middle). A couple days ago it was a full episode description. Mzaincontributor pulled some trick that deleted the edit history, so we can't just revert. Same with the other episodes from the first season. I wonder what other vandalism Mzaincontributor is doing? Geĸrίtz ( talk)
I was sick of seeing such a long and redundent list of "Awards" that I copied the Friends page and used their format. This new way reduces space and it looks more presentable and easier to read. They used a smaller font on the Friends page, but you are welcome to return it to normal size if you think it looks better. Small5th ( talk) 06:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
In "Christmas" episode (3rd Season), Lois told Francis while he was at Alaka: "You're going to Whitehorse, you're going to the pharmacy and buy a Christmas card" "You'll visit your grandmother and you'll have a nice Christmas". Later, when Jamie was born, Ida went to Lois' house and said "I'm moving in" and said after that: "My house burned down, it's a mystery". However, we can suggest that, as on "Christmas" episode, her cigarette came out of her mouth and the the carpet burned and later the house. On the episode "Ida loses a leg", Lois goes with her mother to another apartment, so Ida, with no doubt, did'nt live with Susan after she went out of Lois' place when Jamie was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilanin ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
He referred to his family a couple of times, but actually, they only appeared only once ("Family Reunion") at Season 4, because on "Home Alone 4", they only mentioned Lois' nickname: "Lois common denominator". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilanin ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
season 6, episode 18....Ida and Lois say "Noroc!" thats romanian and means "cheers". So I guess it´s not polish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raketenaugust ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the three people fighting a giant turtle are men not women...... Maybe this should be changed???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.227.228.91 ( talk) 12:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BJ08 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr. or Ms. 71.204.24.194:
You changed my revision to the Malcolm in the Middle article. You may have been correct to do so, but how do you know? Both interpretations are equally plausible. What is the authority for your view?
I’ve made my change twice in good faith. Wouldn’t it be courteous for you to make some mention in the discussion of why you took them out?
If I don’t hear from you I’m going to protest your actions.
OK, I don't have any evidence that I'm correct, other than that it sounds on its face that I am. Since I can't prove it, I'm going to let your interpretation lay. I think it was rude of you to delete two of my changes without comment. It caused me to waste a lot of time. One of the Wiki rules, remember, is "Be polite". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.81.226 ( talk) 21:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC) Mastrude ( talk) 08:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
If you search the web for Krelboynes you'll find it used in other sites like tv.com. IMDB lists "Krelboyne Picnic" as an episode name, and Amazon lists it as a Scholastic Readers book. None of these are reliable sources, but they support the Krelboyne hypothesis. What support do you have for your Krell hypothesis? Xsmasher ( talk) 02:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is "Mohamud Yusuf" listed as a star of the show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.28.247 ( talk) 11:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Wonder why my revision of Fiver's second nightly screening was reverted to 'about 7.30' when it clearly airs at 7.35?
Otto, who runs the "Grotto" ist definitely NOT german! I don't know wich scandinavian country he's actually from, someone who knows, please edit! Maxeem Kammerer ( talk) 15:43, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
You missed jaime the 5th kid. (by Miguel Corral) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.36.181 ( talk) 02:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm questioning whether James and Lukas Rodriguez (Jamie) should be listed in the infobox as having a "starring" role. I realize they played a member of the main family but they were around for less than half the series and had exactly one line, as far as I can remember. I think their names should be removed. Thatotherperson ( talk) 06:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.cbssc.com/past-prod.htm
Taping of sound-stage shots took place in the CBS Radford studios. In addition to being on the studio's site as a past production, I can personally verify that filming, at least from season 4-5 took place on the lot. I visited during filming of a Chloris Leechman episode, walked through the house (interior), and visited the stables that Francis had on his final job. I also saw the school yard, which was on the east end of the lot, bordering Colfax Ave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.50.80.36 ( talk) 07:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Recent addition of the surname Wilkerson to this article. They did not have a surname in the series. Now, if I'm remembering correctly, the surname Wilkerson was on Francis's name tag in an early episode, and it was also referred to in the Season 1 DVD documentary, "A Stroke of Genius". I feel like this surname could be mentioned in the article, possibly in the premise section, but I strongly disagree with including it in the characters section as they were never referred to as the Wilkersons in the actual series. Melonkelon ( talk) 01:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Can someone mention the Breaking Bad Alternate Ending that shows Breaking Bad to be a dream Hal (from Malcom in the Middle) was having?
No Joke, this actually exists. [5] 86.46.193.66 ( talk) 13:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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The article says of Reese that "despite being unwilling to think, Reese is as much a genius as his brothers, though in less traditional or obvious ways," but later calls him "a complete moron by birth." These appear to be contradictory. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say he's unwilling to think, as though he's an intelligent person who is unintelligent by choice. He's portrayed throughout the entire series as below average intellectually. His natural talent as a chef doesn't really make him a "genius" on the level of Malcolm. Sadiemonster ( talk) 16:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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Under Production->Filming, the link for Colfax Elementary in North Hollywood points to Colfax Elementary in Pittsburgh PA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.251.101.184 ( talk) 13:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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I removed the statement "Although, in one episode Reese successfully managed to get all the answers wrong in that school year's final exams, so he wouldn't have to graduate and leave school for yet another year. This also means that he could have had a perfect score if he had wanted to, hinting at an above-average IQ" from Reese's section. This does not follow logically at all; just because Reese could produce obviously incorrect answers does not at all imply he could have arrived at the correct ones. Chris1435 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Bit late, but you're wrong - the questions were true/false. So by expertly revising so he could get all the questions wrong, he could of course have gotten 100%. 80.177.211.43 21:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
About the things in the opening sequence, I know where the head being assembeled came from. It was a thing about robots that was hosted by Scully from X-Files that I watched in school once, but I don't know what it was called. ??? 64.136.49.225 ( talk) 04:23, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
It says there are 5 children, but only 4 are listed in the cast. What gives? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 19:18, 26 July 2004 (UTC)
I don't know, but there are definitely five children.
Francis (oldest brother, works on a farm) Reese (second oldest, is in the army) Malcom (is a genius) Dewey (is actually the middle child now) Jamie (the baby)-- FarQPwnsJoo 03:50, 2 September 2004 (UTC)
I could swear they called the whole family the "Hies" (in the German syndicated episode where all the neighbours are celebrating a big street party because the "Hies" were absent). 83.65.123.15 ( talk) 15:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard that name applied to them (did I miss an episode?). I always assumed they were nameless (just as their town and state is). -- Yossarian 07:54, 5 November 2004 (UTC)
I remember them using the name wilkerson elsewhere in the show so I am not sure that it is as secret as this article makes it appear-mfair4d
in the episode when hal became the leader of the home owners group he was showing his business card to lois and they read 'president Wilkerson' when looking at it(couldnt find its name in the episodelist) Cleverca22 04:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
While 15 may be the "typical" minimum age, it is not universal. My daughter is 14, and will be getting her permit next week. This is North Dakota, and I know that, in some states, you have to be 16. 24.220.106.110 ( talk) 00:23, 8 July 2005 (UTC)
Actually 16 is the normal minimum age, only a few states(I think less than 5) have it lower than that. So 15 is not typical, 16 is. Spyke 01:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
16 is the normal minimum age for a DRIVER'S LICENSE. 15 is typical for a learner's permit. TeamGoon 04:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
i recived my learners permit in IL at 15, but couldn't get my full liscence till i was 16. 70.224.62.230 ( talk) 21:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the family is from Minneapolis because on an episode called "monkey," after Reese batted a home intruder, he was honored with a cap that has the acronym MPD. I searched it that lead me to the Minneapolis Police Department. The family must then be from Minneapolis. However this does damage the claim that Hal had driven four hours to get to Francais' military school after refusing to be his alibi in other episode because Minnesota that state where Minneapolis is is up north while Alabama is way down south making that trip impossible. Also being from Minneapolis, Minnesota does diminish the other claim that it takes Francais eight hours to visit them from Texas. So maybe where the family is from is as fictional and non-existing as the family. Another possibility on where the family is from is they might from Montgomery, Alabama since the police department also uses MPD. It also fit the traveling time frame diffrence. This however does take away from show's satire of the south especially in that episode where Francais volunteered at a beauty pageant. 66.65.170.201 ( talk) 12:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
"MPD" means they could be from any city that starts with "M". Doesn't have to be Minniapolis or Montgomery, but literally any "M" city. -- Omninode 10:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
On that note, the reference about the Arizona Cardinals water bottle probably shouldn't be a reference - many times, we've seen American football pennants and other merchandise in the boys' room. 86.7.133.42 ( talk) 14:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Um, hasn't there been more than one episode that showed a California license plate on Hal's car? I know the one where the bee was coming after him for revenge after Hal destroyed his nest showed the plate fairly clearly.
Whoops. On reviewing that episode, Hal's is actually a license plate from a ficticious state. I can't make out the second work in the fake state, but the first one is "Cherokee."
There is an episode where the family drives to Burning Man, in an RV borrowed from one of Hal's co-workers. The license plate is Californian.
--- you can't really count license plates as proof since the show is shot in california they are going to have californian license plates.
In the episode "Vegas" Lois is mad at Hal and when they are leaving Hal asks, "Ten hours of silence?" meaning they live about ten hours from Las Vegas, NV.
They also live somewhere with warm weather year around. In the christmas episode there is no snow and there hasnt been snow in any episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.89.174 ( talk) 20:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Just like to say this (and I will edit the page, correcting this error) the prosthetic face wasn't a prosthetic face being constructed. It was in an episode where the people at Francis's military school found out his was birthday and traditionally shaved all the hair of his body. He had a date that night so he started to use a marker to draw hair. So while I see where you could easily mistake that I thought you would like to know why I'm editing this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slipp ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The person who wrote the above text must have a screw loose, when the guy is referencing a prosthetic face he is talking about the opening credits where two hands push two parts of a head upwards and together, this clip is ovbiously a clip from a sci-film or TV show. 84.66.181.223 ( talk) 01:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Its never going to be said where they live. Their just going to give clues that contradict with eachother.
Hey! After spending a good solid weekend researching all the sources of information for the Opening Title sequence almost a year ago, Ive returned to see if any discsussion has arose from my hard work. Reading the above, I have replace the mistake of the Prosthetic Face thingy (i had no idea how to describe it) back into the article in hope that one day someone will come across and fill in the blank, as well as for the skiing dude on fire - the best sample ever!
Ok, the blank has finally been filled. The "prosthetic face" is actually the head of a robot that is being assembled in the episode "Liar!" from the BBC series "Out of the Unknown". Stills can be found at [1]. Credit where credit is due... I found the link between Malcolm in the Middle and this TV episode at [2]. -- Larryingram4924 04:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Didn't one of the episodes win a certain award? I thought it was the bowling episode were the screen is split in half throughout, displaying what would happen if Malcom went bowling with his mum or dad. I couldn't see any information about it in the artcile. Zooba 14:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Yep. The bowling episode won an Emmy
If Boys Were Girls also won an Emmy.
This article has no references, so why is it listed as a good article? One of the criteria for a Good article is references -- ChessManXI 11:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
God Damn it! There must be references! REFERENCES!!!!!
There should be more infomation on the characters. A LOT MORE! AND GOOD EXTERNAL LINKS. I LOVE TE SHOW AND I WANT THE PAGE TO BE GOOD! Imzy
Each main character has there own page. Wikipedia thinks that is enough. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_in_the_middle#External_links Tjpeople
"Bryan Cranston (Hal), Justin Berfield (Reese) and Erik Per Sullivan (Dewey) are the only actors to appear in every episode."
What? Has there been any episodes that Malcolm himself wasn't in? Elaborate? LR 212.242.32.26 ( talk) 18:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
He was in that episode, but only for a few seconds right at the end
This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because it does not cite its sources. Extraordinary Machine 16:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I just signed up being interested in the wikipedia project. So, please be gentile. Why does answers.com have this exact article posted on their website? Isn't this wikipedia unique content? http://www.answers.com/topic/malcolm-in-the-middle —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ausme0 ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the proper forum to ask, but I have tried looking everywhere else and can't figure it out. Does anyone know the name of the episod where Malcolm takes on a teacher who is giving the students grades for names, and malcolm ends the experiment by pushing all of the students over the edge by making them recite prime numbers? that stuck with me somehow, and I can't find the name. 69.180.146.181 ( talk) 23:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Episode 302 (second episode of season 3) "Emancipation" is the episode that introduced ex-Krelboyne Lionel Herkabe (played by Chris Eigeman), who tried to create class competition by calling on the kids by a dynamically-changing class rank, posted in front of the class together with their grades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray921 ( talk • contribs) 05:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
This shows seems similiar to the Wonder Years. A suburban boy who's character started the show in middle school. He talks to the audience (similar to the voice overs with "older Kevin" in the Wonder Years. His best friend Stevie is similar to Kevin's best friend in that Kevin's best friend was allergic to so much and very smart, just as stevie is very smart (though moved to second place in the smart class when Malcolm was added) and has problems breathing and is in a wheelchair. I think there are probably other similiarites also.I remember thinking about how similar the show was to the Wonder Years when I first saw it, and I think I rember others talking about it, too. Anyway, do you think it is appropiate to make a section about the similarities? User:Crd721 10:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
this show is not like the Wonder Years whatsoever so please don't —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tonetare ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC).
Should this link specifically redirect here? The word is a lot older than this series. The 1960 film The Little Shop of Horrors has a character surnamed Krelboyne (according to the IMDb, the naming of the Krelboynes on this series is a reference to the film), and the article on that film says that the surname is also a slang term for a nerd or dweeb. ( Ibaranoff24 23:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC))
What is a krelboyne? why would they use that name from a movie for a this show? and just... I never heard this. could someone explain the whole usage of krelboyne to me please. Tonetare 22:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The characters in this show refer to Malcolm's gifted class as the "krelboyne class," and as a shorthad for geek or gifted. I can't recall an adult in the show using the term though - is this the official name of the class, or just what the boys / students call it? Xsmasher ( talk) 17:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
These sections need an extensive rewrite. There are numerous errors and it is generally poorly written. The ridiculously long sentences need to be changed also. Someone with a good knowledge of the show should rewrite these to an acceptable standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.213.150 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 18 June 2006
I know that the song "Older" was indeed in the show somewhere, but I can't remember where. If anybody could help me by telling me which episode and part of the episode the song older was in that would be great. User:Slipp 21:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
This article really doesnt say what the show is about. As a fan of the show i find this article very inadequate. I think the overview should make it more clear it is essentially about how the interesting characters of the family deal with everyday events. The humor of the show tends to be driven by the traits and realtionships of the main characters more so then because any "action" is happening plotwise. For this reason I think the sections describing the characters need to be really improved and detail thier essential personality traits instead of telling what happens to them plotwise like it does now. For example Lois's never ending desire to always do what she believes is right despite if the unintended consequences end up being more substantial then what was corrected is a recuring theme in at least half the episodes of the series. This is key to understanding the concept of whole show and is much more important then to mention things like specific plot points or what her employment is which frankly are inconsequential spoilers which should be deleted. Not understanding this focus on the characters is the explanation for comments like below were people say the show isnt funny.
The focus on characters with the plot sometimes seemingly about nothing important to me really is reminiscient of Seinfeld - except it is a family not adults. I borrowed this from Wikipedia on Seinfeld. I think this can almost word for word describe Malcolm in the Middle as well:
"Another attribute that makes Seinfeld exceptional is that in almost every episode, several story threads are presented at the beginning, generally involving the various characters in separate and unrelated situations, which then converge and are interwoven towards the end of the episode in an ironic fashion. Due to the densely-plotted construction of the storylines, attempts to summarize the action in a given script are generally more verbose than one would expect for a sitcom. Despite any separate plot strands, the narratives show "consistent efforts to maintain [the] intimacy" between the small cast of characters. "Much of Seinfeld's plot and humor hinge on outside personalities threatening—and ultimately failing—to invade the foursome, ... especially where Jerry and George are concerned." (Gantz 2000" 24.147.160.12 ( talk) 17:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I also disagree with some other posters below that the family is disfunctional and I think that description should be removed from the article. Compared to so many other TV familys it is practically a model - thier are 2 parents who both have jobs and actually give a damn. I think people confuse thier individual disfunctional personalities (which is basically what the show is about) with saying it is a disfunctional family. It isnt the same. 24.147.160.12 ( talk) 11:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Ukraine? do we care?
Also, some wikipedia adict left the final paragraph reading:
"Not much is known about Victor, except that he left his home at a young age and that he was in the war. Victor had another family, but kept it a secret from Ida. This family was introduced dur"
Not even "dur......Aaaaagh!"
Can the previous be restored? Not to mention that it says "this family." They're all related!-- 24.27.26.179 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Carlos
I don't like the fact that Ida was racist on the show. Wasn't her personality bad enough without having to have her be racist. A person can be only so hateful Tonetare 22:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What the hell are you guys talking about? Cite your sources when giving your stupid opinions! You people are idiots. Ida? Racist? Go back and sneak under your rock... LOTRrules 20:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
im pretty sure the animated guy on the hoverboard in the opening credits is from the flash gordan animated TV series, but im not 100% sure. "In 1996, Hearst Entertainment premiered a Flash Gordon (TV Series) animated television series. This version turned Flash and Dale into skateboarding teen-agers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Gordon 70.224.62.230 ( talk) 21:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
also i think the dude on fire running into the tree is from the "Wide World of Sports" TV show from australia. see http://www.jumptheshark.com/w/wideworldofsports.htm first note. i think also Ask Yahoo did a thing on it. http://ask.yahoo.com/20060213.html, is that the same thing? 216.43.215.230 ( talk) 03:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a mystery section in the article. Right after it, there is another section explaining how the location of the family is a mystery. WTF? Wouldn't it make more sense for the location to be a subsection of the former? Lgrinberg 02:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Also- the mystery over Jamies gender is actually pretty stupid as it clearly states in some episodes that he is a boy and in the article itself it contradicts it. Conor 15:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The main article lists it as being in Texas. Can anyone confirm that? There was an episode in either season 4 or 5, in which The Grotto has to lay off a bunch of workers because tourists are flocking to nearby Roswell. Wouldn't that indicate that the ranch is in New Mexico? 72.72.145.114 ( talk) 21:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I always thought that it was in New Mexico, not only because it is near Roswell, but also because Otto and some other employees have a symbol on thier uniforms that is similar, if not identical, to the New Mexican flag.
I do not know the reason why "Malcolm in the Middle" ended. Low ratings? Because they decided to call it quits? Why was this show taken off the air? Could someone who knows the story please give me an answer? This is very sad. Especially since there do not seem to be plans to release the other seasons on DVD. C&R 19:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Concerning Dewey's age: I remember an episode where Dewey started his first day of school, in which he also learns how to play the piano (in 15 minutes a day). I'm pretty sure they mentioned it was his first day of first grade, except I am almost positive that this occurs at least in season 3 or after. It appears to contradict the fact that Dewey started his first day of first grade in the first season. I don't remember the details very well, but what are your opinions on Dewey's age?
hangfromthefloor 21:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
--Short answer: The show was supposed to be about kids, and they aren't kids anymore. --Long answer: The show ended because it was about Malcolm being in the middle of his family. They kept finding ways to keep Francis a part of the show and, in the last two seasons, reasons to keep Reese around, but once Malcolm graduated high school it simply wouldn't make sense to continue. The dynamic of the show was heavily based on the relationships of adolescent siblings. If they are all working or in college the basis of the show no longer exists. Remember Boy Meets World...somehow Mr. Feeny manages to to stay with the group from elementary school all the way past college...it gets a little stale after a while. I was a big fan of Malcolm but I agree that this was the perfect time to end it. How can we be told Malcolm is a genius for 7 years and then not see him go off to a prestigous college after graduation? It had to end.
In the trivia part of the article, it says that the character Jason Alexander played in friends sold toner over the phone when infact, it was pheobe who was selling toner . Earl was the 'office supplies manager' and did not sell toner, merely he was the customer18:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
20:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I reworded this section....this was what was previously there which was interesting but unencyclopedic:
No, most of this is wrong. The show is set in California, due to the license plates, and the house they film the family in is situated in Cantura street, Studio City, California (my cousins live 3 house from where they film it). ( Justinboden86 02:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
Where your cousins live constitutes "original research" by Wikinerdia standards. Nanny nanny boo boo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.65.143 ( talk) 20:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a difference between where the show is filmed and where it is set. You are correct the show is filmed in California there is no debate (see: http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1249) there however where it is set is up for alot of debate and is never made explicit. See discussion here http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=457 Tjpeople ( talk) 20:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The sheer amount in this article is ridiculous. The Trivia, mysteries and character age sections should be removed entirely, and the setting section should be severely shortened. It also needs much more content on the development of the show, production etc. I'll wait for people to reply of course, but i'll certainly remove it at some point. Essentially it reads like a fansite. The character segment is also far too long, particularly as many have their own articles and alot of it is once again very unencyclopedic speculation. Edit: I removed a lot of it, course it's always there if anyone wants to incorporate any of the info into the rest of the article Slydevil 19:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that was a bit naughty of me. Thought I would take the 'be bold' thing to new heights. It was slightly more to spur the discussion on quicker before I forgot about this. Thanks though Slydevil 23:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi: I removed the "Characters" section, as there are already main articles on all of the main characters; I based this revision on the "That 70's Show" article, in which the main article itself merely links the characters and their real names to the articles about them. This article was way too long, and I agree, too fansite-ish. I also added a bit about Craig and Jamie, to flesh out the Secondary Characters section so it didn't need to be deleted altogether. I won't even try to take on the Trivia and such yet. If you all don't agree with the changes, feel free to simply revert them completely; however, I think the summary of each main character in addition to entire separate articles is overkill. Oh, and I also took out the "dysfunctional" bit in the main article; that is a harsh judgement of a family I would have loved to have. No one in the family drank excessively, physically abused anyone, neglected the children or had any lack of love for them. This is not a dysfunctional family, and the show doesn't need to be labeled as that (as "Roseanne" didn't deserve that label, either). Weiwuweix 03:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
Article is looking good to me now (removed some of the more arguable content, such as references to dynfunctionality, extra info that's irrelevant and uncitable), and now I think it's looking really good. I was looking into renominating it for "Good" status....but that seems to be above my head. Can someone else do that, and see if the "tone" disclaimer can be taken off yet? Weiwuweix 21:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
Removed the "evil" sentence, although I'm not sure how to reword that or why it needed it (it was hinted at many times in a lot of episodes, so I didn't see it necessary to cite....?). Actually, does anyone object to me removing some of the section "broadcast history" such as what channel it *was* shown on when it was aired? Even if some are current listings for syndicated reruns, it's not "encyclopedic" and they're probably all expired listings anyways. This would cut WAY down on the bulk AND the need for citation (nothing in that section is cited, and wouldn't be worth looking for citation, anyways). I'll wait a few days to do this; I don't really see a reason to leave it, though. Weiwuweix 02:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
See, the thing about the channel listings is that, besides listing the network (not channel number) that it was premiered on, it has no use. Even if the "channel" listings are current, Wiki isn't a TV Guide, you know? The channel listings add nothing to us "knowing" or "learning" about the show. Saying "It premiered on Fox in the US, and BBC4 (or whatever) in the UK, as well as "TeleSpain" in latin america" etc, would be fine, but saying "in italy it is on channel 4. In England it is on channel 6. In Russia it's on channel 9"----what's that adding? Wiki isn't supposed to be the end-all-be-all of every single bit of info on MitM, it's supposed to be the "relevant" info, right?
Will try to find an example of Jamie being "evil" to cite. And, as far as the "secondary characters" section, it can completely go, IMHO. I only added the Craig and Jamie stuff because I didn't want to just completely delete the Victor and Ida stuff (which wasn't mine, so I was being safe). It can stand to go, though. Weiwuweix 00:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Sarah S.
Edit: *Bashes head on table*, someone just expanded the awards section. I really don't think it's a good idea, per the reasons stated above. Perhaps changing the section to 'achievements' would be better? I reckon we should leave it, until we get more info on the production of the show, origins, impact on popular culture, writing etc..Things like that. Anybody willing to do a hunt? Not forgetting the format section needs expanding. Slydevil 03:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
There needs to be more info on production and where they show MITM currently and before (IMPORTANT). Imzy 18:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
As the article says currently there is no news on the DVD release of seasons 2-7. There have been various illegal site selling them, but no official releases. If you have more information of release dates remember to include references.
One reassuring thing is that they are listed on NetFlicks Tjpeople 15:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Season 2 is on Amazon.com but it hasn't been released yet 15:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't Malcolm in the Middle a cross American/Canadian production? A friend of mine worked on the production and they are adimant that the sitcom is not American (or at least, not fully American). 90.240.156.176 ( talk) 22:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Its not true that the cold open is always unrelated to the main program; in Traffic Jam, the cold open is the family leaving a water park (after receiving a lifetime ban) and Malcolm saying that he envied Dewey being at home with the baby sitter. Its then a cut to Dewey asking a scarecrow for help to get back home; this sets up the main part - Dewey's journey home and the rest of the family's trip and getting stuck in a traffic jam.
Perhaps rephrasing the sentence to something like ...the cold open was, in most cases, unrelated to the main part of the episode.
Apepper 18:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that we should change the episode length from 22 minutes to 21 minutes because almost all episodes are 20-21 minutes long not 22.
Thanks, 82.30.11.226 10:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I thought the list of guest stars might be too hard to read as they were crammed together - some of which I couldn't make out - so I created a list of guest stars by putting bulllet points on it. I think the article is better that way. Any quesries just reply to this or go to my talk page... LOTRrules 20:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a move debate going on at Talk:Malcolm Wilkerson, regarding the last name of the family. — AldeBaer 19:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
In the setting section it mentions the show is much like The Simpons, because we don't know the setting..but everyone knows the Simpsons live in Springfield, Illinois on Evergreen Terrace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.223.240 ( talk) 20:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be an editor trying to revert war with me. Just letting editors know on the page to watch out. The Chatz user may cause a lot of edit warring on this article. Masta P 02:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
It seems that an edit war, including a WP:3RR violation, has been going on over whether the following is relevant to the article:
Another show with similarities to ''Malcolm In The Middle'' that uses no laugh track along with only one camera is ''[[Everybody Hates Chris]].''<ref>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0Cj-dmGZvaIJ:www.thefutoncritic.com/listings.aspx%3Fid%3D20070912cw01+single-camera+comedy+everybody+hates+chris&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us</ref> <ref>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:FWYgiCnI9G4J:sharetv.org/shows/everybody_hates_chris+Everybody+Hates+Chris+no+laugh+track&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us</ref>
I personally feel that this is irrelevant to the article, especially in the lead section, since EHC came after MitM. However, since it is apparently a contentious issue, I'd like to ask for opinions over whether it should be kept or not. mattbuck 10:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why this show (or any, for that matter) rates a lengthy list of names, with no context. Why are they notable? Did that actor's character change a regular character significantly? Is the actor related in a significant way to a regular cast member (i.e. the last name on the list is Kaczmarek's real husband, but that's the only name given any significance) Or is it just "for fun" to have the list (meaning, it's non encyclopedic and unneccessary). At the very least it ought to be formatted into several columns, because it's presently just a long long list of names to scroll past, "hey, we're famous people! we were on this show once! wheee!" 71.164.121.71 06:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a dispute as to whether the list of clips shown in the credits should be kept. I personally consider it to be non-notable trivia, and completely uncited. I would however accept that it has a place IF it were written in prose (rather than a list), and that all the items were cited. mattbuck ( talk) 03:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone is going around and deleting/creating articles on the individual episosodes again, probably a sock-puppet of User:TNN. The user is User:Mzaincontributor, deleting the bulk of the articles and leaving only a skeleton. Please, anybody with authority, restore the original content and block the vandal Mzaincontributor. Geĸrίtz ( talk) 12:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
See Red Dress (Malcolm in the Middle). A couple days ago it was a full episode description. Mzaincontributor pulled some trick that deleted the edit history, so we can't just revert. Same with the other episodes from the first season. I wonder what other vandalism Mzaincontributor is doing? Geĸrίtz ( talk)
I was sick of seeing such a long and redundent list of "Awards" that I copied the Friends page and used their format. This new way reduces space and it looks more presentable and easier to read. They used a smaller font on the Friends page, but you are welcome to return it to normal size if you think it looks better. Small5th ( talk) 06:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
In "Christmas" episode (3rd Season), Lois told Francis while he was at Alaka: "You're going to Whitehorse, you're going to the pharmacy and buy a Christmas card" "You'll visit your grandmother and you'll have a nice Christmas". Later, when Jamie was born, Ida went to Lois' house and said "I'm moving in" and said after that: "My house burned down, it's a mystery". However, we can suggest that, as on "Christmas" episode, her cigarette came out of her mouth and the the carpet burned and later the house. On the episode "Ida loses a leg", Lois goes with her mother to another apartment, so Ida, with no doubt, did'nt live with Susan after she went out of Lois' place when Jamie was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilanin ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
He referred to his family a couple of times, but actually, they only appeared only once ("Family Reunion") at Season 4, because on "Home Alone 4", they only mentioned Lois' nickname: "Lois common denominator". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilanin ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
season 6, episode 18....Ida and Lois say "Noroc!" thats romanian and means "cheers". So I guess it´s not polish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raketenaugust ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the three people fighting a giant turtle are men not women...... Maybe this should be changed???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.227.228.91 ( talk) 12:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BJ08 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr. or Ms. 71.204.24.194:
You changed my revision to the Malcolm in the Middle article. You may have been correct to do so, but how do you know? Both interpretations are equally plausible. What is the authority for your view?
I’ve made my change twice in good faith. Wouldn’t it be courteous for you to make some mention in the discussion of why you took them out?
If I don’t hear from you I’m going to protest your actions.
OK, I don't have any evidence that I'm correct, other than that it sounds on its face that I am. Since I can't prove it, I'm going to let your interpretation lay. I think it was rude of you to delete two of my changes without comment. It caused me to waste a lot of time. One of the Wiki rules, remember, is "Be polite". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.81.226 ( talk) 21:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC) Mastrude ( talk) 08:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
If you search the web for Krelboynes you'll find it used in other sites like tv.com. IMDB lists "Krelboyne Picnic" as an episode name, and Amazon lists it as a Scholastic Readers book. None of these are reliable sources, but they support the Krelboyne hypothesis. What support do you have for your Krell hypothesis? Xsmasher ( talk) 02:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is "Mohamud Yusuf" listed as a star of the show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.28.247 ( talk) 11:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Wonder why my revision of Fiver's second nightly screening was reverted to 'about 7.30' when it clearly airs at 7.35?
Otto, who runs the "Grotto" ist definitely NOT german! I don't know wich scandinavian country he's actually from, someone who knows, please edit! Maxeem Kammerer ( talk) 15:43, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
You missed jaime the 5th kid. (by Miguel Corral) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.36.181 ( talk) 02:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm questioning whether James and Lukas Rodriguez (Jamie) should be listed in the infobox as having a "starring" role. I realize they played a member of the main family but they were around for less than half the series and had exactly one line, as far as I can remember. I think their names should be removed. Thatotherperson ( talk) 06:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.cbssc.com/past-prod.htm
Taping of sound-stage shots took place in the CBS Radford studios. In addition to being on the studio's site as a past production, I can personally verify that filming, at least from season 4-5 took place on the lot. I visited during filming of a Chloris Leechman episode, walked through the house (interior), and visited the stables that Francis had on his final job. I also saw the school yard, which was on the east end of the lot, bordering Colfax Ave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.50.80.36 ( talk) 07:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Recent addition of the surname Wilkerson to this article. They did not have a surname in the series. Now, if I'm remembering correctly, the surname Wilkerson was on Francis's name tag in an early episode, and it was also referred to in the Season 1 DVD documentary, "A Stroke of Genius". I feel like this surname could be mentioned in the article, possibly in the premise section, but I strongly disagree with including it in the characters section as they were never referred to as the Wilkersons in the actual series. Melonkelon ( talk) 01:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Can someone mention the Breaking Bad Alternate Ending that shows Breaking Bad to be a dream Hal (from Malcom in the Middle) was having?
No Joke, this actually exists. [5] 86.46.193.66 ( talk) 13:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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Under Production->Filming, the link for Colfax Elementary in North Hollywood points to Colfax Elementary in Pittsburgh PA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.251.101.184 ( talk) 13:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)