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Anyone know why Hooper's review on ME in J Clin Pathol was retracted? 78.151.113.7 ( talk) 10:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
It wasn't Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 13:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I obtained the following degrees from the Faculty of Medicine, University of London, B.Pharm. (1956), Ph.D. (1959). By election I received C.Chem. MRIC in 1963.
1959: Appointed Lecturer in Pharmaceutical and Medicinal Chemistry, School of Pharmacy, Sunderland Technical College.
1963: Appointed Senior Lecturer in Pharmaceutical and Medicinal Chemistry, School of Pharmacy, Sunderland Technical College.
October 1969: Appointed Reader in Pharmaceutical and Medicinal Chemistry, School of Pharmacy, Sunderland Polytechnic.
March 1982: Appointed Professor of Medicinal Chemistry, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Sunderland Polytechnic.
August 1992: Retired as Professor of Medicinal Chemistry.
September 1993: Appointed Emeritus Professor at the University of Sunderland.
Throughout this period I taught students of pharmacy, pharmacology, and pharmaceutical and chemical analysis at honours degree level.
I also directed research at masters and particularly doctoral level. I supervised some 21 Ph. D. students in all.
I have served as an examiner at many UK universities, and universities in India and Tanzania, at graduate and postgraduate level.
I inaugurated links with Indian research institutions and universities and this year we celebrate the 25th Anniversary of these productive and ongoing links which particularly involved the design and development of new drugs for tropical diseases and an exploration of natural products associated with Ayurvedic medicine.
I have published some 50 papers in peer reviewed journals in the field of medicinal chemistry together with major reviews on the Chemotherapy of Leprosy, the Chemistry of Isatogens. I have edited one book on the Chemotherapy of Tropical Diseases.
I have acted as a referee for a number of important journals and served on one editorial board.
I have served on Committees of the Council for National Academic Awards, CNAA, World Health Organisation, Science and Engineering Research Council.
I am a member of a number of learned societies including the Royal Chemical Society, the British Pharmacological Society, and the Society for Drug Research, SDR, (now renamed as the Society for Medicines Research). For over 12 years I was on the committee of the SDR and served as Chairman for 2 years. This involved the planning and organising of major national and international conferences.
I have been appointed Chief Scientific Advisor to the Gulf Veterans Association, GVA, and accepted by the Ministry of Defence as their nominee on the Independent Panel established to consider the possible interactions between Vaccines and NAPS tablets. I also serve on the Gulf Support Group convened at the Royal British Legion. My involvement with the GVA brought me in contact with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, CFS/ME, and related disorders. Gulf War Illness/Syndrome, GWI/S, has much in common with CFS/ME.
I am now a patron of the Sunderland and South Shields ME Association and a member of the Newcastle Research Group which includes eminent physicians and scientists carrying out research into ME-CFS. One recent aspect of this work is the identification of organochlorine pesticide poisoning being misdiagnosed as ME-CFS.
As a consequence of my work with Gulf War Veterans I have also been brought into contact with organophosphate poisoned farmers, pesticide operatives and some scientists in this area. This in turn has lead to me giving addresses at meetings organised by the Pesticide Exchange network and being consulted by OPIN (organophosphate information network).
I have been interested and associated with the Autism Research Unit, University of Sunderland, for over 20 years with a growing involvement as the biochemical studies began to emerge and suggest new ways of offering help, support and treatment for people with autism.
In conjunction with the Autism Research Unit I am involved in some preliminary studies on Gulf War Veterans, ME-CFS sufferers, and organophosphate poisoned farmers and operatives. This research takes the form of urine analysis for IAG (indolylacroylglycine) an unusual metabolite found in, in excess, in over 90% of the people examined so far in these different groups. Whilst this research is in its early stages it does point to a common underlying biochemical disorder that can be addressed by dietary changes and supplementation.
I have a longstanding ministry as a Christian lay leader, preacher and teacher both locally, regionally and nationally. I served on the General Synod of the Church of England from 1970-1980.
As a voluntary leader I have been, or am involved, in three major campaigns concerned with the environment.
Against toxic waste dumping in a disused local colliery- it is now a major recreational site in Sunderland.
Currently I lead CASSS (Campaign Against Sewage in the Sea at Sunderland) which with Seaham Environmental Association (SEA) have helped to achieve major changes in the quality of sewage treatment and disposal. We submitted evidence to the Select Committee on Sewage Treatment and Disposal and have met with the Minister of State for the Environment, Michael Meacher, on two occasions.
As Chief Scientific Adviser to the Gulf War Veterans I submitted 45 pages of written evidence and gave oral evidence to the recent Select Committee on Defence.
Ward20 ( talk) 23:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Please do not remove notability tag, he is not notable as academic, notability over all is an other issue. Oh and pls investinme is not a reliable source. Thx, RetroS1mone talk 04:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
"Pro organic" is a bias, researchers that say psych factors are not real and they attack psych professionals, they are not pro organic, they are not in medical consensus, saying psych disorders are usually organic. This bias against psych is a common thing in people that do not understand psych and do not want to think they could have a psych disorder bc of social biasses. It is common for alot of people that have psych disorders like hypochondriasis, Lancet review 2004 Barsky and Ahern. These bias words should not go in htis article. RetroS1mone talk 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Sam Weller says he does not have COI, OK I believe that, Ward20 is also putting in things here and at David Sheffield Bell i think say he has a COI. How does Ward20 know so much about David Sheffield Bell and other people they call "pro organic" w/o reliable sources? When a person that is involved in this conteroversy editing these articles, that is a COI and it is dishonest when a person does not admit it. I said before I do not have a COI, Sam Weller said he does not have a COI, does Ward20 say there is no COI, is not involved or a person in these conteroversies?? RetroS1mone talk 18:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Once you log in as guest to The University of Sunderland, The Graduate Research School you can search for Hooper. The information is: Qualifications, BPharm (Bachelor of Pharmacy), PhD (Doctor of Philosophy), MRSC (MRSC), and CChem (Chartered Chemist).
He is Professor Emeritus, the above source does not mention former anything. Ward20 ( talk) 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Professor Malcolm Hooper (as Chief Scientific Adviser to the Gulf War Veterans) [3] Ward20 ( talk) 21:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious why the last two bullets in the External Links section were removed. I certainly didn't review them thoroughly, but they appeared to be suitable links to relevant material. -- Rob ( talk) 21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to move the discussion to the appropriate page, since it seems to be spanning multiple Talk pages at the moment. It has been put forth that Malcolm Hooper is clearly an activist, and I have no issue with that statement, but due to its negative connotations, I've changed the word "activism" to "advocacy" until such time as we can find something that refers to him clearly as an "activist". While I do have CFS, I honestly don't know the person, have never seen or read anything by him that I'm aware of (beyond quick fact-checking and a glance at the External Links), so I make this change strictly for presentation and NPOV purposes until such time as activism can be properly sourced. -- Rob ( talk) 21:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I have issues with the statement about a vendetta. Was there one? Well, according to The Guardian, yes. But the word "vendetta" is only mentioned twice:
The first one mentions only a vendetta by a group of patients - Hooper isn't a patient. The second one makes reference to "the vendetta", which presumably refers back to the same vendetta as the first mention. Hooper isn't even mentioned by name until much later in the article, though he's alluded to as a "professor emeritus" once before that.
Does anybody have a different interpretation of this article? If not, the line should either be removed (which would make the entire section so small that I think we might well be able to remove it entirely), or it should be re-written to more accurately reflect what is stated in the article. -- Rob ( talk) 16:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
In 2002, The Guardian reported on the conflict over the nature of CFS/ME and whether there is an ongoing pathological process in the illness, contrasting advocates of a biological/psychological basis, such as Hooper, De Merleir, and Komaroff versus advocates of a psychosocial basis, such as Professor Simon Wessely. Hooper states that growing scientific work shows extensive change and injury to the neuro-endocrine-immune systems of patients. He also described biochemical dysfunction, and physiological changes in the bodies of patients. [4]
He is the medical adviser for The Grace Charity for M.E. [5]. Hooper has authored an academic review on the subject which was published in the Journal of Clinical Pathology. [1]
(outdent) Ward20 is indeed wrong about the "fired off his salvo" comment in that the journalist uses that to describe Hoopers actions. But as Ward20 points out, a newspaper will often use sensationalist wording, which we're not supposed to do at Wikipedia.
Also, I never even remotely threatened to edit war. My point was only that Wikipedia considers it so important that a biography of a living person be neutral, non-biased and non-libellous that they're willing to overlook WP:3RR. In fact, in case you miss it in one place, they tell it to you again in the other. And as I've said over and over again, I deleted that section temporarily and in accordance with policy while we have a consensus discussion, which is a key part of Wikipedia's philosophy. -- Rob ( talk) 23:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Okay, our BLPN topic seems to have only garnered input from the various editors here. What are peoples' thoughts on this at this point? Should we wait for a bit and see if my recent notice gets anybody's attention, or shall we try to come to an agreement here? -- Rob ( talk) 06:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Nowhere is there recognition of the attacks against ME specialists who argued for a neurological diagnosis of ME (Pinching, Shepherd, Goudsmit). His response to calm attempts to correct errors was to accuse critics of villification and character assassination etc. But he was the one villifying. He sometimes went beyond mere internet attacks. He was the main author of a submission to have Goudsmit struck off the register of the BPS. He fabricated evidence to do so and suggested that the respected authority, Dr Melvin Ramsay, had discussed her diagnosis with a third party and therefore breached GMC rules. Ramsay was not Goudsmit's doctor, as he alleged, but co-author of a paper on the Royal Free outbreak (cf Axford's Abode.) Obviously, it was easy to challenge these untruths and the BPS cleared her without a tribunal. But the hundreds of pages, including emails from a person who did not know Goudsmit to another person who did not know Goudsmit, noting that neither liked the psychologist, was not compelling and certainly not evidence of unprofessional behavior or incompetence. It is curious that he believes himself to be a Christian. Christians do not fabricate evidence and engage in a sustained attempt to discredit a scientist who shared his views on ME. In short, Hooper didn't always check facts, he plagiarized (e.g. in an essay included someone else's analysis of denial and did not credit the author as the source), and he never apologized. The end result of the unjust criticism of the ME specialists was to give the anti-ME doctors a free run. Re his contribution to the ME community, the jury is out. All of his victims, bar White and Wessely, fared badly. They retired, or lost the respect they once had, making them almost impotent in the eyes of many decision makers. Hence the easy ride given to those promoting CBT and GET.
Why did he embark on this very lay, 'angry man' course of action against patients with degrees? Anyone who really wanted to promote ME as a neurological disorder would not undermine the work and reputation of those doing the same. Wessely, an acknowledged member of the anti-ME fanclub, often rewrote history. But so did Hooper. Wessely describes the distortion of evidence by Hooper and Williams on his website [2].
An apology to those working for ME patients would be appropriate and he needs to take down all posts relating to Pinching, Shepherd and Goudsmit from the MEActionUK website. That would be what a decent person would do. He was asked to make things right (by Invest in ME) but refused. Readers deserve to know of the other side to this man. If you believe in fairness, that is. Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 20:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)18:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Someone is very keen to present a rosy picture of a person. bit like the CIA retracting everything mildly dodgy. Wiki and the CIA. Both can't cope with properly cited evidence which balances the view to the public. and you want a donation for that? shame. No attempt at balance. My edits, with references: all removed. I'd amended it to remove anything that might conceivably be contentious and speculative. Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 13:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Edited an amendment to stop the whitewash. Whoever deleted original lost formatting. Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 13:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Be fair. Although I have cited the odd paper to support the value of pacing etc, there's virtually nothing about me and from me on Wiki. Most of it is on this page. I have published about the PACE trial ever since I saw the protocol and have had letters challenging the trial and the findings published in journals like the Lancet. Your suggestion that I have not been active in challenging the PACE trial etc is misplaced. Look me up in PubMed and see. Objective evidence; don't take my word for it. Try, for example, searching for Goudsmit and Stouten, Lancet.
It's getting very personal, and it's inconsistent with Wiki's rules. Me just writing because I have a vendetta? A COI? I was not the only victim. I didn't lose my job and I didn't stop studying ME but many others did. This is not my vendetta, unless you think that telling people that the emperor has no clothes amounts to anything other than a person telling it like it is. I am someone who thinks it's important to be fair and accurate. So I'm the only whistleblower. That doesn't mean I'm wrong. I know what happened as I was in the middle of it. Articles, books and so many sources refer to the 'activists' without mentioning the professor as everyone then was afraid of him. It's therefore hard to provide really reliable sources. I did once provide a link but that was taken down.
The good prof may have helped to debunk the PACE trial but he wasn't the only one, didn't get letters published in medical journals, didn't stop NICE from recommending CBT and GET, and some of his arguments in his 'essays' came from me. (Also typical, he didn't always credit his sources.) Come round to my house and I'll show you the originals. Sadly, no one thinks a balanced view is important here, so be it. Mr Hood, let's end this, and for the future, if you are a person of goodwill, don't accuse others of dubious motives without checking your facts and citing sound evidence. You clearly don't know what I did and wrote re the PACE trial, and long before the good prof came on the scene. He's stopped his 'work on ME' so the problem has resolved itself and so let's leave this now. You want a rosy description; you have it. As requested, I have not added anything to the text. Just defending myself here. I don't deserve the insinuations. 88.97.5.228 ( talk)Ellen G 88.97.5.228 ( talk) 18:39, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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Professor Malcolm Hooper is the Chief Scientific Adviser to the British Gulf War Veterans Association. [1]
He has stated his concerns over initial studies that concluded miscarriages and children with physical abnormalities are more common in pregnacies of wives and partners of male Gulf War veterans than those not sent to the region.
[2] [3] In a news article in the Sunday Herald, Hooper was called an an expert on depleted uranium, and he said that soldiers were harmed by exposure to it during the war. [4] [5] He has also stated that the British Ministry of Defence does not take Gulf War syndrome seriously. [6]
(outdent) There was no objection at the time, therefore the information was changed. As to (yet another) accusation of "OR", have a look here and here before you go making accusations of OR. These two documents are from Hooper himself and were sent on behalf of the GWA. -- Rob ( talk) 05:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
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RetroS1mone has reverted Malcolm Hooper's qualifications with the note "Wiki is not having titles and letters, it is manual of style". While her English obviously isn't great there, I take it to mean that it's not proper Wiki style to include those. And indeed, in a quick search for "noted professor", I didn't find any articles with their degrees listed. Personally, however, I think that degrees, qualifications, accreditations and anything else of that nature are entirely appropriate for an article about a professor. But if Wiki guidelines say otherwise, then obviously they should be left out. I didn't see any specific guidelines on this anywhere, however, so I thought I'd bring it up here first. Is there such a guideline? If so, it would be appreciated if someone can point to it so we can ensure that the article conforms. -- Rob ( talk) 20:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Thx Rob. RetroS1mone talk 20:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
[7] BLPN about the deletion of Guardian article and every thing about it. RetroS1mone talk 22:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
This section added as it is an important addition to his work and as Aerotoxic Syndrome is very closely related to GWS in terms of type of toxic exposures and symptoms. -- TCP146 ( talk) 13:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Rolled back 25 versions going back 11 months without discussion. [8] Additionally it gutted the article, removed reliable sources, introduced weasel wording and falsely reintroduced tags that make it appear they have been there since January 2009. [9] This edit was by an editor who has nominated the article for deletion before and the result was keep. [10] This is an extreme example of Wikipedia:Tendentious editing and the editor's edit summary was, "Pls explain consensus at talk". Ward20 ( talk) 01:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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Anyone know why Hooper's review on ME in J Clin Pathol was retracted? 78.151.113.7 ( talk) 10:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
It wasn't Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 13:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I obtained the following degrees from the Faculty of Medicine, University of London, B.Pharm. (1956), Ph.D. (1959). By election I received C.Chem. MRIC in 1963.
1959: Appointed Lecturer in Pharmaceutical and Medicinal Chemistry, School of Pharmacy, Sunderland Technical College.
1963: Appointed Senior Lecturer in Pharmaceutical and Medicinal Chemistry, School of Pharmacy, Sunderland Technical College.
October 1969: Appointed Reader in Pharmaceutical and Medicinal Chemistry, School of Pharmacy, Sunderland Polytechnic.
March 1982: Appointed Professor of Medicinal Chemistry, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Sunderland Polytechnic.
August 1992: Retired as Professor of Medicinal Chemistry.
September 1993: Appointed Emeritus Professor at the University of Sunderland.
Throughout this period I taught students of pharmacy, pharmacology, and pharmaceutical and chemical analysis at honours degree level.
I also directed research at masters and particularly doctoral level. I supervised some 21 Ph. D. students in all.
I have served as an examiner at many UK universities, and universities in India and Tanzania, at graduate and postgraduate level.
I inaugurated links with Indian research institutions and universities and this year we celebrate the 25th Anniversary of these productive and ongoing links which particularly involved the design and development of new drugs for tropical diseases and an exploration of natural products associated with Ayurvedic medicine.
I have published some 50 papers in peer reviewed journals in the field of medicinal chemistry together with major reviews on the Chemotherapy of Leprosy, the Chemistry of Isatogens. I have edited one book on the Chemotherapy of Tropical Diseases.
I have acted as a referee for a number of important journals and served on one editorial board.
I have served on Committees of the Council for National Academic Awards, CNAA, World Health Organisation, Science and Engineering Research Council.
I am a member of a number of learned societies including the Royal Chemical Society, the British Pharmacological Society, and the Society for Drug Research, SDR, (now renamed as the Society for Medicines Research). For over 12 years I was on the committee of the SDR and served as Chairman for 2 years. This involved the planning and organising of major national and international conferences.
I have been appointed Chief Scientific Advisor to the Gulf Veterans Association, GVA, and accepted by the Ministry of Defence as their nominee on the Independent Panel established to consider the possible interactions between Vaccines and NAPS tablets. I also serve on the Gulf Support Group convened at the Royal British Legion. My involvement with the GVA brought me in contact with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, CFS/ME, and related disorders. Gulf War Illness/Syndrome, GWI/S, has much in common with CFS/ME.
I am now a patron of the Sunderland and South Shields ME Association and a member of the Newcastle Research Group which includes eminent physicians and scientists carrying out research into ME-CFS. One recent aspect of this work is the identification of organochlorine pesticide poisoning being misdiagnosed as ME-CFS.
As a consequence of my work with Gulf War Veterans I have also been brought into contact with organophosphate poisoned farmers, pesticide operatives and some scientists in this area. This in turn has lead to me giving addresses at meetings organised by the Pesticide Exchange network and being consulted by OPIN (organophosphate information network).
I have been interested and associated with the Autism Research Unit, University of Sunderland, for over 20 years with a growing involvement as the biochemical studies began to emerge and suggest new ways of offering help, support and treatment for people with autism.
In conjunction with the Autism Research Unit I am involved in some preliminary studies on Gulf War Veterans, ME-CFS sufferers, and organophosphate poisoned farmers and operatives. This research takes the form of urine analysis for IAG (indolylacroylglycine) an unusual metabolite found in, in excess, in over 90% of the people examined so far in these different groups. Whilst this research is in its early stages it does point to a common underlying biochemical disorder that can be addressed by dietary changes and supplementation.
I have a longstanding ministry as a Christian lay leader, preacher and teacher both locally, regionally and nationally. I served on the General Synod of the Church of England from 1970-1980.
As a voluntary leader I have been, or am involved, in three major campaigns concerned with the environment.
Against toxic waste dumping in a disused local colliery- it is now a major recreational site in Sunderland.
Currently I lead CASSS (Campaign Against Sewage in the Sea at Sunderland) which with Seaham Environmental Association (SEA) have helped to achieve major changes in the quality of sewage treatment and disposal. We submitted evidence to the Select Committee on Sewage Treatment and Disposal and have met with the Minister of State for the Environment, Michael Meacher, on two occasions.
As Chief Scientific Adviser to the Gulf War Veterans I submitted 45 pages of written evidence and gave oral evidence to the recent Select Committee on Defence.
Ward20 ( talk) 23:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Please do not remove notability tag, he is not notable as academic, notability over all is an other issue. Oh and pls investinme is not a reliable source. Thx, RetroS1mone talk 04:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
"Pro organic" is a bias, researchers that say psych factors are not real and they attack psych professionals, they are not pro organic, they are not in medical consensus, saying psych disorders are usually organic. This bias against psych is a common thing in people that do not understand psych and do not want to think they could have a psych disorder bc of social biasses. It is common for alot of people that have psych disorders like hypochondriasis, Lancet review 2004 Barsky and Ahern. These bias words should not go in htis article. RetroS1mone talk 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Sam Weller says he does not have COI, OK I believe that, Ward20 is also putting in things here and at David Sheffield Bell i think say he has a COI. How does Ward20 know so much about David Sheffield Bell and other people they call "pro organic" w/o reliable sources? When a person that is involved in this conteroversy editing these articles, that is a COI and it is dishonest when a person does not admit it. I said before I do not have a COI, Sam Weller said he does not have a COI, does Ward20 say there is no COI, is not involved or a person in these conteroversies?? RetroS1mone talk 18:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Once you log in as guest to The University of Sunderland, The Graduate Research School you can search for Hooper. The information is: Qualifications, BPharm (Bachelor of Pharmacy), PhD (Doctor of Philosophy), MRSC (MRSC), and CChem (Chartered Chemist).
He is Professor Emeritus, the above source does not mention former anything. Ward20 ( talk) 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Professor Malcolm Hooper (as Chief Scientific Adviser to the Gulf War Veterans) [3] Ward20 ( talk) 21:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious why the last two bullets in the External Links section were removed. I certainly didn't review them thoroughly, but they appeared to be suitable links to relevant material. -- Rob ( talk) 21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to move the discussion to the appropriate page, since it seems to be spanning multiple Talk pages at the moment. It has been put forth that Malcolm Hooper is clearly an activist, and I have no issue with that statement, but due to its negative connotations, I've changed the word "activism" to "advocacy" until such time as we can find something that refers to him clearly as an "activist". While I do have CFS, I honestly don't know the person, have never seen or read anything by him that I'm aware of (beyond quick fact-checking and a glance at the External Links), so I make this change strictly for presentation and NPOV purposes until such time as activism can be properly sourced. -- Rob ( talk) 21:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I have issues with the statement about a vendetta. Was there one? Well, according to The Guardian, yes. But the word "vendetta" is only mentioned twice:
The first one mentions only a vendetta by a group of patients - Hooper isn't a patient. The second one makes reference to "the vendetta", which presumably refers back to the same vendetta as the first mention. Hooper isn't even mentioned by name until much later in the article, though he's alluded to as a "professor emeritus" once before that.
Does anybody have a different interpretation of this article? If not, the line should either be removed (which would make the entire section so small that I think we might well be able to remove it entirely), or it should be re-written to more accurately reflect what is stated in the article. -- Rob ( talk) 16:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
In 2002, The Guardian reported on the conflict over the nature of CFS/ME and whether there is an ongoing pathological process in the illness, contrasting advocates of a biological/psychological basis, such as Hooper, De Merleir, and Komaroff versus advocates of a psychosocial basis, such as Professor Simon Wessely. Hooper states that growing scientific work shows extensive change and injury to the neuro-endocrine-immune systems of patients. He also described biochemical dysfunction, and physiological changes in the bodies of patients. [4]
He is the medical adviser for The Grace Charity for M.E. [5]. Hooper has authored an academic review on the subject which was published in the Journal of Clinical Pathology. [1]
(outdent) Ward20 is indeed wrong about the "fired off his salvo" comment in that the journalist uses that to describe Hoopers actions. But as Ward20 points out, a newspaper will often use sensationalist wording, which we're not supposed to do at Wikipedia.
Also, I never even remotely threatened to edit war. My point was only that Wikipedia considers it so important that a biography of a living person be neutral, non-biased and non-libellous that they're willing to overlook WP:3RR. In fact, in case you miss it in one place, they tell it to you again in the other. And as I've said over and over again, I deleted that section temporarily and in accordance with policy while we have a consensus discussion, which is a key part of Wikipedia's philosophy. -- Rob ( talk) 23:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Okay, our BLPN topic seems to have only garnered input from the various editors here. What are peoples' thoughts on this at this point? Should we wait for a bit and see if my recent notice gets anybody's attention, or shall we try to come to an agreement here? -- Rob ( talk) 06:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Nowhere is there recognition of the attacks against ME specialists who argued for a neurological diagnosis of ME (Pinching, Shepherd, Goudsmit). His response to calm attempts to correct errors was to accuse critics of villification and character assassination etc. But he was the one villifying. He sometimes went beyond mere internet attacks. He was the main author of a submission to have Goudsmit struck off the register of the BPS. He fabricated evidence to do so and suggested that the respected authority, Dr Melvin Ramsay, had discussed her diagnosis with a third party and therefore breached GMC rules. Ramsay was not Goudsmit's doctor, as he alleged, but co-author of a paper on the Royal Free outbreak (cf Axford's Abode.) Obviously, it was easy to challenge these untruths and the BPS cleared her without a tribunal. But the hundreds of pages, including emails from a person who did not know Goudsmit to another person who did not know Goudsmit, noting that neither liked the psychologist, was not compelling and certainly not evidence of unprofessional behavior or incompetence. It is curious that he believes himself to be a Christian. Christians do not fabricate evidence and engage in a sustained attempt to discredit a scientist who shared his views on ME. In short, Hooper didn't always check facts, he plagiarized (e.g. in an essay included someone else's analysis of denial and did not credit the author as the source), and he never apologized. The end result of the unjust criticism of the ME specialists was to give the anti-ME doctors a free run. Re his contribution to the ME community, the jury is out. All of his victims, bar White and Wessely, fared badly. They retired, or lost the respect they once had, making them almost impotent in the eyes of many decision makers. Hence the easy ride given to those promoting CBT and GET.
Why did he embark on this very lay, 'angry man' course of action against patients with degrees? Anyone who really wanted to promote ME as a neurological disorder would not undermine the work and reputation of those doing the same. Wessely, an acknowledged member of the anti-ME fanclub, often rewrote history. But so did Hooper. Wessely describes the distortion of evidence by Hooper and Williams on his website [2].
An apology to those working for ME patients would be appropriate and he needs to take down all posts relating to Pinching, Shepherd and Goudsmit from the MEActionUK website. That would be what a decent person would do. He was asked to make things right (by Invest in ME) but refused. Readers deserve to know of the other side to this man. If you believe in fairness, that is. Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 20:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)18:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Someone is very keen to present a rosy picture of a person. bit like the CIA retracting everything mildly dodgy. Wiki and the CIA. Both can't cope with properly cited evidence which balances the view to the public. and you want a donation for that? shame. No attempt at balance. My edits, with references: all removed. I'd amended it to remove anything that might conceivably be contentious and speculative. Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 13:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Edited an amendment to stop the whitewash. Whoever deleted original lost formatting. Ellengoudsmit ( talk) 13:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Be fair. Although I have cited the odd paper to support the value of pacing etc, there's virtually nothing about me and from me on Wiki. Most of it is on this page. I have published about the PACE trial ever since I saw the protocol and have had letters challenging the trial and the findings published in journals like the Lancet. Your suggestion that I have not been active in challenging the PACE trial etc is misplaced. Look me up in PubMed and see. Objective evidence; don't take my word for it. Try, for example, searching for Goudsmit and Stouten, Lancet.
It's getting very personal, and it's inconsistent with Wiki's rules. Me just writing because I have a vendetta? A COI? I was not the only victim. I didn't lose my job and I didn't stop studying ME but many others did. This is not my vendetta, unless you think that telling people that the emperor has no clothes amounts to anything other than a person telling it like it is. I am someone who thinks it's important to be fair and accurate. So I'm the only whistleblower. That doesn't mean I'm wrong. I know what happened as I was in the middle of it. Articles, books and so many sources refer to the 'activists' without mentioning the professor as everyone then was afraid of him. It's therefore hard to provide really reliable sources. I did once provide a link but that was taken down.
The good prof may have helped to debunk the PACE trial but he wasn't the only one, didn't get letters published in medical journals, didn't stop NICE from recommending CBT and GET, and some of his arguments in his 'essays' came from me. (Also typical, he didn't always credit his sources.) Come round to my house and I'll show you the originals. Sadly, no one thinks a balanced view is important here, so be it. Mr Hood, let's end this, and for the future, if you are a person of goodwill, don't accuse others of dubious motives without checking your facts and citing sound evidence. You clearly don't know what I did and wrote re the PACE trial, and long before the good prof came on the scene. He's stopped his 'work on ME' so the problem has resolved itself and so let's leave this now. You want a rosy description; you have it. As requested, I have not added anything to the text. Just defending myself here. I don't deserve the insinuations. 88.97.5.228 ( talk)Ellen G 88.97.5.228 ( talk) 18:39, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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I believe this version is better than the one in the section now. Comments please. Ward20 ( talk) 02:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Professor Malcolm Hooper is the Chief Scientific Adviser to the British Gulf War Veterans Association. [1]
He has stated his concerns over initial studies that concluded miscarriages and children with physical abnormalities are more common in pregnacies of wives and partners of male Gulf War veterans than those not sent to the region.
[2] [3] In a news article in the Sunday Herald, Hooper was called an an expert on depleted uranium, and he said that soldiers were harmed by exposure to it during the war. [4] [5] He has also stated that the British Ministry of Defence does not take Gulf War syndrome seriously. [6]
(outdent) There was no objection at the time, therefore the information was changed. As to (yet another) accusation of "OR", have a look here and here before you go making accusations of OR. These two documents are from Hooper himself and were sent on behalf of the GWA. -- Rob ( talk) 05:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
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RetroS1mone has reverted Malcolm Hooper's qualifications with the note "Wiki is not having titles and letters, it is manual of style". While her English obviously isn't great there, I take it to mean that it's not proper Wiki style to include those. And indeed, in a quick search for "noted professor", I didn't find any articles with their degrees listed. Personally, however, I think that degrees, qualifications, accreditations and anything else of that nature are entirely appropriate for an article about a professor. But if Wiki guidelines say otherwise, then obviously they should be left out. I didn't see any specific guidelines on this anywhere, however, so I thought I'd bring it up here first. Is there such a guideline? If so, it would be appreciated if someone can point to it so we can ensure that the article conforms. -- Rob ( talk) 20:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Thx Rob. RetroS1mone talk 20:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
[7] BLPN about the deletion of Guardian article and every thing about it. RetroS1mone talk 22:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
This section added as it is an important addition to his work and as Aerotoxic Syndrome is very closely related to GWS in terms of type of toxic exposures and symptoms. -- TCP146 ( talk) 13:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Rolled back 25 versions going back 11 months without discussion. [8] Additionally it gutted the article, removed reliable sources, introduced weasel wording and falsely reintroduced tags that make it appear they have been there since January 2009. [9] This edit was by an editor who has nominated the article for deletion before and the result was keep. [10] This is an extreme example of Wikipedia:Tendentious editing and the editor's edit summary was, "Pls explain consensus at talk". Ward20 ( talk) 01:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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