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I just redirected the effectively empty stubs for the individual books and merged the content from the separate article on 'warrens'. But the latter article carries a note saying that content was taken from[ [1]]. This site has no copyright notice, nor any indication of authorship, and soem of its contet looks like it has been taken from an author's web site. Do we have a copyright problem here? DES 21:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The GURPS page says GURPS was created in 1986, Authorship says the Malazan universe was created in 1982 for GURPS.
Some minor changes confirming that Poliel and D'Rek are not the same god and confirming that Lether is on a seperate continent to any of the other landmasses. -- Werthead 22:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Hm, I decided to be so bold as to remove the Otataral Dragon from the position of consort in the Dragon Hold.. Surely, since the Otataral dragon is female, it can hardly be the consort to Tiam? 62.231.141.214
The last few subsections (houses, holds, people, gods and places) occupy a large amount of space and do not really provide information that is critical to the understanding of the series. I would suggest that they be split off into a separate article to keep the main Malazan page more concise. They are useful sources of information, but do they need to be part of the main article?
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on the matter? -- Derf noxid 15:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I seem to recall Steven saying that the Black Company novels were an inspiration to him, along with some of the realistic war writing that came out of the Viet Nam conflict. Furthermore, I think Steven told me that Glen Cook told him that Steve's stuff is what he (Cook) wanted the Black Company books to be... but the time was wrong.
Not suggesting any particular edits to the article here, but if anyone thinks these things should be included, I could always talk to Steve about them. Cheers! FlyingOrca 21:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Is that now considered The Crippled God??? Krmarshall ( talk) 19:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Kallor is the High king of the House of Chains, as per a discussion in Memories of Ice - Kip 4/27/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.3.50 ( talk) 20:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Per a Statement made by Kallor His kingdom was destroyed Before the Imass First empire. This is found in Midnight Tides - Kip 4/27/2009
I think seperate articles should be created for the Geography and History in the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Anyone have any thoughts on how much should be kept on this article? Jeffsul ( talk) 20:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
quote: "It is an epic fantasy, wide in scope and encompassing the stories of a very large cast of characters." I have only read the first two books, but as far as i can see there are only a dozen or so main characters. Large but not very large. as compared to Robert Jordan's (May he rest in peace) "Wheel of Time" series (which had scores (1 score = 20) of characters, so many i lost track) it has comparatively few characters. however wheel of time did only start out with a few character and gained more as the series continues so maybe similar happens in this series. although to back up the current (Very large) i have read it described with the above sentence ("It is an epic fantasy, wide in scope and encompassing the stories of a very large cast of characters.") elsewhere. Oxinabox ( talk) 00:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I am inclided to trust you, WLU. I'm currently reading "House of chains" (and loving it). However the cast, seems to remain the same in terms of active characters, per book. While many new characters are appearing, the Karsa (sp?) ect. Characters are leaving at similar rate at the end of the books (it really is a book of the fallen).
.Eg we lost most of the Torbal Cabal at the end of the first book . We lost basically Colatian's whole army in the second. In the third We lost almost all the bridge burners, and Moons spawn (note technically a character? but it got "wounds" in pale, and seems to heal some in Darustan (or was theat just my wishful thinking?) it felt alive to me. and i felt the same sense of lost with it's death as i felt for WiskeyJack.
We need a page on Demons, theres a good explaination in the book third book when Quick Ben speaks of AraL Gral before going to see the necromancers in capustan. but there is npthing that good anywhere on the net that i've found. Oxinabox ( talk) 07:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
With the publication of Return of the Crimson Guard, I think the issue of how to treat ICE's books needs to be examined. Whilst Night of Knives was a somewhat unnecessary-but-interesting side-novel, Return seems to be a much more important and integeral part of the series. It expands on numerous characters from Erikson's earlier novels (inclding Mallick Rel, Korbolo Dom, Tayschrenn, Shadowthrone & Cotillion, Nil & Nether, the Crimson Guard members we met before, Traveller, Laseen etc), it explains background plot detail that Erikson skimmed over in The Bonehunters and picks up on the pretty major storyline elements left hanging from that novel. If Erikson's later novels do return to the Empire, or at least recount news from the Empire, then the events of Return will directly impact on them. From the sound of it, Stonewielder will also feature major storyline developments for the series as a whole related to Korelri, whilst the fourth book (presumably the Assail one) will resolve plot-threads stretching back as far as Memories of Ice. The question is, do we integrate the two series together more closely than we have been? That is, to reclassify the series (i.e. "The Malazan Book of the Fallen is an epic fantasy by Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont spanning fifteen novels")? Officially, Bantam seem to be treating the two as seperate (The Malazan Book of the Fallen versus Novels of the Malazan Empire), but Erikson and ICE in their interviews seem to suggest a much closer relationship between the two is intended. Or do we continue treating the two as semi-seperate entities? Or wait and see if the authors offer further statements as to how the series should be treated?-- Werthead ( talk) 01:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought he could only access 7 at a single moment but had 13 warrnes to choose from. Also were does it say about non-humans having 12? Krmarshall ( talk) 12:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I question if he can even access twelve. His original warren is Meanas and one of the eleven mages he acquired the souls of was High Meanas. Are these really different or do his extra warrens not necessarily correspond with those of the other mages who were soulshifted to him? To be honest, I'd say it was a mistake on Erikson's part, he openly admits to having quite a few, especially in Gardens of the Moon, but I just want to know for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valethar ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I forget which book it is in, but it is the flashback to when The Bridgeburners were chasing Quick Ben accross the desert. It pretty much says that Whiskeyjack and Fiddle had never met before, and that's when Whiskeyjack names Fiddler. Later in "The Bonehunters", Fiddler, Kalam, and Quick Ben are talking about Dunnsparrow, Whiskeyjack's sister. It is said that Whiskeyjack was just finishing his apprenticeship as a mason when Fiddler and he "resued" Dunnsparrow from the temple of Hood. This couldn't be possible. -Kip 5/3/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.3.50 ( talk) 12:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
When did that happen? I checked the page just a few days ago and there was no warning or query up about the covers at all, and they were covered by the fair use policy. How odd.-- Werthead ( talk) 23:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
While I realize Erikson makes it almost impossible to get the chronology of the series right there seems to be a glaring inconsistency between the article on Midnight Tides, which states the book is set prior to events in Gardens of the Moon and this article, where Midnight Tides is said to take place at the same time as Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates. It's been a while since I read Midnight Tides but I seem to remember it is indeed set before Gardens of the Moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.219.227 ( talk) 09:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The reading order released by Tor.com in November 2017 was erroneous: it was based on a strict chronological order sent by Esslemont to Tor some months earlier, and (despite what the article claims) neither Erikson nor Esslemont approved it. Erikson has advised against using this as a reading order on the Malazan Reddit community and on his personal Facebook page. He recommends the approximate publication order of the books (I personally would tweak that a bit, but that would only be a personal opinion) - Werthead ( talk) 19:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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I just redirected the effectively empty stubs for the individual books and merged the content from the separate article on 'warrens'. But the latter article carries a note saying that content was taken from[ [1]]. This site has no copyright notice, nor any indication of authorship, and soem of its contet looks like it has been taken from an author's web site. Do we have a copyright problem here? DES 21:11, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The GURPS page says GURPS was created in 1986, Authorship says the Malazan universe was created in 1982 for GURPS.
Some minor changes confirming that Poliel and D'Rek are not the same god and confirming that Lether is on a seperate continent to any of the other landmasses. -- Werthead 22:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Hm, I decided to be so bold as to remove the Otataral Dragon from the position of consort in the Dragon Hold.. Surely, since the Otataral dragon is female, it can hardly be the consort to Tiam? 62.231.141.214
The last few subsections (houses, holds, people, gods and places) occupy a large amount of space and do not really provide information that is critical to the understanding of the series. I would suggest that they be split off into a separate article to keep the main Malazan page more concise. They are useful sources of information, but do they need to be part of the main article?
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on the matter? -- Derf noxid 15:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I seem to recall Steven saying that the Black Company novels were an inspiration to him, along with some of the realistic war writing that came out of the Viet Nam conflict. Furthermore, I think Steven told me that Glen Cook told him that Steve's stuff is what he (Cook) wanted the Black Company books to be... but the time was wrong.
Not suggesting any particular edits to the article here, but if anyone thinks these things should be included, I could always talk to Steve about them. Cheers! FlyingOrca 21:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Is that now considered The Crippled God??? Krmarshall ( talk) 19:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Kallor is the High king of the House of Chains, as per a discussion in Memories of Ice - Kip 4/27/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.3.50 ( talk) 20:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Per a Statement made by Kallor His kingdom was destroyed Before the Imass First empire. This is found in Midnight Tides - Kip 4/27/2009
I think seperate articles should be created for the Geography and History in the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Anyone have any thoughts on how much should be kept on this article? Jeffsul ( talk) 20:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
quote: "It is an epic fantasy, wide in scope and encompassing the stories of a very large cast of characters." I have only read the first two books, but as far as i can see there are only a dozen or so main characters. Large but not very large. as compared to Robert Jordan's (May he rest in peace) "Wheel of Time" series (which had scores (1 score = 20) of characters, so many i lost track) it has comparatively few characters. however wheel of time did only start out with a few character and gained more as the series continues so maybe similar happens in this series. although to back up the current (Very large) i have read it described with the above sentence ("It is an epic fantasy, wide in scope and encompassing the stories of a very large cast of characters.") elsewhere. Oxinabox ( talk) 00:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I am inclided to trust you, WLU. I'm currently reading "House of chains" (and loving it). However the cast, seems to remain the same in terms of active characters, per book. While many new characters are appearing, the Karsa (sp?) ect. Characters are leaving at similar rate at the end of the books (it really is a book of the fallen).
.Eg we lost most of the Torbal Cabal at the end of the first book . We lost basically Colatian's whole army in the second. In the third We lost almost all the bridge burners, and Moons spawn (note technically a character? but it got "wounds" in pale, and seems to heal some in Darustan (or was theat just my wishful thinking?) it felt alive to me. and i felt the same sense of lost with it's death as i felt for WiskeyJack.
We need a page on Demons, theres a good explaination in the book third book when Quick Ben speaks of AraL Gral before going to see the necromancers in capustan. but there is npthing that good anywhere on the net that i've found. Oxinabox ( talk) 07:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
With the publication of Return of the Crimson Guard, I think the issue of how to treat ICE's books needs to be examined. Whilst Night of Knives was a somewhat unnecessary-but-interesting side-novel, Return seems to be a much more important and integeral part of the series. It expands on numerous characters from Erikson's earlier novels (inclding Mallick Rel, Korbolo Dom, Tayschrenn, Shadowthrone & Cotillion, Nil & Nether, the Crimson Guard members we met before, Traveller, Laseen etc), it explains background plot detail that Erikson skimmed over in The Bonehunters and picks up on the pretty major storyline elements left hanging from that novel. If Erikson's later novels do return to the Empire, or at least recount news from the Empire, then the events of Return will directly impact on them. From the sound of it, Stonewielder will also feature major storyline developments for the series as a whole related to Korelri, whilst the fourth book (presumably the Assail one) will resolve plot-threads stretching back as far as Memories of Ice. The question is, do we integrate the two series together more closely than we have been? That is, to reclassify the series (i.e. "The Malazan Book of the Fallen is an epic fantasy by Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont spanning fifteen novels")? Officially, Bantam seem to be treating the two as seperate (The Malazan Book of the Fallen versus Novels of the Malazan Empire), but Erikson and ICE in their interviews seem to suggest a much closer relationship between the two is intended. Or do we continue treating the two as semi-seperate entities? Or wait and see if the authors offer further statements as to how the series should be treated?-- Werthead ( talk) 01:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought he could only access 7 at a single moment but had 13 warrnes to choose from. Also were does it say about non-humans having 12? Krmarshall ( talk) 12:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I question if he can even access twelve. His original warren is Meanas and one of the eleven mages he acquired the souls of was High Meanas. Are these really different or do his extra warrens not necessarily correspond with those of the other mages who were soulshifted to him? To be honest, I'd say it was a mistake on Erikson's part, he openly admits to having quite a few, especially in Gardens of the Moon, but I just want to know for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valethar ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I forget which book it is in, but it is the flashback to when The Bridgeburners were chasing Quick Ben accross the desert. It pretty much says that Whiskeyjack and Fiddle had never met before, and that's when Whiskeyjack names Fiddler. Later in "The Bonehunters", Fiddler, Kalam, and Quick Ben are talking about Dunnsparrow, Whiskeyjack's sister. It is said that Whiskeyjack was just finishing his apprenticeship as a mason when Fiddler and he "resued" Dunnsparrow from the temple of Hood. This couldn't be possible. -Kip 5/3/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.3.50 ( talk) 12:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
When did that happen? I checked the page just a few days ago and there was no warning or query up about the covers at all, and they were covered by the fair use policy. How odd.-- Werthead ( talk) 23:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
While I realize Erikson makes it almost impossible to get the chronology of the series right there seems to be a glaring inconsistency between the article on Midnight Tides, which states the book is set prior to events in Gardens of the Moon and this article, where Midnight Tides is said to take place at the same time as Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates. It's been a while since I read Midnight Tides but I seem to remember it is indeed set before Gardens of the Moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.219.227 ( talk) 09:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The reading order released by Tor.com in November 2017 was erroneous: it was based on a strict chronological order sent by Esslemont to Tor some months earlier, and (despite what the article claims) neither Erikson nor Esslemont approved it. Erikson has advised against using this as a reading order on the Malazan Reddit community and on his personal Facebook page. He recommends the approximate publication order of the books (I personally would tweak that a bit, but that would only be a personal opinion) - Werthead ( talk) 19:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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