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Firstly, thank you for your edits to this article on Wikipedia, Mr_Tan. This article certainly contains some useful information but is a little scattershot in its approach to portraying it. Some issues include:
I think this structure will help better structure the information contained within this article, and relates to the 'readability' criteria of the GA review. Some other very general comments include:
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Reviewer: Hurricanehink聽( talk 路 contribs) 00:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I guess I'll review.
All in all, the article looks pretty solid. Most of the above is fairly small, and could be fixed without too much work. I'll put it on hold聽:) 鈾 Hurricanehink ( talk) 00:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Dai Viet's ambush of Malay envoys to China.
http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1981
http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2657
http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_011.pdf
http://www.jstor.org/stable/20072535?
Military Technology Transfers from Ming China and the Emergence of Northern Mainland Southeast Asia (c. 1390-1527) Sun Laichen Journal of Southeast Asian Studies Vol. 34, No. 3 (Oct., 2003), pp. 495-517 Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of Department of History, National University of Singapore Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20072535 Page Count: 23
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZvWrAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75#v=onepage&q&f=false
Title Ming-Southeast Asian overland interactions, 1368-1644 Author Laichen Sun Publisher University of Michigan, 2000
266
107
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA105#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA103#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA119#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=TgkYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bc30ytJmwzMC&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA108#v=onepage&q&f=false
w:vi:Chi岷縩 tranh 膼岷 Vi峄噒 - Lan Xang (1478-1480)
w:vi:Chi岷縩 tranh 膼岷 Vi峄噒-Chi锚m Th脿nh (1471)
Katip Suma's Jihad against Emperor
Minh Mang's invasion of Champa in 1832-1835
http://www.chamtoday.com/index.php/history-l-ch-s/83-the-uprising-of-jathak-wa-1834-1835
http://books.google.com/books?id=3oMqrqSp1W4C&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false
Meanwhile, lack document to record the yourneys of Malay came to Champa by sea. Execpt, the yourney of Tuen Phaow from Kelantan come to Champa by sea to lead a Jihad movement to expel theVietnamese army from the land of Champa
http://voa-islam.com//news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;
http://voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;
http://m.voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/vietnamesemuslims/hstry.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=Zw0j_5OauH8C&pg=PT180#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/issue/issue4/article_353.html
Rajmaan ( talk) 03:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I have removed the following paragraph:
"The Cham Muslim leader Katip Suma was educated in Kelantan and came back to Champa to declare a Jihad against the Vietnamese after Emperor Minh Mang's annexation of Champa. [1] [2] [3] [4]"
I think this point seems to be more of a fringe event concerning Malaysia-Vietnam relations and would be more appropriate for the Champa article. If it should be insisted that this should be included in the main text, I strongly advise more elaboration, as four sources are cited. Otherwise it really affects the overall quality of the prose as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Paragraphs and Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability_does_not_guarantee_inclusion.
I do also think that for just one sentence, choose the most reliable one, at the most two sources. Four sources really constitutes Wikipedia:Citation overkill. If the editor strongly feels about reintroducing this content into the text, I hope the above concerns maybe addressed, otherwise it might not pass the GA review. Mr Tan ( talk) 18:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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I assessed the article for quality. It still needs some work.
None of these parts have citations at the end.
"Formal relations between Malaya and South Vietnam were established in 1959 following a bilateral summit between Tunku Abdul Rahman and Ngo Dinh Diem a year earlier. An agreement between the countries to establish their respective embassies in Kuala Lumpur and Saigon respectively was reached in 1960, although the embassies were not established until 1964, by which time Malaya had been renamed Malaysia." 鈥 Rewrite, citation added.
"A sizeable number of Malaysian men have foreign wives. According to statistics provided by the Malaysian National Registry Department, one third of these are Vietnamese." 鈥 Rewrite, citation added.
"Vietnam has a sizeable number of oil fields in the South China Sea."
鈥 Citation added.
"assistance to Johor to fend off a botched military conquest in the 1590s." 鈥 Citation added.
Also, provide more details about the "economic and national security problems to Malaysia", 鈥 More details added along with citation. and when you say "Subsequent kings after Po Rome", who was Po Rome the king of?
And here are some copy-edits.
en route to [the] Chinese Ming dynasty
The Vietnamese were defeated by Malacca(put this in active voice, not passive voice)
To the east in the Sultanate of Terengganu, ethnic Chinese from Cochinchina sailed there(this should be 'Ethnic Chinese from Cochinchina sailed to the east in the Sultanate of Terengganu') 鈥 Rewrite.
presiding [over] a ceremony to mark
who is[was] also of Vietnamese origin
[the] MCP's Secretary General
of the refugee camps,(use a period, not a comma)
as an[a] version of the
which[where] it has been located since 2004
executive functions was[were] later
Precinct 15, Putrajaya(add comma after Putrajaya)
crime[s] involving the
"Malaysian clients have attributed their alluring physique and good hospitality practices to their popularity"(the other way around, they attributed their popularity to those other things) 鈥 Rewrite.
in economic as well as(economic what?)
聽Fixed
Malacca defeat[defeated]
between Communist cadres from(no capitalization)
having sufficiently addressing[addressed]
Information Technology(no capitalization)
already established when South Vietnam recognising Federation of Malaya independence on 1957(change to 'established when South Vietnam recognized the Federation of Malaya's independence on 1957')
has[was] providing aid
later been replied(change to 'was reciprocated twice')
Malaya have transformed[transformed]
an additional territories[territory]
on[of] the American involvement
it withdrawal[withdrew] the embassy
partnership in economic[economic matters]
and the other way around, they attributed their popularity to those other things(change this to 'Malaysian clients have attributed their popularity to their alluring physique and good hospitality practices')
"when the Vietnamese government imposed a policy of confiscating private property from the South Vietnamese in that year." - Where does the citation say this?
聽Fixed
-The sentence starting with "By the time of 1963 when Malaya have transformed" is too long and should be split up.
Challenger.rebecca (
talk) 16:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | |
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2c. it contains no original research. | Yes; no OR. |
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Could do with mentioning any shared social demographics, religious or cultural interactions, and updating statistics to include those taken post-2010, to increase the relevance of the article. |
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7. Overall assessment. |
Firstly, thank you for your edits to this article on Wikipedia, Mr_Tan. This article certainly contains some useful information but is a little scattershot in its approach to portraying it. Some issues include:
I think this structure will help better structure the information contained within this article, and relates to the 'readability' criteria of the GA review. Some other very general comments include:
This article needs work to be promoted to GA status, but GA nomination is certainly a possibility at the end of the tunnel. I am happy to leave this review open while changes are made. Kind regards, -- LT910001 ( talk) 12:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Hurricanehink聽( talk 路 contribs) 00:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I guess I'll review.
All in all, the article looks pretty solid. Most of the above is fairly small, and could be fixed without too much work. I'll put it on hold聽:) 鈾 Hurricanehink ( talk) 00:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Dai Viet's ambush of Malay envoys to China.
http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1981
http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2657
http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_011.pdf
http://www.jstor.org/stable/20072535?
Military Technology Transfers from Ming China and the Emergence of Northern Mainland Southeast Asia (c. 1390-1527) Sun Laichen Journal of Southeast Asian Studies Vol. 34, No. 3 (Oct., 2003), pp. 495-517 Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of Department of History, National University of Singapore Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20072535 Page Count: 23
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZvWrAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75#v=onepage&q&f=false
Title Ming-Southeast Asian overland interactions, 1368-1644 Author Laichen Sun Publisher University of Michigan, 2000
266
107
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA105#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA103#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA119#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=TgkYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bc30ytJmwzMC&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA108#v=onepage&q&f=false
w:vi:Chi岷縩 tranh 膼岷 Vi峄噒 - Lan Xang (1478-1480)
w:vi:Chi岷縩 tranh 膼岷 Vi峄噒-Chi锚m Th脿nh (1471)
Katip Suma's Jihad against Emperor
Minh Mang's invasion of Champa in 1832-1835
http://www.chamtoday.com/index.php/history-l-ch-s/83-the-uprising-of-jathak-wa-1834-1835
http://books.google.com/books?id=3oMqrqSp1W4C&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false
Meanwhile, lack document to record the yourneys of Malay came to Champa by sea. Execpt, the yourney of Tuen Phaow from Kelantan come to Champa by sea to lead a Jihad movement to expel theVietnamese army from the land of Champa
http://voa-islam.com//news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;
http://voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;
http://m.voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/vietnamesemuslims/hstry.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=Zw0j_5OauH8C&pg=PT180#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/issue/issue4/article_353.html
Rajmaan ( talk) 03:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I have removed the following paragraph:
"The Cham Muslim leader Katip Suma was educated in Kelantan and came back to Champa to declare a Jihad against the Vietnamese after Emperor Minh Mang's annexation of Champa. [1] [2] [3] [4]"
I think this point seems to be more of a fringe event concerning Malaysia-Vietnam relations and would be more appropriate for the Champa article. If it should be insisted that this should be included in the main text, I strongly advise more elaboration, as four sources are cited. Otherwise it really affects the overall quality of the prose as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Paragraphs and Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability_does_not_guarantee_inclusion.
I do also think that for just one sentence, choose the most reliable one, at the most two sources. Four sources really constitutes Wikipedia:Citation overkill. If the editor strongly feels about reintroducing this content into the text, I hope the above concerns maybe addressed, otherwise it might not pass the GA review. Mr Tan ( talk) 18:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Challenger.rebecca聽( talk 路 contribs) 02:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I assessed the article for quality. It still needs some work.
None of these parts have citations at the end.
"Formal relations between Malaya and South Vietnam were established in 1959 following a bilateral summit between Tunku Abdul Rahman and Ngo Dinh Diem a year earlier. An agreement between the countries to establish their respective embassies in Kuala Lumpur and Saigon respectively was reached in 1960, although the embassies were not established until 1964, by which time Malaya had been renamed Malaysia." 鈥 Rewrite, citation added.
"A sizeable number of Malaysian men have foreign wives. According to statistics provided by the Malaysian National Registry Department, one third of these are Vietnamese." 鈥 Rewrite, citation added.
"Vietnam has a sizeable number of oil fields in the South China Sea."
鈥 Citation added.
"assistance to Johor to fend off a botched military conquest in the 1590s." 鈥 Citation added.
Also, provide more details about the "economic and national security problems to Malaysia", 鈥 More details added along with citation. and when you say "Subsequent kings after Po Rome", who was Po Rome the king of?
And here are some copy-edits.
en route to [the] Chinese Ming dynasty
The Vietnamese were defeated by Malacca(put this in active voice, not passive voice)
To the east in the Sultanate of Terengganu, ethnic Chinese from Cochinchina sailed there(this should be 'Ethnic Chinese from Cochinchina sailed to the east in the Sultanate of Terengganu') 鈥 Rewrite.
presiding [over] a ceremony to mark
who is[was] also of Vietnamese origin
[the] MCP's Secretary General
of the refugee camps,(use a period, not a comma)
as an[a] version of the
which[where] it has been located since 2004
executive functions was[were] later
Precinct 15, Putrajaya(add comma after Putrajaya)
crime[s] involving the
"Malaysian clients have attributed their alluring physique and good hospitality practices to their popularity"(the other way around, they attributed their popularity to those other things) 鈥 Rewrite.
in economic as well as(economic what?)
聽Fixed
Malacca defeat[defeated]
between Communist cadres from(no capitalization)
having sufficiently addressing[addressed]
Information Technology(no capitalization)
already established when South Vietnam recognising Federation of Malaya independence on 1957(change to 'established when South Vietnam recognized the Federation of Malaya's independence on 1957')
has[was] providing aid
later been replied(change to 'was reciprocated twice')
Malaya have transformed[transformed]
an additional territories[territory]
on[of] the American involvement
it withdrawal[withdrew] the embassy
partnership in economic[economic matters]
and the other way around, they attributed their popularity to those other things(change this to 'Malaysian clients have attributed their popularity to their alluring physique and good hospitality practices')
"when the Vietnamese government imposed a policy of confiscating private property from the South Vietnamese in that year." - Where does the citation say this?
聽Fixed
-The sentence starting with "By the time of 1963 when Malaya have transformed" is too long and should be split up.
Challenger.rebecca (
talk) 16:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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