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Re: Speedy Deletion, this is an entire playoff round conducted between 8 Major League Baseball teams each year. As such, it is as important as the following pages, each of which eliminates a team from World Series contention:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League_Championship_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League_Division_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_Championship_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_Division_Series
And more important and notable than the 'One Game Playoff', which is only used rarely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-game_playoff
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreslough ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't have any sources that state that this round is called the Wild Card Showdown. Six Sided Pun Vows ( talk | contribs | former account) 18:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I also couldn't find a reference to this name. The link given by [1] doesn't use the phrase. 24.189.25.107 ( talk) 00:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
This page does not explain what a wildcard team is, or how they are chosen. e.g. Can both wildcard teams come from the same division? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.29.167 ( talk) 15:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
All media about the 2012 Wild Card Game refers to it as such, not the "Wild Card Playoff". This can be seen on MLB's official website here. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp?y=12 ..... I propose that this article be renamed to Wild Card Game, as other articles about the baseball postseason don't use MLB in the title, ( Division Series, League Championship Series, World Series). I also think it would be wise to create separate articles about the NL and AL Wild Card Games, as the LDS and LCS have. This would follow suit with other Wikipedia articles, and would fall in line with the official media. -- Rekameohs ( talk) 10:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if the line showing the 1999 actual Wild Card playoff game should be altered to reflect the Mets as the Visitor team and the Reds as the Host team, seeing as this was actually the case (per http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN199910040.shtml). Thanks. -- Ds093 ( talk) 10:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
A list of teams that would have qualified for a second wild card in previous seasons has been re-added to this article. Generally, as there are many "what if" scenarios that could be discussed, the bar for including this type of information is pretty high, and I do not believe this list is sufficiently notable for inclusion on this article: the explanation of the two wild cards is sufficiently clear, with real-world examples now from 2012, that having a long list of possibilities from previous years is not necessary. (Note that the teams would have used different strategies had there been a second wild card, as they did in 2012, and so there is no guarantee that the standings would have ended up in the same way.) I propose reverting this edit. isaacl ( talk) 03:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
How exactly is putting the actual two best non-divisional teams (most people likely don't know who were the runner ups in the Wild Card prior to 2012 and clearly only pertains to the 1995 onward era) in a one-game playoff prior to the implementation of the MLB Wild Card Game a true "what if" scenario!? You really seem to be thinking way beyond or ahead of another wise basic scenario (like thinking about how differently a manager would operate and what not). A what if scenario would be which team would have a better chance of winning, thus altering the playoff outlook (and possibly even further than that). Another actual what if scenario would be speculating how the cancelled 1994 season would've ended if it weren't for the strike. And using Lou Gerhig as an analogy doesn't make sense because that has nothing to due w/ using a final statistic (we can at that rate, go on all day about how much differently a player's career might have turned out had they not gotten injured), like end of season records as a main point of reference. BornonJune8 ( talk) 07:02 p.m., 22 October 2012 (UTC)
In some styles, the compound "wild card" is capitalized to keep it together as a unit (you wouldn't want people thinking your card game is wild); in others, it is hyphenated; in still others, it's just left lowercase open, under the assumption that the readership is so familiar with the that the ambiguity will not be a problem. MLB typically uses capitalization of "Wild Card", but not of "game" or "team" that comes after. Many other sources use the hyphen. WP style is to avoid unnecessary capitalization, reserving it for proper names, and to use hyphens to clarify grammatical structure; see MOS:CAPS and MOS:HYPHEN. So I fixed it. Someone reverted, claiming "Wild Card Game" so capitalized is an "official name", which seems unlikely, but is seldom styled that way even by MLB, so I fixed it back. Note what's done in sources; [1].
This is not like Division Series and such, which are trademarks, according to MLB web pages that state "The following are trademarks or service marks of Major League Baseball entities and may be used only with permission of Major League Baseball Properties, Inc. or the relevant Major League Baseball entity: Major League, Major League Baseball, MLB, the silhouetted batter logo, World Series, National League, American League, Division Series, League Championship Series, All-Star Game, and the names, nicknames, logos, uniform designs, color combinations, and slogans designating the Major League Baseball clubs and entities, and their respective mascots, events and exhibitions." Dicklyon ( talk) 16:36, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
2014 update: MLB usage almost always initial-capitalizes "Wild Card Game" ( Google search). It's also consistent with MLB and WP usage in articles World Series, American League Championship Series, American League Division Series, etc. MLB seems to never use "wild-card" with a hyphen and neither does WP in most articles. So propose rename to "Major League Baseball Wild Card Game". Facts707 ( talk) 18:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Whatever eventually got decided here, the capitalization is all over the place. In most instances here it's "Wild Card Game" but there are one or two that just use lower case. Then there's "Wild Card Series" and "Wild Card Round" which are not always consistent either (at the time of this writing). Finally, whenever a wild card team is referenced, it's that way ("wild card team") instead of "Wild Card Team." Whatever arguments are made in favor of capitalization for "Wild Card Game" would surely apply to "Wild Card Team" as well. Just try doing a search on the article page for "card" and you'll see how it's all over the place. 2600:1702:4380:5FA0:C86F:2E29:8A96:4E8D ( talk) 05:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Major League Baseball wild-card game → Major League Baseball Wild Card Game – Please see 2014 update directly above. Thanks for considering. --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 03:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC) Facts707 ( talk) 18:21, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. You are invited to comment on this RFC. Thanks, -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 18:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
do y'all think on the MLB teams Wild card berths should be capitalized? Wild Card berths instead of Wild card berths? capital C? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
As I mentioned in the talk page for the Major League Baseball postseason, consolidating most of the postseason articles ought to be done for simplification purposes. This includes the consolidation of the postseason results on this page, the ALDS page, and the NLDS page into one article, similar to NFL playoff results. – Piranha 249 21:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not successful. (non-sysop closure) Naleksuh ( talk) 07:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Major League Baseball Wild Card Game → ? – With the new collective bargaining agreement in place, it will be a series rather than a game. This is procedural for the most part; the only question is whether the series will be named the Wild Card Round, Wild Card Series, or something else entirely. O.N.R. (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Come on folks. We've got the Division Series, League Championship Series & World Series. Wouldn't it be kinda obvious that the first round will be called the Wild Card Series? GoodDay ( talk) 15:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
We've got new pages 2022 American League Wild Card Series & 2022 National League Wild Card Series (and the 2020 ones), as MLB has changed from the Wild Card Game format to the Wild Card Series format. I assumed my (now reverted) page move, reflected this fact. GoodDay ( talk) 17:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Old Naval Rooftops: and @ Muboshgu:, would it best to open an RM on this? or would the creation of a new page called Major League Baseball Wild Card Series, be preferred? GoodDay ( talk) 17:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
A combined page called Major League Baseball Wild Card. It's what I've always wanted :) GoodDay ( talk) 21:19, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Well, this is discouraging. The page's current title isn't going to be changed, even though the Wild Card Game is now historic & the Wild Card Series is current. Good luck to 'whoever' opens up an RM on this. GoodDay ( talk) 23:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
I have created Draft:Major League Baseball Wild Card Series, if we wanted to create a new article that focused on just the series. That could be used as a start. Esolo5002 ( talk) 13:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move to the proposed title, which editors noted was both shorter and more reflective of the event's current form. Some editors argued that the article should remain at its current title, and the Wild Card Series be discussed as a separate page; however, other editors argued that there was a continuity between the Wild Card Game and the Wild Card Series that would make such a split unnecessary. A proposal of merging both the Game and the Series into a unified "Major League Baseball Wild Card" article did not receive significant traction. Consequently, neither the split nor the merge proposals were able to break the consensus for the proposed title.
The RM also addressed the question of what capitalization should be used for the title. The principal line of argument here was whether "Wild Card Series" was a proper noun (which would necessitate capitalization) or not (in which case WP:NCCAPS would dictate the use of lowercase). Ngrams evidence was provided, showing a lead for the capitalized form of the title, though there was debate over whether this lead was significant enough to indicate consistent usage of capitalization. This evidence alone didn't suggest a clear consensus for one capitalization or the other; however, advocates of the capitalized form also emphasized that the capitalized title would be WP:CONSISTENT with other baseball events like the World Series and Division Series. Thus, the capitalized title proved to be backed by a broader range of policy. Note, however, that relatively few people discussed the matter of capitalization in the first place, so a follow-up discussion on the preferred capitalization could be helpful to establish a clearer consensus. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Major League Baseball Wild Card Game → Wild Card Series – To match with World Series, League Championship Series and Division Series pages GoodDay ( talk) 23:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
An RM has been opened for League Championship Series & Division Series. -- GoodDay ( talk) 03:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect
Talk:Major League Baseball Wild Card Game or Series and has thus listed it
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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 5#Talk:Major League Baseball Wild Card Game or Series until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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Re: Speedy Deletion, this is an entire playoff round conducted between 8 Major League Baseball teams each year. As such, it is as important as the following pages, each of which eliminates a team from World Series contention:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League_Championship_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League_Division_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_Championship_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_Division_Series
And more important and notable than the 'One Game Playoff', which is only used rarely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-game_playoff
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreslough ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't have any sources that state that this round is called the Wild Card Showdown. Six Sided Pun Vows ( talk | contribs | former account) 18:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I also couldn't find a reference to this name. The link given by [1] doesn't use the phrase. 24.189.25.107 ( talk) 00:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
This page does not explain what a wildcard team is, or how they are chosen. e.g. Can both wildcard teams come from the same division? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.29.167 ( talk) 15:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
All media about the 2012 Wild Card Game refers to it as such, not the "Wild Card Playoff". This can be seen on MLB's official website here. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp?y=12 ..... I propose that this article be renamed to Wild Card Game, as other articles about the baseball postseason don't use MLB in the title, ( Division Series, League Championship Series, World Series). I also think it would be wise to create separate articles about the NL and AL Wild Card Games, as the LDS and LCS have. This would follow suit with other Wikipedia articles, and would fall in line with the official media. -- Rekameohs ( talk) 10:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if the line showing the 1999 actual Wild Card playoff game should be altered to reflect the Mets as the Visitor team and the Reds as the Host team, seeing as this was actually the case (per http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN199910040.shtml). Thanks. -- Ds093 ( talk) 10:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
A list of teams that would have qualified for a second wild card in previous seasons has been re-added to this article. Generally, as there are many "what if" scenarios that could be discussed, the bar for including this type of information is pretty high, and I do not believe this list is sufficiently notable for inclusion on this article: the explanation of the two wild cards is sufficiently clear, with real-world examples now from 2012, that having a long list of possibilities from previous years is not necessary. (Note that the teams would have used different strategies had there been a second wild card, as they did in 2012, and so there is no guarantee that the standings would have ended up in the same way.) I propose reverting this edit. isaacl ( talk) 03:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
How exactly is putting the actual two best non-divisional teams (most people likely don't know who were the runner ups in the Wild Card prior to 2012 and clearly only pertains to the 1995 onward era) in a one-game playoff prior to the implementation of the MLB Wild Card Game a true "what if" scenario!? You really seem to be thinking way beyond or ahead of another wise basic scenario (like thinking about how differently a manager would operate and what not). A what if scenario would be which team would have a better chance of winning, thus altering the playoff outlook (and possibly even further than that). Another actual what if scenario would be speculating how the cancelled 1994 season would've ended if it weren't for the strike. And using Lou Gerhig as an analogy doesn't make sense because that has nothing to due w/ using a final statistic (we can at that rate, go on all day about how much differently a player's career might have turned out had they not gotten injured), like end of season records as a main point of reference. BornonJune8 ( talk) 07:02 p.m., 22 October 2012 (UTC)
In some styles, the compound "wild card" is capitalized to keep it together as a unit (you wouldn't want people thinking your card game is wild); in others, it is hyphenated; in still others, it's just left lowercase open, under the assumption that the readership is so familiar with the that the ambiguity will not be a problem. MLB typically uses capitalization of "Wild Card", but not of "game" or "team" that comes after. Many other sources use the hyphen. WP style is to avoid unnecessary capitalization, reserving it for proper names, and to use hyphens to clarify grammatical structure; see MOS:CAPS and MOS:HYPHEN. So I fixed it. Someone reverted, claiming "Wild Card Game" so capitalized is an "official name", which seems unlikely, but is seldom styled that way even by MLB, so I fixed it back. Note what's done in sources; [1].
This is not like Division Series and such, which are trademarks, according to MLB web pages that state "The following are trademarks or service marks of Major League Baseball entities and may be used only with permission of Major League Baseball Properties, Inc. or the relevant Major League Baseball entity: Major League, Major League Baseball, MLB, the silhouetted batter logo, World Series, National League, American League, Division Series, League Championship Series, All-Star Game, and the names, nicknames, logos, uniform designs, color combinations, and slogans designating the Major League Baseball clubs and entities, and their respective mascots, events and exhibitions." Dicklyon ( talk) 16:36, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
2014 update: MLB usage almost always initial-capitalizes "Wild Card Game" ( Google search). It's also consistent with MLB and WP usage in articles World Series, American League Championship Series, American League Division Series, etc. MLB seems to never use "wild-card" with a hyphen and neither does WP in most articles. So propose rename to "Major League Baseball Wild Card Game". Facts707 ( talk) 18:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Whatever eventually got decided here, the capitalization is all over the place. In most instances here it's "Wild Card Game" but there are one or two that just use lower case. Then there's "Wild Card Series" and "Wild Card Round" which are not always consistent either (at the time of this writing). Finally, whenever a wild card team is referenced, it's that way ("wild card team") instead of "Wild Card Team." Whatever arguments are made in favor of capitalization for "Wild Card Game" would surely apply to "Wild Card Team" as well. Just try doing a search on the article page for "card" and you'll see how it's all over the place. 2600:1702:4380:5FA0:C86F:2E29:8A96:4E8D ( talk) 05:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Major League Baseball wild-card game → Major League Baseball Wild Card Game – Please see 2014 update directly above. Thanks for considering. --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 03:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC) Facts707 ( talk) 18:21, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. You are invited to comment on this RFC. Thanks, -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 18:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
do y'all think on the MLB teams Wild card berths should be capitalized? Wild Card berths instead of Wild card berths? capital C? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
As I mentioned in the talk page for the Major League Baseball postseason, consolidating most of the postseason articles ought to be done for simplification purposes. This includes the consolidation of the postseason results on this page, the ALDS page, and the NLDS page into one article, similar to NFL playoff results. – Piranha 249 21:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not successful. (non-sysop closure) Naleksuh ( talk) 07:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Major League Baseball Wild Card Game → ? – With the new collective bargaining agreement in place, it will be a series rather than a game. This is procedural for the most part; the only question is whether the series will be named the Wild Card Round, Wild Card Series, or something else entirely. O.N.R. (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Come on folks. We've got the Division Series, League Championship Series & World Series. Wouldn't it be kinda obvious that the first round will be called the Wild Card Series? GoodDay ( talk) 15:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
We've got new pages 2022 American League Wild Card Series & 2022 National League Wild Card Series (and the 2020 ones), as MLB has changed from the Wild Card Game format to the Wild Card Series format. I assumed my (now reverted) page move, reflected this fact. GoodDay ( talk) 17:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Old Naval Rooftops: and @ Muboshgu:, would it best to open an RM on this? or would the creation of a new page called Major League Baseball Wild Card Series, be preferred? GoodDay ( talk) 17:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
A combined page called Major League Baseball Wild Card. It's what I've always wanted :) GoodDay ( talk) 21:19, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Well, this is discouraging. The page's current title isn't going to be changed, even though the Wild Card Game is now historic & the Wild Card Series is current. Good luck to 'whoever' opens up an RM on this. GoodDay ( talk) 23:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
I have created Draft:Major League Baseball Wild Card Series, if we wanted to create a new article that focused on just the series. That could be used as a start. Esolo5002 ( talk) 13:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move to the proposed title, which editors noted was both shorter and more reflective of the event's current form. Some editors argued that the article should remain at its current title, and the Wild Card Series be discussed as a separate page; however, other editors argued that there was a continuity between the Wild Card Game and the Wild Card Series that would make such a split unnecessary. A proposal of merging both the Game and the Series into a unified "Major League Baseball Wild Card" article did not receive significant traction. Consequently, neither the split nor the merge proposals were able to break the consensus for the proposed title.
The RM also addressed the question of what capitalization should be used for the title. The principal line of argument here was whether "Wild Card Series" was a proper noun (which would necessitate capitalization) or not (in which case WP:NCCAPS would dictate the use of lowercase). Ngrams evidence was provided, showing a lead for the capitalized form of the title, though there was debate over whether this lead was significant enough to indicate consistent usage of capitalization. This evidence alone didn't suggest a clear consensus for one capitalization or the other; however, advocates of the capitalized form also emphasized that the capitalized title would be WP:CONSISTENT with other baseball events like the World Series and Division Series. Thus, the capitalized title proved to be backed by a broader range of policy. Note, however, that relatively few people discussed the matter of capitalization in the first place, so a follow-up discussion on the preferred capitalization could be helpful to establish a clearer consensus. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Major League Baseball Wild Card Game → Wild Card Series – To match with World Series, League Championship Series and Division Series pages GoodDay ( talk) 23:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
An RM has been opened for League Championship Series & Division Series. -- GoodDay ( talk) 03:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect
Talk:Major League Baseball Wild Card Game or Series and has thus listed it
for discussion. This discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 5#Talk:Major League Baseball Wild Card Game or Series until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
O.N.R.
(talk)
04:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)