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I understand that Wikipedia intends to be fair, and some non- Christians "won't know what BC means", inspite of it being used in school and in history records for over a hundred years, that's why I'm not going to rave and demand that we rid wikipedia of [[BCE] http://www.religioustolerance.org/ce.htm] but next time maybe someone should put BC as well, at least with the featured articles like Ta-Yuan, so people will understand what you mean (I for one made the grave mistake a while back that BCE implied the time millions of years before Christ). Chooserr
This is a perpetual argument on Wikipedia. I can't find the record of previous debates just now, but our current policy is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Eras. FreplySpang (talk) 17:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
If nothing else, I definitely disagree to 'BJ'. That can only lead to sophomoric jokes.
We can't just invent these things, I support 'AD' and 'BC', as they're the ones used by the most people in the world today. -- Hexagon1 03:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
In the did you know section on Samuel Andrews, "a English-born chemist" should be "an English-born chemist". Graham/pianoman87 talk 05:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I disagree. It would be correct to write "a chemist". Adding the adjective 'English-born' in front of the noun 'chemist' should not alter this. L. Johnson 12:12pm (EST) 29 November 2005
The blurb currently runs ...that according to Breton folklore, not completing the 600 km long Tro Breizh in one's lifetime would condemn their soul to repeating a tour of equivalent length every seven years from within their coffin? Note that "their" has no antecedent. Should be changed to "...not doing the thingummy would condemn a person's soul to repeating a tour..." (or sweeter still, "...to repeat a tour...") Doops | talk 09:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
It's really simple question! But I agree with UP person
The news section needs to be updated with:
This happened at 11:00 (European time), i.e. less than five minutes ago. Molwok 10:08, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
== fazê-los == —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.240.138.38 ( talk • contribs) .
How about adding some info regarding the recent state assembly elections in Bihar, India -- 128.211.244.81 18:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The story about Sharon's new party re-directs to another page. The link may/should be re-written doktorb 22:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The blurb for the Sanhedrin article in Did You Know.. uses the word "principals" rather than the correct "principles" ... LeoO3 16:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I've added a request here at the Village Pump about adding RSS to the Main Page.-- Steve Marquis 00:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
does this belong on the main page?
I have updated the Kibaki page with information on this development.-- Gozar 01:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
"Beginning in the 10th century, the arrival of Europeans led to conflicts with the Natives and among the invading Europeans in the New World." should read "colonizing" vs. "invading". Also "has gone to war only within large, UN-sanctioned coalitions such as in the Korean War, the Gulf War, and the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan." is incorrect because of Canada's participation in the Kosovo War, which had no U.N. sanction.-- M4-10 07:01, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I request that Category:Art and Category:Philosophy be added to the Row Of Links at the top, and for Template:Ten portals links to be used in Template:PortalPage instead of the Template:Eight portals links. I think the reasons are pretty much self-explanatory, and I don't see any reasons not to have those two extra links. Infinity0 18:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Today the featured article is military history of Canada on the top left hand side and the top news story is the next Canadian election on the top right hand side. Comments on whether this could induce an apprehension of bias in North American coverage are welcome. Slac [[User talk:Lacrimosus|<small>speak up!</small>]] 19:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
The In the News item added today about the non-confidence motion in Canada's Parliament is a little misleading in its wording. It says should the vote pass it will trigger an immediate election. In fact it will trigger an immediate election campaign, not the vote itself; I believe Canadian law says the minimum length of an election campaign of 35 days or thereabouts so the actually vote won't take place for at least a month. 23skidoo 19:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Can I please get some information on Zaire? I need it for a report. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.231.77 ( talk • contribs) .
Koizumi set to pave way for female emperor - This seems like big news to me. In short, a government panel has recommended that female heirs be allowed to succeed to the Chrysanthemum Throne with the title of Emperor, and Koizumi is planning on introducing a bill in the Japanese Diet next year. Shouldn't this be on the main page? - Exitmoose 01:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Could someone with admin privileges please add something about the death of George Best to the 'In the news' section? You can just copy the text from Current events here.
Thanks, File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN ( talk) 14:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the right place for this... but I was just wondering what happened to the featured picture section.
Maybe this'd be way too US-centric or just not important at all, but it could be noted for November 25th that it is Black Friday today. - VJ 23:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
The front page needs to be more Americanized. There should be an "Americana" section. Lotsofissues 00:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is this page open for modification by anybody - I mean anybody can for example ruin it or delete other users' comments. It makes no sense; it is a bad design choice. I am very disappointed by this. —preceding unsigned comment by 129.241.111.45 ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 2005 November 26.
I think the blurb should definitely make mention of the fact that the controversy was because they were Al Jazeera facilities in an allied country. Simply wanting to bomb AJ facilities is not newsworthy; wanting to bomb their headquarters in a country that is allied to you, is. Sherurcij 05:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
"The featured picture for today (2005-11-26) is an image of a US soldier in combat firing a rifle, taken by a US Air Force photographer. At a time when much of the world is sick of American imperial aggression, do we really need this glorification of their armed forces? I think we are now owed a featured picture showing the bravery of some of their opponents, such as Iraqi freedom fighters."
213, if you have a high-quality photograph of an Iraqi freedom fighter, please upload it to Wikipedia and nominate it at WP:FPC. Or perhaps you can persuade your favorite non-US government to release its works into the public domain, an select photographs from there. We're not going to stop using US pictures just because other governments won't supply us with photographs. — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello, you have no Interwiki-Links on your main page. I find that's not good. See also
de:Hauptseite
We have all Interwiki-Links on the main page. That's important for globalization.
With kind regards
Matze6587
16:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
5 Wikipedia in other languages
Sorry, that's good so. Better than ours. Matze6587 17:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Did you get the news of the 6.1 temblor in Iran the epicenter of which was Bandar Abbas and Qeshm Island?
--anon on 27 November 2005
Last time we had a crown copyright image on the main page - I think it was David Blunkett in the news - somebody said Wikipedia was obligated to caption it with the words 'crown copyright'. Since Image:Lord_goldsmith.jpg is similarly crown copyright, should somebody go ahead and do this again? -- After word 22:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Congresswoman Jean Schmidt was mentioned in passing in the front page article about Tom Brinkman. After her embarrassing speech in the U. S. House of Representatives this past week, her appearance in the national body politic of America is likely to be a short one. After calling the most decorated military member of Congress a coward, she was forced to retract her words
Is anyone concerned that the recent featured 'articles' about pop stars and indie movies could be written by advertisers? The underestimation of the severity of this issue is disheartening. The articles on the Stefani song and Cox movie were corporate advertisments, even if they were written by fans. The potential abuse of wikipedia to advertise products is a real possiblity-if this hasn't occured already. How do we know if interns at corporations aren't encouraged to edit articles to plug products? I love wikipedia, but if I continue see advertisements posing as a featured article, with so little discussion about its questionability, my love will become disdain. Please help. I want to love. Vonsnip 06:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I have no idea what any of you are talking about, with the exception of user Zoe. I am not disputing the quality of prose in the aforementioned articles or their factual content. What I am concerned with is wikipedia being used as a means and new forum for advertising. Are you familiar with viral marketing? What criteria is the "long vetting process" using to ferret out potential advertisers posing as general users? Is this a concern at all in the vetting process? Of course things that are obviously advertisements will get edited, but in my view the two articles referred to earlier clearly had the invisible hand of a PR rep somewhere in the process. I do not oppose the inclusion of products, pop songs or pop films, but seeing two featured articles in a two week period that describe items currently (or soon to be) available to the consumer should raise eyebrows (the Stefani song is making a push top the charts, while the Cox film is up for DVD release in late December, perfect for Christmas). If you doubt that marketers are licking their chops at wikipedia's potential for advertising you are naive. Wikipedia is the perfect testing ground for viral marketing. That there is no evidence of this occuring is not reason enough to ignore a potential problem that exists. Will someone actually interested in discussing this write, instead of someone's confused banter about Jamaican vineyards (I'm kidding Afterword) Vonsnip 06:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I disagree with the use of "fiercely" in the blurb about Tom Brinkman. According to Webster's, "fierce" means "violently unfriendly or aggressive in disposition", which seems POV, unless this guy is actually a rabid animal or something. I wouldn't know.
Substituting something like "staunchly" (similar to the first paragraph of his article) would do the job just as well, and without the negative connotations of "fierce".
-- Ultra Megatron 04:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Tom Brinkman is one of several thousand state legislators in the US. Does he really merit featured article treatment considering that there is nothing particularly noteworthy about him? The only reason I can think for making him the featured article is that he is considering running against Jean Schmidt in OH-2 and wouldn't mind the free Wikipedia advertising.
-- Ortcutt 08:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Pick a two-week period. Now find fourteen of the most untraditonally encyclopedic featured articles and spill them on the front page day after day. The talk page will go mad for days but finally the whiners will move away from their ideal. Lotsofissues 11:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
The vote was actually 171 for to 133 against, not 131 against. 128.171.90.200 00:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
It says...
Don't look now, but we seem to be neck and neck with a certain 24-hr cable/web site. It must be the coincidences on the Main Page. -- Ancheta Wis 05:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Full text searching is fine for many occasions when finding information; but having a well designed classification system can be invaluable in approaching relevant information from a different direction - and Wikipedia does not have one. The current categories are a mess - how do we improve this? —preceding unsigned comment by Ncameron ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 November 2005
I strongly recommend something more relevant, like the cover of William Gibson's Neuromancer, or Blade Runner. Kade 18:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
i was wondering who king solomon was so i looked him up. it turns it means peace in hebrew, as salam (as in islam) means peace. intresting connection!
Bold textI was wondering who King Solomon was so I looked him up. It turns it means peace in Hebrew, as salam (as in Islam) means peace. Intresting connection!
The correct term here is "under way," not "underway." The combining of the who words is an adjective form.
Really? In the "In The News" section, sandwiched between Canada kicking out its PM and the summit to find a successor to the Kyoto Treaty, we find... Mozilla's releasing a Firefox update? What the heck? How does this qualify as "in the news"? Just because some admins use it? Can't wait till admins start posting " High Point <!--my alma mater, baby!-->wins a crucial Big South Conference men's basketball game against UNC-Asheville, 72-66", or any other fringe, non-newsworthy topic that has some basic element in reality and may be newsworthy to a small fragment of readers, but has no real spot in "in the news".
All this to say, could someone take it down (and maybe post something more newsworthy in its place)? Matt Yeager 06:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Why was the USA Today story on Wikipedia removed from ITN? I thought it was rad! Babajobu 08:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
This e-letter was written to the last and most influential person to pass judgment against my mention in Wikipedia (he is known as User: Kschutte, and he holds a B.A. from Cal. State Univ. in Sacramento. It is shown to you because of your involvement in this troubling case of character defamation!
I thank you for proving to me beyond all reasonable doubt what it is that is really wrong with the world in which we live. You will, with the utter conviction and confidence that comes from years of hard mental work, be certain that one of the world’s problems is that of people like me, people you might think are malcontents, dysfunctional misfits, and radical non-conformists. To some extent, given that I am by no means an anarchist, there is much to worry about people who really do fit those labels. I do not. Yes, I am a non-conformist to some extent but not malcontent nor diagnosable as a dysfunctional misfit. I will, with equal confidence and conviction (imbued in me by laypersons, many of whom have had the quality of their lives improved upon by what I had to relate to them in the form of philosophical and practical advice, and some whose lives were saved in part due to my requested intervention), be certain that much of the world’s problems are the result of too much power, authority and influence being entrusted to a certain number of academics whose tendency to belittle the lives of non-accredited intellectuals is but only one of numerous repressive ways by which such academics serve the interests of an elite few (too often at the expense of society and the environments). You will it find it quite convenient to ignore my words as the ranting of a person of trivial consequence, ignoring the true meaning, depths and importance of my words, but I will write them nonetheless, if only as a means to vent my fury. Have you ever wondered why there are no major efforts to constantly, regularly remind the public at large about the need to ask the big questions, to dare to philosophize, to engage in deep introspect??? Is it any wonder that so many people right here in America live in such abject poverty and crime infested neighborhoods, when the highly educated elite have made higher education a very big, very exclusive, excessively costly, profit-making business out of higher education??? Why, if the upper class of America really cared about the lower, working class there should at least be signs, posters, billboards and public service announcements constantly inviting each and every citizen to ponder every and all major question that has always been on the minds of all true philosophers throughout the ages! Shamefully enough, instead of such major efforts at generating wisdom and enlightenment in the masses, all of which could be financed and made possible by a combined effort involving major institutions of higher learning, government and the private sector, we live in a world that not even Plato, with his elitist ideals concerning poets and philosophers, would approve of. In his times all that was required to be recognized as a philosopher was to sit out in public, be accessible and invite people to ask questions, to discuss opinions and observations, to engage in philosophical debate and discourse, and for that dedicated philosopher to show true love and respect for knowledge and wisdom. True, a professor of philosophy may also be a Philosopher, albeit most are far from the mark, for they live in their own disconnect, their own non-inter-disciplinary world of often convoluted abstractions and overly-complex constructs. These diploma-dependent praise-addicts are so disconnected and unaware of the real world and its everyday miseries that, insulated by the pseudo-paragons of their respective institutions, they cannot seriously consider the possibility of someone being a true auto-didactic intellectual genius. Perhaps without intending it, absent of any real malice, you have added your all-powerful voice to what I can only describe as a “mob of yuppies and overzealous PhD.s.” who may think that they have succeeded in disenfranchising me from Wikipedia, when all that has really happened is that a clique-mentality-controlled Wikipedia has played foul with wrong person and is about to find out just to what extent things have gone really wrong. This systemic problem spells disaster for Wikipedia as it now stands. Wikipedia’s days, unless significant changes are made and certain editing pro-deletionist users are weeded-out, are now numbered. Even so, I am making an effort to understand where your concerns really lie, for even I recognize the indisputable fact that the world would also be in grave danger if respect for qualified authority, professionals, experts, specialists and even, yes, technocrats! However, when such empowered formally accredited persons start mocking, bullying and dismissing the views of an auto-didactic intellectual, who really is recognized by some PhD.s as a true Philosopher in his own right, and whose only fault (if it really should be called such) is not having had the means (time, opportunity or money) to acquire a serious, advanced-level, well-structured formal education, then we must all watch out! For in so doing the illusion of an advanced civilization is then revealed to be a big, fat, and brutally cold lie, whose cleverly devised legal systems, rules of conduct and social expectations are simply there to create a vast construct whose only purpose is to protect the vast wealth and related interests of a select few! As I read your brief annotation to the debate I asked myself how can it be that a man of your professional background, significant accomplishments and well-above-average intelligence, someone who has shown great compassion for autistic persons (I’ve looked into your credentials, curriculum vitae, etc.), how could such a person, never having taken the trouble and courtesy of offering me a private audience over the Internet (you could even have called me) or at least making the honorable effort of contacting one, two, three or all four of the prominent individuals whose numbers I listed, how could you make a statement such as this: “ Even if he were notable in some other language (which I'm sure he isn't), he oughtn't be added to an English-language encyclopedia until he has reached multinational (i.e., multilanguage) prominence.” ??? The words I find most shocking are “which I’m sure he isn’t” !!! That kind of assumption stated with such certainty is by no means appropriate for someone of your caliber! That I am not listed in The Philosopher’s Index should come as no surprise to anyone with a real knowledge of my biographical record, and it has nothing to do with which languages I’ve published in or been interviewed. I am not a peer-review-dependent formally accredited PhD. who teaches the philosophical views of true Philosophers. I am a true Philosopher, whose main set of ideas are highly advanced and, as some of my friends and colleagues feel, are probably before their time (avant-garde). Anyway, I just thought I’d let you know what I think about your input and the sum effect of your fellow Wikipedians. Lastly, I am compelled to take all this to the media and hope that it will cause great condemnation and generate calls for a thorough revision of Wikipedia policy and practice, as well as a major detailed investigation into what I and others (including former Wikipedians) see as a dangerous bias on the part of the current gate-keepers of Wikipedia.
I kindly request that no one should write about me on Wikipedia without my personal consent in writing. I was mentioned herein for over three years, after passing an initial line of inquiry and verification, but no more. Wikipedia does not deserve to have the right to mention me, as it is no longer living up to its original intent and reputation. I forbid anyone from further attempts to defame my character, and I have informed my solicitor in London to find the means to enforce my request, if need be. However, allow me to say this in closing: Wikipedia can still be, once more, a respectable source of information and an invaluable asset to our global cultural exchange. Good luck and good night!68.48.73.93 13:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
It may sound like I am making fun of him; and I am, but I'm also sincerely curious. What would he be most likely diagnosed with? Lotsofissues 13:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
In a lot of places across Wikipedia, Hindi is written in the Devnagri script as हिन्दी. This pronounces as Han'di, which is obviously wrong and disrespectful. The actual spelling is िहन्दी. Please correct this, as this is a huge spelling error. Sabretooth 14:11, Wednesday November 30 2005 (UTC)
The spell is perfectly correct as i see it..and i speak and write in hindi as well
It is correct, but Windows sometimes positions the characters incorrectly; see the box I just added
Wikipedia:Enabling complex text support for Indic scripts. —
Knowledge Seeker
দ 04:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC) (put direct link in to avoid categorizing this talk page. —
Knowledge Seeker
দ
05:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Sabretooth has made a very pertinent observation. A few days back when I first opened the Hindi pages I soon moved away from it, precisely because of this jarring error across the pages in several words. The "Rahsva" "ee" should be positioned before the "H" followed by the "N" as suggested earlier. Another word I noticed moments ago is "Vishwavidyalaya" # दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय - similar error. There are numerous others. KnowledgeSeeker has a point but surely there may be a method for rectifying this problem when it occurs so frequently. Thanks.
Pictowrit
04:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The post from 68.48.73.93 13:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC) ignored the note on the top of the Talk page. The screed from 68.xx does not belong on this page. -- Ancheta Wis 14:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
How did this flag of Hong Kong article get to be the featured article?
It was a blue Union Jack ensign (!!!) with the Hong Kong coat of arms (!!!) on a white disk centred on the outer half of the flag.
CORRECTED: It was the UK Blue Ensign “ defaced” with the Hong Kong Arms, (Armorial Bearings), on a white disk centred on the outer half of the flag. The 1876 design featured a colonial badge, showing a local scene instead of the Hong Kong Arms.
NOTE: The current emblem is not the armorial bearings. It replaced the armorial bearings used before 1997. The best option is to have two linked articles - "Hong Kong Emblem" and "Hong Kong Armorial Bearings. Anyway "Coat of Arms" is both ugly and technically incorrect - Armorial Bearings (NOT Armorial Bearing) is correct; so ALL "Coats of Arms" should be altered! This is not pedantic - since the correct terms should always be used. Likewise a "Crest" is the thing on top of the helmet NOT the shield from the armorial bearings! Also an emblem can easily be replaced by Armorial Bearings, and visa versa - at the order of the ruling authority at the time! Skull 'n' Femurs 15:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The image is showing incorrectly, with some kind of distortion at the bottom of the text in the image. Osgoodelawyer 18:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I believe that "The Red Army invaded Finland, but were stalled at the Mannerheim Line" should read "The Red Army invaded Finland, but was stalled at the Mannerheim Line." There's one (singular) army, as evidenced by "the fighting ability of the Red Army was put into question" in the introduction of the Winter War article itself. - Rebelguys2 18:54, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I've changed 'were' to 'was'. Thanks to all for pointing this out. -- PFHLai 22:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The did you know has this:
...that Jack Jouett, known as the "Paul Revere of the South", saved Thomas Jefferson and other Revolutionary leaders in Virginia by warning them of a British cavalry raid meant to capture them? |
Can anyone make a link to Paul Revere article too? Because some people might not know who that is. -- WB 00:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
So Rosa Parks was known as the "Mother of the Modern Day Civil Rights Movement", was and is mourned by millions, and respected by millions more. Does anyone else feel we could use a better photo of her than that mugshot? Moriori 03:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
[responding to Moriori's comments of 7:35 UTC] OK, as I see it you are making several different arguments against the illustration. I realize that my restatements of these below aren't exactly in your words, but I think they mirror the points you are trying to make:
My responses (note that I am in no way been involved in the FA process nor in the writing of this particular article; my views are those of a pure outsider):
As far as I can see, arguments 1 & 2 have nothing to do with the serious charge of POV; they're just the kind of good faith editorial discussion that goes on among reasonable people. Only the 3rd one could involve POV; you appear (again, I am sorry if I am misinterpreting) to be alleging that editors with an anti-Rosa Parks POV are using this picture to demean her. If that is your worry, I think you can put it from your mind; as I've suggested above, it's my impression that the heroes of the civil rights movement would have viewed such a photograph as a badge of honor, not of shame. Furthermore, even if Rosa Parks didn't see it this way, even if she personally hated this photograph and would rather be pictured in a more photogenic way — even if this is the case, a charge of POV would only be valid if the wikipedia editors knew this and intentionally included the photograph to spite her. Otherwise, it's, again, simply an editorial discussion.
In short: if you want to argue against the photo on editorial grounds, fine. But charges of POV are uncalled-for. Doops | talk 08:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Moriori wrote: Knowledge Seeeker, answer me this. If we had a Main Page feature tomorrow on Nelson Mandela, would you support it being illustrated with a pic of Mandela behind bars? As far as I'm concerned, such a photo could very well be appropriate. If spending years in prison is an important part of who you are and what you're known for, then it's not irrelevant. And it's not necessarily negative; if your imprisonment was unjust, then I would argue that there's no shame in being imprisoned. Of course that's not to say that a photo of Mandela behind bars is the only possible illustration. But if I were FA director, I would be looking for interesting photos. Mandela behind bars, Mandela shaking hands with De Klerk, etc. — interesting. Mandela posing for the camera — boring. Finally, bear this in mind: for children too young to remember apartheid, an image of Mandela behind bars isn't just interesting, it's powerful. This isn't just a dry topic of discussion on the Wikipedia; real people faced real consequences (like jail) for their stances — and this was only a couple of decades ago! Drama is not the exclusive province of the tabloids — they give Pulitzer Prizes for photos, you know. Doops | talk 08:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I find that the featured article Rosa Parks is an extremely fitting choice, especially since today is the 50th anniv. of the Montgomery Bus Incident. Pacific Coast Highway 04:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, that picture was chosen because it's only one of two free images in that article, the other being extremely low in quality. Raul654 10:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I would just like to add that today is also the anniversary of Icelandic freedom from Denmark, i.e. the decolonization of Iceland. Important event, right? =) —preceding unsigned comment by 80.208.231.130 ( talk • contribs) 08:36, 2005 December 1
Mostly out of curiosity, how is it that the Main Page Talk has been included in the category Articles with Indic Text? CAPS LOCK 21:09, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
(1. dec) as a matter of fact i didn`t know, that children beaten up by their parents were 'naughty'. i thought it was a crime in some countries already.
ahh.. I* referred to the word 'naughty'. parents beating their children is a crime, even it isn't illegal. 'spanking naughty children' is a tasteless euphemism for violence against children. at least in my moral universe. the word 'naughty' implies, that the parents somehow have to beat them up, to better them. I*'d very much like it to be removed, the rest can stay as it is, especially, as the article itself makes no mention at all of this practice. thank you
POINT OF INTEREST: I love spanking my girlfriend. I've never beaten her up. You dramatic use of language is absurd. While spanking my gf is different from spanking a child, I've used it to show that we usually recognise the word spank as very much different from beating up, whether the context be sexual or punitive. -- J o h n O You found the secret writing! 03:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I have recently come across a site related to kendo (not mine) and I was wondering if it is allowed to be posted in the japan section. The site has been up for about 2 weeks and in that time has received a wealth of info. The site is http://www.international-kendo.com
The sentence about the idiot who got caught doing something he knew would carry the death penalty contains a mistake: "...despite pleas of clemency" should read "despite pleas for clemency". -- J o h n O You found the secret writing! 03:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
One glance at the face transplant article reveals that there are many face transplant cases before the recent one by the French team. This recent surgery is the first successful mouth and nose transplant. Could somebody clarify the misleading note in the In the news? - VJ 03:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I am going to construct a website like this in my company! I need your help to achieve this mission. Who can help me?
Look at the case of Canadian Nguyen Thi Hiep or Dutchman Johannes van Damme], one doesn't even have a wiki, the other only a foreign wiki...I'm quite sure neither ever made "Front Page Wiki News". It seems there is a disturbing trend to report on our Main Page, things that are of very little significance on a global scale. Sherurcij 09:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I think the problem is perhaps that we like to report what the media's reporting, rather than what we objectively decide is noteworthy. The media likes to sensationalize, that's how it sells advertising space. We should not be guilty of the same crime, or worse...simply reporting on the same things as the general because we fail to stop and think whether something is actually noteworthy. Sherurcij 13:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think we should get into the game of deciding if news items are noteworthy or not; I see the point of ITN as a section where people who hear about things in the news can get more information on them from Wikipedia. Therefore the two criteria for inclusion in ITN should be a) major English news outlet coverage and b) good references in Wikipedia. Demi T/ C 17:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps the fact that Australians do not choose to barbarically execute their citizens has something to do with why it is such big news. 220.235.174.222 00:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is how South Africa restricts it's same sex marriages front page news? Isn't that what they choose to do like Canadians and mayonnaise. Front page news anywhere is always chosen subjectively no mater what media. The hanging has been front page news to Australians just as I'm sure the article on South Africa's restrictions on same sex marriage has been front page news there. Let it go. 220.235.174.222 11:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, Main Page currently reads, "Australian citizen Van Tuong Nguyen..." Am I the only one who sees something strange in this? - Naif 12:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Am I mis-counting, or does the page say "6 Sister-projects" and happily display 8 clickable logos? If there is a crux, it might be worth clarifying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fastifex ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The Dec. 2 lead article on acetic acid was so gripping and relevant to the times in which we live that I kept reading it over and over for the rest of the day. I never realized just how far-reaching and pervasive are the impacts of any acid, let alone mere acetic acid. This was truly an epiphany for me, intellectually. We need more of this sort of thing to counterbalance some of the base topics that have been seen on the homepage in the past.
Sca 19:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Erm, the article of the day seems to have been altered. Radically. Thought I'd bring this to someone's attention.
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I understand that Wikipedia intends to be fair, and some non- Christians "won't know what BC means", inspite of it being used in school and in history records for over a hundred years, that's why I'm not going to rave and demand that we rid wikipedia of [[BCE] http://www.religioustolerance.org/ce.htm] but next time maybe someone should put BC as well, at least with the featured articles like Ta-Yuan, so people will understand what you mean (I for one made the grave mistake a while back that BCE implied the time millions of years before Christ). Chooserr
This is a perpetual argument on Wikipedia. I can't find the record of previous debates just now, but our current policy is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Eras. FreplySpang (talk) 17:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
If nothing else, I definitely disagree to 'BJ'. That can only lead to sophomoric jokes.
We can't just invent these things, I support 'AD' and 'BC', as they're the ones used by the most people in the world today. -- Hexagon1 03:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
In the did you know section on Samuel Andrews, "a English-born chemist" should be "an English-born chemist". Graham/pianoman87 talk 05:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I disagree. It would be correct to write "a chemist". Adding the adjective 'English-born' in front of the noun 'chemist' should not alter this. L. Johnson 12:12pm (EST) 29 November 2005
The blurb currently runs ...that according to Breton folklore, not completing the 600 km long Tro Breizh in one's lifetime would condemn their soul to repeating a tour of equivalent length every seven years from within their coffin? Note that "their" has no antecedent. Should be changed to "...not doing the thingummy would condemn a person's soul to repeating a tour..." (or sweeter still, "...to repeat a tour...") Doops | talk 09:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
It's really simple question! But I agree with UP person
The news section needs to be updated with:
This happened at 11:00 (European time), i.e. less than five minutes ago. Molwok 10:08, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
== fazê-los == —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.240.138.38 ( talk • contribs) .
How about adding some info regarding the recent state assembly elections in Bihar, India -- 128.211.244.81 18:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The story about Sharon's new party re-directs to another page. The link may/should be re-written doktorb 22:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The blurb for the Sanhedrin article in Did You Know.. uses the word "principals" rather than the correct "principles" ... LeoO3 16:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I've added a request here at the Village Pump about adding RSS to the Main Page.-- Steve Marquis 00:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
does this belong on the main page?
I have updated the Kibaki page with information on this development.-- Gozar 01:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
"Beginning in the 10th century, the arrival of Europeans led to conflicts with the Natives and among the invading Europeans in the New World." should read "colonizing" vs. "invading". Also "has gone to war only within large, UN-sanctioned coalitions such as in the Korean War, the Gulf War, and the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan." is incorrect because of Canada's participation in the Kosovo War, which had no U.N. sanction.-- M4-10 07:01, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I request that Category:Art and Category:Philosophy be added to the Row Of Links at the top, and for Template:Ten portals links to be used in Template:PortalPage instead of the Template:Eight portals links. I think the reasons are pretty much self-explanatory, and I don't see any reasons not to have those two extra links. Infinity0 18:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Today the featured article is military history of Canada on the top left hand side and the top news story is the next Canadian election on the top right hand side. Comments on whether this could induce an apprehension of bias in North American coverage are welcome. Slac [[User talk:Lacrimosus|<small>speak up!</small>]] 19:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
The In the News item added today about the non-confidence motion in Canada's Parliament is a little misleading in its wording. It says should the vote pass it will trigger an immediate election. In fact it will trigger an immediate election campaign, not the vote itself; I believe Canadian law says the minimum length of an election campaign of 35 days or thereabouts so the actually vote won't take place for at least a month. 23skidoo 19:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Can I please get some information on Zaire? I need it for a report. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.231.77 ( talk • contribs) .
Koizumi set to pave way for female emperor - This seems like big news to me. In short, a government panel has recommended that female heirs be allowed to succeed to the Chrysanthemum Throne with the title of Emperor, and Koizumi is planning on introducing a bill in the Japanese Diet next year. Shouldn't this be on the main page? - Exitmoose 01:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Could someone with admin privileges please add something about the death of George Best to the 'In the news' section? You can just copy the text from Current events here.
Thanks, File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN ( talk) 14:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the right place for this... but I was just wondering what happened to the featured picture section.
Maybe this'd be way too US-centric or just not important at all, but it could be noted for November 25th that it is Black Friday today. - VJ 23:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
The front page needs to be more Americanized. There should be an "Americana" section. Lotsofissues 00:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is this page open for modification by anybody - I mean anybody can for example ruin it or delete other users' comments. It makes no sense; it is a bad design choice. I am very disappointed by this. —preceding unsigned comment by 129.241.111.45 ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 2005 November 26.
I think the blurb should definitely make mention of the fact that the controversy was because they were Al Jazeera facilities in an allied country. Simply wanting to bomb AJ facilities is not newsworthy; wanting to bomb their headquarters in a country that is allied to you, is. Sherurcij 05:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
"The featured picture for today (2005-11-26) is an image of a US soldier in combat firing a rifle, taken by a US Air Force photographer. At a time when much of the world is sick of American imperial aggression, do we really need this glorification of their armed forces? I think we are now owed a featured picture showing the bravery of some of their opponents, such as Iraqi freedom fighters."
213, if you have a high-quality photograph of an Iraqi freedom fighter, please upload it to Wikipedia and nominate it at WP:FPC. Or perhaps you can persuade your favorite non-US government to release its works into the public domain, an select photographs from there. We're not going to stop using US pictures just because other governments won't supply us with photographs. — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello, you have no Interwiki-Links on your main page. I find that's not good. See also
de:Hauptseite
We have all Interwiki-Links on the main page. That's important for globalization.
With kind regards
Matze6587
16:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
5 Wikipedia in other languages
Sorry, that's good so. Better than ours. Matze6587 17:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Did you get the news of the 6.1 temblor in Iran the epicenter of which was Bandar Abbas and Qeshm Island?
--anon on 27 November 2005
Last time we had a crown copyright image on the main page - I think it was David Blunkett in the news - somebody said Wikipedia was obligated to caption it with the words 'crown copyright'. Since Image:Lord_goldsmith.jpg is similarly crown copyright, should somebody go ahead and do this again? -- After word 22:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Congresswoman Jean Schmidt was mentioned in passing in the front page article about Tom Brinkman. After her embarrassing speech in the U. S. House of Representatives this past week, her appearance in the national body politic of America is likely to be a short one. After calling the most decorated military member of Congress a coward, she was forced to retract her words
Is anyone concerned that the recent featured 'articles' about pop stars and indie movies could be written by advertisers? The underestimation of the severity of this issue is disheartening. The articles on the Stefani song and Cox movie were corporate advertisments, even if they were written by fans. The potential abuse of wikipedia to advertise products is a real possiblity-if this hasn't occured already. How do we know if interns at corporations aren't encouraged to edit articles to plug products? I love wikipedia, but if I continue see advertisements posing as a featured article, with so little discussion about its questionability, my love will become disdain. Please help. I want to love. Vonsnip 06:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I have no idea what any of you are talking about, with the exception of user Zoe. I am not disputing the quality of prose in the aforementioned articles or their factual content. What I am concerned with is wikipedia being used as a means and new forum for advertising. Are you familiar with viral marketing? What criteria is the "long vetting process" using to ferret out potential advertisers posing as general users? Is this a concern at all in the vetting process? Of course things that are obviously advertisements will get edited, but in my view the two articles referred to earlier clearly had the invisible hand of a PR rep somewhere in the process. I do not oppose the inclusion of products, pop songs or pop films, but seeing two featured articles in a two week period that describe items currently (or soon to be) available to the consumer should raise eyebrows (the Stefani song is making a push top the charts, while the Cox film is up for DVD release in late December, perfect for Christmas). If you doubt that marketers are licking their chops at wikipedia's potential for advertising you are naive. Wikipedia is the perfect testing ground for viral marketing. That there is no evidence of this occuring is not reason enough to ignore a potential problem that exists. Will someone actually interested in discussing this write, instead of someone's confused banter about Jamaican vineyards (I'm kidding Afterword) Vonsnip 06:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I disagree with the use of "fiercely" in the blurb about Tom Brinkman. According to Webster's, "fierce" means "violently unfriendly or aggressive in disposition", which seems POV, unless this guy is actually a rabid animal or something. I wouldn't know.
Substituting something like "staunchly" (similar to the first paragraph of his article) would do the job just as well, and without the negative connotations of "fierce".
-- Ultra Megatron 04:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Tom Brinkman is one of several thousand state legislators in the US. Does he really merit featured article treatment considering that there is nothing particularly noteworthy about him? The only reason I can think for making him the featured article is that he is considering running against Jean Schmidt in OH-2 and wouldn't mind the free Wikipedia advertising.
-- Ortcutt 08:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Pick a two-week period. Now find fourteen of the most untraditonally encyclopedic featured articles and spill them on the front page day after day. The talk page will go mad for days but finally the whiners will move away from their ideal. Lotsofissues 11:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
The vote was actually 171 for to 133 against, not 131 against. 128.171.90.200 00:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
It says...
Don't look now, but we seem to be neck and neck with a certain 24-hr cable/web site. It must be the coincidences on the Main Page. -- Ancheta Wis 05:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Full text searching is fine for many occasions when finding information; but having a well designed classification system can be invaluable in approaching relevant information from a different direction - and Wikipedia does not have one. The current categories are a mess - how do we improve this? —preceding unsigned comment by Ncameron ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 November 2005
I strongly recommend something more relevant, like the cover of William Gibson's Neuromancer, or Blade Runner. Kade 18:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
i was wondering who king solomon was so i looked him up. it turns it means peace in hebrew, as salam (as in islam) means peace. intresting connection!
Bold textI was wondering who King Solomon was so I looked him up. It turns it means peace in Hebrew, as salam (as in Islam) means peace. Intresting connection!
The correct term here is "under way," not "underway." The combining of the who words is an adjective form.
Really? In the "In The News" section, sandwiched between Canada kicking out its PM and the summit to find a successor to the Kyoto Treaty, we find... Mozilla's releasing a Firefox update? What the heck? How does this qualify as "in the news"? Just because some admins use it? Can't wait till admins start posting " High Point <!--my alma mater, baby!-->wins a crucial Big South Conference men's basketball game against UNC-Asheville, 72-66", or any other fringe, non-newsworthy topic that has some basic element in reality and may be newsworthy to a small fragment of readers, but has no real spot in "in the news".
All this to say, could someone take it down (and maybe post something more newsworthy in its place)? Matt Yeager 06:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Why was the USA Today story on Wikipedia removed from ITN? I thought it was rad! Babajobu 08:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
This e-letter was written to the last and most influential person to pass judgment against my mention in Wikipedia (he is known as User: Kschutte, and he holds a B.A. from Cal. State Univ. in Sacramento. It is shown to you because of your involvement in this troubling case of character defamation!
I thank you for proving to me beyond all reasonable doubt what it is that is really wrong with the world in which we live. You will, with the utter conviction and confidence that comes from years of hard mental work, be certain that one of the world’s problems is that of people like me, people you might think are malcontents, dysfunctional misfits, and radical non-conformists. To some extent, given that I am by no means an anarchist, there is much to worry about people who really do fit those labels. I do not. Yes, I am a non-conformist to some extent but not malcontent nor diagnosable as a dysfunctional misfit. I will, with equal confidence and conviction (imbued in me by laypersons, many of whom have had the quality of their lives improved upon by what I had to relate to them in the form of philosophical and practical advice, and some whose lives were saved in part due to my requested intervention), be certain that much of the world’s problems are the result of too much power, authority and influence being entrusted to a certain number of academics whose tendency to belittle the lives of non-accredited intellectuals is but only one of numerous repressive ways by which such academics serve the interests of an elite few (too often at the expense of society and the environments). You will it find it quite convenient to ignore my words as the ranting of a person of trivial consequence, ignoring the true meaning, depths and importance of my words, but I will write them nonetheless, if only as a means to vent my fury. Have you ever wondered why there are no major efforts to constantly, regularly remind the public at large about the need to ask the big questions, to dare to philosophize, to engage in deep introspect??? Is it any wonder that so many people right here in America live in such abject poverty and crime infested neighborhoods, when the highly educated elite have made higher education a very big, very exclusive, excessively costly, profit-making business out of higher education??? Why, if the upper class of America really cared about the lower, working class there should at least be signs, posters, billboards and public service announcements constantly inviting each and every citizen to ponder every and all major question that has always been on the minds of all true philosophers throughout the ages! Shamefully enough, instead of such major efforts at generating wisdom and enlightenment in the masses, all of which could be financed and made possible by a combined effort involving major institutions of higher learning, government and the private sector, we live in a world that not even Plato, with his elitist ideals concerning poets and philosophers, would approve of. In his times all that was required to be recognized as a philosopher was to sit out in public, be accessible and invite people to ask questions, to discuss opinions and observations, to engage in philosophical debate and discourse, and for that dedicated philosopher to show true love and respect for knowledge and wisdom. True, a professor of philosophy may also be a Philosopher, albeit most are far from the mark, for they live in their own disconnect, their own non-inter-disciplinary world of often convoluted abstractions and overly-complex constructs. These diploma-dependent praise-addicts are so disconnected and unaware of the real world and its everyday miseries that, insulated by the pseudo-paragons of their respective institutions, they cannot seriously consider the possibility of someone being a true auto-didactic intellectual genius. Perhaps without intending it, absent of any real malice, you have added your all-powerful voice to what I can only describe as a “mob of yuppies and overzealous PhD.s.” who may think that they have succeeded in disenfranchising me from Wikipedia, when all that has really happened is that a clique-mentality-controlled Wikipedia has played foul with wrong person and is about to find out just to what extent things have gone really wrong. This systemic problem spells disaster for Wikipedia as it now stands. Wikipedia’s days, unless significant changes are made and certain editing pro-deletionist users are weeded-out, are now numbered. Even so, I am making an effort to understand where your concerns really lie, for even I recognize the indisputable fact that the world would also be in grave danger if respect for qualified authority, professionals, experts, specialists and even, yes, technocrats! However, when such empowered formally accredited persons start mocking, bullying and dismissing the views of an auto-didactic intellectual, who really is recognized by some PhD.s as a true Philosopher in his own right, and whose only fault (if it really should be called such) is not having had the means (time, opportunity or money) to acquire a serious, advanced-level, well-structured formal education, then we must all watch out! For in so doing the illusion of an advanced civilization is then revealed to be a big, fat, and brutally cold lie, whose cleverly devised legal systems, rules of conduct and social expectations are simply there to create a vast construct whose only purpose is to protect the vast wealth and related interests of a select few! As I read your brief annotation to the debate I asked myself how can it be that a man of your professional background, significant accomplishments and well-above-average intelligence, someone who has shown great compassion for autistic persons (I’ve looked into your credentials, curriculum vitae, etc.), how could such a person, never having taken the trouble and courtesy of offering me a private audience over the Internet (you could even have called me) or at least making the honorable effort of contacting one, two, three or all four of the prominent individuals whose numbers I listed, how could you make a statement such as this: “ Even if he were notable in some other language (which I'm sure he isn't), he oughtn't be added to an English-language encyclopedia until he has reached multinational (i.e., multilanguage) prominence.” ??? The words I find most shocking are “which I’m sure he isn’t” !!! That kind of assumption stated with such certainty is by no means appropriate for someone of your caliber! That I am not listed in The Philosopher’s Index should come as no surprise to anyone with a real knowledge of my biographical record, and it has nothing to do with which languages I’ve published in or been interviewed. I am not a peer-review-dependent formally accredited PhD. who teaches the philosophical views of true Philosophers. I am a true Philosopher, whose main set of ideas are highly advanced and, as some of my friends and colleagues feel, are probably before their time (avant-garde). Anyway, I just thought I’d let you know what I think about your input and the sum effect of your fellow Wikipedians. Lastly, I am compelled to take all this to the media and hope that it will cause great condemnation and generate calls for a thorough revision of Wikipedia policy and practice, as well as a major detailed investigation into what I and others (including former Wikipedians) see as a dangerous bias on the part of the current gate-keepers of Wikipedia.
I kindly request that no one should write about me on Wikipedia without my personal consent in writing. I was mentioned herein for over three years, after passing an initial line of inquiry and verification, but no more. Wikipedia does not deserve to have the right to mention me, as it is no longer living up to its original intent and reputation. I forbid anyone from further attempts to defame my character, and I have informed my solicitor in London to find the means to enforce my request, if need be. However, allow me to say this in closing: Wikipedia can still be, once more, a respectable source of information and an invaluable asset to our global cultural exchange. Good luck and good night!68.48.73.93 13:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
It may sound like I am making fun of him; and I am, but I'm also sincerely curious. What would he be most likely diagnosed with? Lotsofissues 13:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
In a lot of places across Wikipedia, Hindi is written in the Devnagri script as हिन्दी. This pronounces as Han'di, which is obviously wrong and disrespectful. The actual spelling is िहन्दी. Please correct this, as this is a huge spelling error. Sabretooth 14:11, Wednesday November 30 2005 (UTC)
The spell is perfectly correct as i see it..and i speak and write in hindi as well
It is correct, but Windows sometimes positions the characters incorrectly; see the box I just added
Wikipedia:Enabling complex text support for Indic scripts. —
Knowledge Seeker
দ 04:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC) (put direct link in to avoid categorizing this talk page. —
Knowledge Seeker
দ
05:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Sabretooth has made a very pertinent observation. A few days back when I first opened the Hindi pages I soon moved away from it, precisely because of this jarring error across the pages in several words. The "Rahsva" "ee" should be positioned before the "H" followed by the "N" as suggested earlier. Another word I noticed moments ago is "Vishwavidyalaya" # दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय - similar error. There are numerous others. KnowledgeSeeker has a point but surely there may be a method for rectifying this problem when it occurs so frequently. Thanks.
Pictowrit
04:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The post from 68.48.73.93 13:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC) ignored the note on the top of the Talk page. The screed from 68.xx does not belong on this page. -- Ancheta Wis 14:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
How did this flag of Hong Kong article get to be the featured article?
It was a blue Union Jack ensign (!!!) with the Hong Kong coat of arms (!!!) on a white disk centred on the outer half of the flag.
CORRECTED: It was the UK Blue Ensign “ defaced” with the Hong Kong Arms, (Armorial Bearings), on a white disk centred on the outer half of the flag. The 1876 design featured a colonial badge, showing a local scene instead of the Hong Kong Arms.
NOTE: The current emblem is not the armorial bearings. It replaced the armorial bearings used before 1997. The best option is to have two linked articles - "Hong Kong Emblem" and "Hong Kong Armorial Bearings. Anyway "Coat of Arms" is both ugly and technically incorrect - Armorial Bearings (NOT Armorial Bearing) is correct; so ALL "Coats of Arms" should be altered! This is not pedantic - since the correct terms should always be used. Likewise a "Crest" is the thing on top of the helmet NOT the shield from the armorial bearings! Also an emblem can easily be replaced by Armorial Bearings, and visa versa - at the order of the ruling authority at the time! Skull 'n' Femurs 15:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The image is showing incorrectly, with some kind of distortion at the bottom of the text in the image. Osgoodelawyer 18:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I believe that "The Red Army invaded Finland, but were stalled at the Mannerheim Line" should read "The Red Army invaded Finland, but was stalled at the Mannerheim Line." There's one (singular) army, as evidenced by "the fighting ability of the Red Army was put into question" in the introduction of the Winter War article itself. - Rebelguys2 18:54, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I've changed 'were' to 'was'. Thanks to all for pointing this out. -- PFHLai 22:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The did you know has this:
...that Jack Jouett, known as the "Paul Revere of the South", saved Thomas Jefferson and other Revolutionary leaders in Virginia by warning them of a British cavalry raid meant to capture them? |
Can anyone make a link to Paul Revere article too? Because some people might not know who that is. -- WB 00:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
So Rosa Parks was known as the "Mother of the Modern Day Civil Rights Movement", was and is mourned by millions, and respected by millions more. Does anyone else feel we could use a better photo of her than that mugshot? Moriori 03:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
[responding to Moriori's comments of 7:35 UTC] OK, as I see it you are making several different arguments against the illustration. I realize that my restatements of these below aren't exactly in your words, but I think they mirror the points you are trying to make:
My responses (note that I am in no way been involved in the FA process nor in the writing of this particular article; my views are those of a pure outsider):
As far as I can see, arguments 1 & 2 have nothing to do with the serious charge of POV; they're just the kind of good faith editorial discussion that goes on among reasonable people. Only the 3rd one could involve POV; you appear (again, I am sorry if I am misinterpreting) to be alleging that editors with an anti-Rosa Parks POV are using this picture to demean her. If that is your worry, I think you can put it from your mind; as I've suggested above, it's my impression that the heroes of the civil rights movement would have viewed such a photograph as a badge of honor, not of shame. Furthermore, even if Rosa Parks didn't see it this way, even if she personally hated this photograph and would rather be pictured in a more photogenic way — even if this is the case, a charge of POV would only be valid if the wikipedia editors knew this and intentionally included the photograph to spite her. Otherwise, it's, again, simply an editorial discussion.
In short: if you want to argue against the photo on editorial grounds, fine. But charges of POV are uncalled-for. Doops | talk 08:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Moriori wrote: Knowledge Seeeker, answer me this. If we had a Main Page feature tomorrow on Nelson Mandela, would you support it being illustrated with a pic of Mandela behind bars? As far as I'm concerned, such a photo could very well be appropriate. If spending years in prison is an important part of who you are and what you're known for, then it's not irrelevant. And it's not necessarily negative; if your imprisonment was unjust, then I would argue that there's no shame in being imprisoned. Of course that's not to say that a photo of Mandela behind bars is the only possible illustration. But if I were FA director, I would be looking for interesting photos. Mandela behind bars, Mandela shaking hands with De Klerk, etc. — interesting. Mandela posing for the camera — boring. Finally, bear this in mind: for children too young to remember apartheid, an image of Mandela behind bars isn't just interesting, it's powerful. This isn't just a dry topic of discussion on the Wikipedia; real people faced real consequences (like jail) for their stances — and this was only a couple of decades ago! Drama is not the exclusive province of the tabloids — they give Pulitzer Prizes for photos, you know. Doops | talk 08:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I find that the featured article Rosa Parks is an extremely fitting choice, especially since today is the 50th anniv. of the Montgomery Bus Incident. Pacific Coast Highway 04:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, that picture was chosen because it's only one of two free images in that article, the other being extremely low in quality. Raul654 10:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I would just like to add that today is also the anniversary of Icelandic freedom from Denmark, i.e. the decolonization of Iceland. Important event, right? =) —preceding unsigned comment by 80.208.231.130 ( talk • contribs) 08:36, 2005 December 1
Mostly out of curiosity, how is it that the Main Page Talk has been included in the category Articles with Indic Text? CAPS LOCK 21:09, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
(1. dec) as a matter of fact i didn`t know, that children beaten up by their parents were 'naughty'. i thought it was a crime in some countries already.
ahh.. I* referred to the word 'naughty'. parents beating their children is a crime, even it isn't illegal. 'spanking naughty children' is a tasteless euphemism for violence against children. at least in my moral universe. the word 'naughty' implies, that the parents somehow have to beat them up, to better them. I*'d very much like it to be removed, the rest can stay as it is, especially, as the article itself makes no mention at all of this practice. thank you
POINT OF INTEREST: I love spanking my girlfriend. I've never beaten her up. You dramatic use of language is absurd. While spanking my gf is different from spanking a child, I've used it to show that we usually recognise the word spank as very much different from beating up, whether the context be sexual or punitive. -- J o h n O You found the secret writing! 03:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I have recently come across a site related to kendo (not mine) and I was wondering if it is allowed to be posted in the japan section. The site has been up for about 2 weeks and in that time has received a wealth of info. The site is http://www.international-kendo.com
The sentence about the idiot who got caught doing something he knew would carry the death penalty contains a mistake: "...despite pleas of clemency" should read "despite pleas for clemency". -- J o h n O You found the secret writing! 03:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
One glance at the face transplant article reveals that there are many face transplant cases before the recent one by the French team. This recent surgery is the first successful mouth and nose transplant. Could somebody clarify the misleading note in the In the news? - VJ 03:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I am going to construct a website like this in my company! I need your help to achieve this mission. Who can help me?
Look at the case of Canadian Nguyen Thi Hiep or Dutchman Johannes van Damme], one doesn't even have a wiki, the other only a foreign wiki...I'm quite sure neither ever made "Front Page Wiki News". It seems there is a disturbing trend to report on our Main Page, things that are of very little significance on a global scale. Sherurcij 09:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I think the problem is perhaps that we like to report what the media's reporting, rather than what we objectively decide is noteworthy. The media likes to sensationalize, that's how it sells advertising space. We should not be guilty of the same crime, or worse...simply reporting on the same things as the general because we fail to stop and think whether something is actually noteworthy. Sherurcij 13:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think we should get into the game of deciding if news items are noteworthy or not; I see the point of ITN as a section where people who hear about things in the news can get more information on them from Wikipedia. Therefore the two criteria for inclusion in ITN should be a) major English news outlet coverage and b) good references in Wikipedia. Demi T/ C 17:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps the fact that Australians do not choose to barbarically execute their citizens has something to do with why it is such big news. 220.235.174.222 00:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is how South Africa restricts it's same sex marriages front page news? Isn't that what they choose to do like Canadians and mayonnaise. Front page news anywhere is always chosen subjectively no mater what media. The hanging has been front page news to Australians just as I'm sure the article on South Africa's restrictions on same sex marriage has been front page news there. Let it go. 220.235.174.222 11:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, Main Page currently reads, "Australian citizen Van Tuong Nguyen..." Am I the only one who sees something strange in this? - Naif 12:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Am I mis-counting, or does the page say "6 Sister-projects" and happily display 8 clickable logos? If there is a crux, it might be worth clarifying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fastifex ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The Dec. 2 lead article on acetic acid was so gripping and relevant to the times in which we live that I kept reading it over and over for the rest of the day. I never realized just how far-reaching and pervasive are the impacts of any acid, let alone mere acetic acid. This was truly an epiphany for me, intellectually. We need more of this sort of thing to counterbalance some of the base topics that have been seen on the homepage in the past.
Sca 19:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Erm, the article of the day seems to have been altered. Radically. Thought I'd bring this to someone's attention.