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The contents of the Windows Mail (Vista) page were merged into Mail (Windows) on 9 November 2017. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
This was a bad sentence in a couple of ways:
I can find no proof of this. IE10 shipped with Windows 8 RTM. Mail shipped with Windows 8. I believe this is the only link between them, and I can find no mention of 'mail' on the Internet Explorer 10 page or its talk page. Consequently, I'm removing that wording. Please reinstate if you can find supporting material. -- Mathieu ottawa ( talk) 04:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
I suggest renaming the page either to Windows Mail (Windows Store app) or Outlook Mail and Calendar (Windows Store app), whenever a mail is sent with this application it states "sent using Windows Mail" (which is another application I know), and Microsoft officially names it "Outlook Mail" in Windows 10 (though as has been explained to me before Microsoft often uses "incorrect names" for their own products, apparently). Though I understand that once installed the only name displayed is "Mail" the same goes for Groove which will simply be called "Music". -- Hoang the Hoangest ( talk) 00:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
User:Onecatowner, the product sequence goes like this: Microsoft Internet Mail and News, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, and Mail (Windows). You merged the third and fifth product articles together, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and is thus incredibly confusing to readers. Mdrnpndr ( talk) 18:32, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
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Sorry, the (crippled) merge was done as a "one person action against consent" (but just without enough strong veto) and in the way of crippling all of the former separate articles. There were several objections, and the result is inacceptable! The main problem of the crippled "merged article" are all the other languag WPs that all have separate articles. It is a totally usual way to look what is written in other languages; and here the result is that coming from another langauge from one of the versions, you cannot get back to the same version in a third language (what makes absoltely no sense). All the different versions have got a separate WP page number that is connected in the different WPs. This pseudo overview (as it is now) is a shame for the english WP (usually being more informative than most other wikis of other languages) as the english WP now has the worst article about each separate version: that is "none", and only an overview. It turns out to the necessity to a several step process to look at the "right stuff" (for the real-stuff article): go back to "no-redirect", open history, compare not the last versions, but those before, and then you have that article that you would expect when having entered the search string. This is absolutely unacceptable. "THE" solution would be to present a short overview and only show the main evolvement differences and go in detail on every separate article for the separate versions (as it was (more or less) before). -- ProloSozz ( talk) 02:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Btw: The page here is meant to be an overview article for several eMail clients from Microsoft designed for Windows, but it lacks the detailes information for each version. Merging runs into an Interwiki problem:
Quintessence: the separate merging action was a really bad idea! There is no problem if the separate articles are only stubs. -- ProloSozz ( talk) 10:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Codename Lisa, what "redundant or wrong info" are you talking about in your edit summary? I'm looking for specifics here... Mdrnpndr ( talk) 17:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
"The version of this software product referred to in the first infobox is most certainly not included with Vista"
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This article is talking about two completely different pieces of software and should be split per WP:CONSPLIT. One is Windows Mail (executable WinMail.exe) which is a renamed and updated version of Outlook Express, shipped with Windows Vista and was removed in Windows 7. The other is Mail and Calendar (UWP package microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps) which was first introduced in Windows 8 (then-named Mail, Calendar and People) and is unrelated to any previous mail clients from Microsoft. In Windows 10, People (UWP package Microsoft.People) was first introduced as a separate app. The best way to handle this IMHO is to rename Calendar (Windows) to Mail and Calendar and move any Mail-related content to it, and then rename this article to Windows Mail, leaving it strictly about the Vista app. Nowak Kowalski ( talk) 12:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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This was a bad sentence in a couple of ways:
I can find no proof of this. IE10 shipped with Windows 8 RTM. Mail shipped with Windows 8. I believe this is the only link between them, and I can find no mention of 'mail' on the Internet Explorer 10 page or its talk page. Consequently, I'm removing that wording. Please reinstate if you can find supporting material. -- Mathieu ottawa ( talk) 04:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
I suggest renaming the page either to Windows Mail (Windows Store app) or Outlook Mail and Calendar (Windows Store app), whenever a mail is sent with this application it states "sent using Windows Mail" (which is another application I know), and Microsoft officially names it "Outlook Mail" in Windows 10 (though as has been explained to me before Microsoft often uses "incorrect names" for their own products, apparently). Though I understand that once installed the only name displayed is "Mail" the same goes for Groove which will simply be called "Music". -- Hoang the Hoangest ( talk) 00:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
User:Onecatowner, the product sequence goes like this: Microsoft Internet Mail and News, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, and Mail (Windows). You merged the third and fifth product articles together, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and is thus incredibly confusing to readers. Mdrnpndr ( talk) 18:32, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
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Sorry, the (crippled) merge was done as a "one person action against consent" (but just without enough strong veto) and in the way of crippling all of the former separate articles. There were several objections, and the result is inacceptable! The main problem of the crippled "merged article" are all the other languag WPs that all have separate articles. It is a totally usual way to look what is written in other languages; and here the result is that coming from another langauge from one of the versions, you cannot get back to the same version in a third language (what makes absoltely no sense). All the different versions have got a separate WP page number that is connected in the different WPs. This pseudo overview (as it is now) is a shame for the english WP (usually being more informative than most other wikis of other languages) as the english WP now has the worst article about each separate version: that is "none", and only an overview. It turns out to the necessity to a several step process to look at the "right stuff" (for the real-stuff article): go back to "no-redirect", open history, compare not the last versions, but those before, and then you have that article that you would expect when having entered the search string. This is absolutely unacceptable. "THE" solution would be to present a short overview and only show the main evolvement differences and go in detail on every separate article for the separate versions (as it was (more or less) before). -- ProloSozz ( talk) 02:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Btw: The page here is meant to be an overview article for several eMail clients from Microsoft designed for Windows, but it lacks the detailes information for each version. Merging runs into an Interwiki problem:
Quintessence: the separate merging action was a really bad idea! There is no problem if the separate articles are only stubs. -- ProloSozz ( talk) 10:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Codename Lisa, what "redundant or wrong info" are you talking about in your edit summary? I'm looking for specifics here... Mdrnpndr ( talk) 17:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
"The version of this software product referred to in the first infobox is most certainly not included with Vista"
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This article is talking about two completely different pieces of software and should be split per WP:CONSPLIT. One is Windows Mail (executable WinMail.exe) which is a renamed and updated version of Outlook Express, shipped with Windows Vista and was removed in Windows 7. The other is Mail and Calendar (UWP package microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps) which was first introduced in Windows 8 (then-named Mail, Calendar and People) and is unrelated to any previous mail clients from Microsoft. In Windows 10, People (UWP package Microsoft.People) was first introduced as a separate app. The best way to handle this IMHO is to rename Calendar (Windows) to Mail and Calendar and move any Mail-related content to it, and then rename this article to Windows Mail, leaving it strictly about the Vista app. Nowak Kowalski ( talk) 12:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)