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Macron recently spoke on the protests, I think his thoughts deserve an entry in the reactions section.
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* <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Greece.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Greece|link=Greece]]</span> Greece: The foreign ministry issued a statement that "We fully align ourselves with the declaration by High Representative/Vice President Josep Borrell on the latest developments in Iran." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Israel.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Israel|link=Israel]]</span> Israel: Prime Minister [[Yair Lapid]] said in his speech to United Nations General Assembly on 22 September that "Young Iranians are suffering and struggling from the shackles of Iran's regime, and the world is silent. They cry for help on social media. They pay for their desire to live a life of freedom — with their lives. Iran's regime hates Jews, hates women, hates gay people, hates the West. They hate and kill Muslims who think differently, like Salman Rushdie and Mahsa Amini." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Turkey.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Turkey|link=Turkey]]</span> Turkey: Presidential Spokesperson [[İbrahim Kalın]] said he was saddened by Amini's death and that Iran needs to find a balanced way to respect people's free will and maintain public order. Demonstrations occurred in several Turkish cities, including a protest by a group of Iranians in front of the Iranian Consulate in Istanbul. | + |
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* <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Greece.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Greece|link=Greece]]</span> Greece: The foreign ministry issued a statement that "We fully align ourselves with the declaration by High Representative/Vice President Josep Borrell on the latest developments in Iran." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Israel.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Israel|link=Israel]]</span> Israel: Prime Minister [[Yair Lapid]] said in his speech to United Nations General Assembly on 22 September that "Young Iranians are suffering and struggling from the shackles of Iran's regime, and the world is silent. They cry for help on social media. They pay for their desire to live a life of freedom — with their lives. Iran's regime hates Jews, hates women, hates gay people, hates the West. They hate and kill Muslims who think differently, like Salman Rushdie and Mahsa Amini." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Turkey.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Turkey|link=Turkey]]</span> Turkey: Presidential Spokesperson [[İbrahim Kalın]] said he was saddened by Amini's death and that Iran needs to find a balanced way to respect people's free will and maintain public order. Demonstrations occurred in several Turkish cities, including a protest by a group of Iranians in front of the Iranian Consulate in Istanbul. * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of France.svg|23x15px|border |alt=France|link=France]]</span> France: President [[Emmanuel Macron]], in speaking to a delegation of Iranian activists, said the protestors had his "respect and our admiration in the context of the revolution they are leading", being the first world leader to refer to the protest as an actual revolution. In response, delegate and Iranian journalist [[Masih Alinejad]] called on France to meet with Iranian opposition leaders and officially recognize the protests as a revolution. |
Feel free to make any changes you feel appropriate or place this in a section you think it's more relevant to, I was initially thinking of putting it in the analysis section due to all the talk of revolution in there, but this one may be more appropriate.
Apologies for the ref tags getting listed as actual references on the page, I'm sure there's a way to stop that but TextDiff doesn't have any real documentation. 64.43.136.191 ( talk) 03:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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I have found some more sources for the analysis section which might be interesting to add. Here is one arguing that the regime lacks capacity for reform, and that the protests are the biggest challenge to the IR since its inception because it is not only one of the most radical protests, but also one of the longest lasting movements we have seen. Source
Here is an academic source arguing that protests between 2017 and 2019 created a template for escalated conflicts between society and state, the younger generation becoming more adversarial to the state, decentralized in its activism and disillusioned by promises of change. Source
Another academic article arguing that protesters have become more willing to endure and inflict violence. Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:88C0:43C4:FD05:3CDD:9CE6:2360 ( talk) 11:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
There
are tweet rumours here and
here of a military massacre using heavy weaponry against a crowd of 3400 people in
Mahabad as of around 00:00 UTC Sun 20 Nov (about 03:30
Iran Standard Time 20 Nov). Do we have any
WP:RS?
Boud (
talk) 03:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC) According to
these non-RS heavy and light gunfire had been going on for hours non-stop as of 3 hours earlier than that, i.e. as of 21:00 UTC Sat 19 Nov = 00:30
local time 20 Nov the massacre had already been going on for hours. We can't use these sources, but they should help to check the credibility of mainstream media sources once we get them. Mainstream sources needed...
Boud (
talk) 03:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC) I put a PDKI statement about martial law in Mahabad, attributed to PDKI, in the article. Their prediction, The lives of many people are in danger
unfortunately appears to have been fulfilled.
Boud (
talk)
03:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The infobox states these protests are part of the 2021–2022 Iranian protests but are they? Those protests appear to have been more centered on infrastructure issues than women's rights (although they both favored regime change). The articles on the 2017–2018 Iranian protests and the 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests imply they're separate despite only being separated by three months and this article has a full seven-month gab between the two. What do you guys think? Charles Essie ( talk) 23:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
I can't add it as per the lock on editing, but the Tudeh party released a statement condemning the murder of Masha Amini and supporting "all progressive movements" in Iran: https://cpusa.org/article/tudeh-party-of-iran-condemns-murder-of-mahsa-amini/ as well as here: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/iranian-communists-slam-ayatollah-khameneis-claim-protests-are-orchestrated
I think this should be added imo as there isn't too much on the reactions of political parties Genabab ( talk) 18:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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I was going to add about the controversy of the US soccer team twitter temporarily changed Iran's flag in support of womens rights, under the FIFA World Cup 2022 article. Coolcaden26 ( talk) 16:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
I suggested a new college of images relating to protests to be add to the article. It's a worldwide protests not just for Iran. 5.160.225.86 ( talk) 10:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
> The government's to the protests has been widely condemned.
This should presumably read "The government's response". Jonathan Sharman ( talk) 19:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I feel this article is currently describing the recently annouced changes as if they were already fact, rather than something that has just been announced. As far as I can tell, the only information available is that this minister announced that the Guidance Patrol has been abolished and that the Hijab law will be put under review.
We have to keep in mind that this is a regime known for being duplicitous, and even if we don't believe that, we still shouldn't describe things that have been announced for the future as if they've already taken place (the review of the hijab law) and things that are described as having started until we have actual reports of them having started in reality (abolishment of the Guidance Patrol). David12345 ( talk) 19:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to request that this page be rename to Iranian Revolution of 2022. There has been a growing body of literature that supports this current movement is an ongoing revolution. The protests and content of this page have moved beyond the scope of Mahsa Amini. As a professor in Middle Eastern studies, it seems that the title of this page is not aligned with the content that is found on this page, nor with the ongoing literature that is being produced surrounding this movement. Progressivepen ( talk) 17:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
It seems articles have been created about both of the executions that have been carried out as a consequence of the protests (using that word for the moment, pending the discussion above). Specifically I'm referring to Execution of Majidreza Rahnavard and Execution of Mohsen Shekari. This even though Death sentences during the Mahsa Amini protests already exists. Is it really useful to have articles describing the executions of individual participants in the protests? Shouldn't we rather be focusing our efforts on maintaining and improving the broader overview? More generally, I've been removing the names of individual protesters over on Timeline of the Mahsa Amini protests, as it is my understanding that individual participants generally aren't notable enough to merit mention, and my opinion that they serve to clutter the page and muddle the narrative of the article.
I would like to get some perspective on this. If someone could mention some of the relevant guidelines, that too would be great. David12345 ( talk) 19:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 September 2022 and 15 December 2022. Further details are available
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The requested move of 9 December 2022 is not yet closed. Please wait until that is closed to see if opening a new discussion on a title change is justified. Boud ( talk) 23:38, 17 December 2022 (UTC) |
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I think this is a good middle ground between calling it a revolution/uprising or just a protest. Starman2377 ( talk) 18:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Starman2377: Please add alternative names (such as Mahsa Amini Riots) to Talk:Mahsa Amini protests#Requested move 9 December 2022, giving reasons/evidence and stating clearly which options are supported or opposed by those reasons and with sourced evidence. There's no point opening a new title debate while the current one is still ongoing. Boud ( talk) 19:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC) |
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is to retain the description of these events as protests, per the terminology used in prevailing sources.( non-admin closure) Polyamorph ( talk) 08:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Mahsa Amini protests → ? – There are now many sources for describing the protests as stronger than just 'protests'. Both 2022 Iranian uprising and 2022 Iranian revolution, using lower case as descriptive titles, can reasonably be argued to be the WP:COMMONNAME. This RM formalises two informal ones made today/yesterday. Please clearly state which of the two (or other) names you Support or Oppose (e.g. one or both) and give your reasons based on WP:TITLE - Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Boud ( talk) 19:03, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
that what is currently happening is a revolution in action, as opposed to you (or I) interpreting older research papers together with evidence of the events? 1968 and 2017 were before this wave of protests started. Please see WP:OR about why your (or my or other Wikipedians') interpretations in a Wikipedia discussion don't count as peer-reviewed research. Boud ( talk) 02:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
... the [current] protest movement ... which suggest that the current inchoate revolution ... the Iranian protests ... its unprecedented demographic breadth, philosophical commitment and sheer persistence ... Even if the current uprising ...– "inchoate revolution" is somewhat ambiguous, since it could mean either "chaotic" or "only just starting" rather than "definitely" a "revolution", but "uprising" is clearly stated as a key summary word;Amir Kabir The Lancet:
Feminist revolution in Iranis in the title – it's "correspondence" rather than a "research" paper, but the editors of a prestigious research journal accepted it;Mustapha Harzoune in Hommes & Migrations (CAIRN) writes (in the open-access part) a rather qualitative opinion of a "breaking point" loosely linking the Iranian uprising, the 2022 full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine and the climate emergency, but we can't really choose on how to interpret that – critical phenomena do exist in quantified, physical dynamical systems, but it doesn't look like Harzoune attempts a quantitative analysis; Defence Journal (Karachi) is not yet known in Wikipedia and ProQuest is now owned by Clarivate, which is owned by the banks/financial firms Onex Corporation and BPEA EQT, making it a bit dubious in terms of academic independence and is clearly privacy violating, so people protecting their privacy rights will tend to not accept to read the article.Overall, Rouhi characterises the events as protests or inchoate revolution or an uprising and Kabir uses "feminist revolution" in the title, so this would tend to support either uprising or revolution. Boud ( talk) 23:07, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
... actual political change: direct control of bureaucratic and institutional power has not shifted (as far as I know), but taboos of behaviour have been dramatically changed: women with uncovered hair, people scolding clerics in public places, clerics' turbans being pushed off their heads, and senior administrative officials being vigorously argued against in university auditoriums - these are actual political changes, widely documented as a shift in political power. Politics is about how people organise together and decide who does what and the who/how/when/where of ordering or persuading others to do things; it's not about formal institutions alone. Boud ( talk) 01:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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This change was onto something, but it should probably be: Islamic Republic of Iran. The current situation implies the protests are aiming to dismantle the country, rather than its current government. David12345 ( talk) 22:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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The hyperlink for 'Mahsa Amini' she be changed to Mahsa Amini. Frank VII ( talk) 19:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
The "protests" section goes into detail about economic grievances driving the protests, but it might be good to add a sentence or two on youth. E.g. this source on how Gen Z is driving protests [1], or this academic source on how generations have radicalized with regard to protests [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.248.183.8 ( talk) 11:17, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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What are some names that we could change the article to? i think that this subject has gone far beyond a protest. Starman2377 ( talk) 17:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Ive changed my mind, thanks. Starman2377 ( talk) 18:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 20:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Mahsa Amini protests → 2022 Iranian anti-hijab protests – The current title has become increasingly redundant as the protests have gone on, and is not descriptive. The wave of demonstrations has became about something much bigger than any individual, with the key issues being opposition to mandatory hijab laws and the abuses by the guidance patrols and the state at large in enforcing them. The more descriptive name that has emerged for this is "anti-hijab protests". We see this in news, where the term "anti-hijab protests" dominates compared to references to "Mahsa Amini protests". "Anti-hijab protests" is also already the terminology in the emergent academic literature on the subject [3] [4]. The current title is neither the common name, nor descriptive. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Oppose because such a title is not representative of the Iranian protestors in general. Reducing the ongoing protests as an "anti- Hijab" movement is limited to certain Western media depictions and is a xenophobic narrative espoused by fringe elements. The protests are an indigineously driven movement and many Hijab wearing women have been active in these protests. Shadowwarrior8 ( talk) 11:08, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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add this file to Reactions topic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mahsa_Amini_i%C3%A7in_iki_eylemci,_%C4%B0stanbul.jpg ---- modern_primat ඞඞඞ TALK 15:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
no too much diffrence... but still better. ---- modern_primat ඞඞඞ TALK 20:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Over the past month or so, a group of eight opposition diaspora figures (Reza Pahlavi, Masih Alinejad, Shirin Ebadi, Hamed Esmaeilion, Nazanin Boniadi, Abdulla Mohtadi, Golshifteh Farahani, and Ali Karimi) has taken shape and has begun to perform tasks such as attempt to negotiate with governments on the movement's behalf and make calls for protests. Additionally, these eight will be having a virtual event Friday (2/10/23) to discuss the publication of a manifesto of what a post-Islamic-Republic Iran could look like, creating a roadmap to successfully removing the Islamic Republic from power, coordinating protests and general strikes, as well as funding the latter, and gathering diplomatic support for the movement. Although it is too early to change the wording of the Wikipedia article now, I highly suggest those with higher editing clearance on this than me watch this event, because if this meeting amounts to these steps, the time could be approaching to change the "no centralized leadership" description of leadership on the protesters' side. 76.74.35.243 ( talk) 04:04, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Recently the opposition has become more centralized under 8 figures. I suggest you add them 71.218.122.218 ( talk) 21:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
The movement has received support from the Iranian diaspora and the global community through protests that have taken place from North America to Europe and many more. For instance, there are weekly demonstrations at the Vancouver Art Gallery in Canada. As reported, "lining nearly two kilometers of streets from the Art Gallery to Stanley Park." [1]
Rozycan ( talk) 18:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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There is a a discussion here that might affect this page. I encourage you to participate. Charles Essie ( talk) 23:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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TYPO: In the section "Historical Background", change "an series" to "a series" for grammatical correctness. This error is contained in the following sentence: "Bloody Aban (Persian: آبان خونین), a month near November in the Iranian calendar, was an series of 2019 protests". IrvingWashington88 ( talk) 06:41, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
In the Suspected mass poisoning section of this article, please link to the Iranian schoolgirls mass poisoning reports article. Thanks. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 12:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Please contribute to this new, related article. These are the section headers so far; you can help decide what belongs where. There is some overlap with this article I think, and with Woman, Life, Freedom
Mousavi's Call for A Referendum
2023 "Future of the Movement" Summit and Joint Charter
Trade Unions Joint Charter
2023 U.S. House Resolution 100
2022 Free Iran World Summit
2021 Free Iran World Summit
2020 Free Iran World Summit
U.S. House Resolution 374
Organized Resistance Groups
National Council of Iran National Council of Resistance of Iran Organization of Iranian American Communities Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan Protests 2016 - Present Historic Antecedents Criticism
Regards, Jaredscribe ( talk) 04:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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Can you please add the following text to the end of the "executions" subsection of the "Causalities" section:
On 19 May 2023, three more men, Majid Kazemi, Saleh Mirhashemi, and Saeed Yaqoubi, were executed in connection with the protests. [1]
Thanks. Madeline at Freedom Now ( talk) 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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NY Times and many other WP sacrosanct sources published false reports. Now we see that the ayatollahs are clapping back with a vengeance 2601:C4:C300:3460:7479:E70F:F23:EE3 ( talk) 20:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The mass protests seemed to have fizzled out. Would it be fair to put an end date on it for around Early January 2023? 2600:1700:D87A:1A60:4592:695B:B851:9A2A ( talk) 20:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Under the "Protest movements under the Islamic Republic" section, in the last sentence, replace "Mahsa Amino" with "Mahsa Amini". Pandaninjas3017 ( talk) 01:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Change "females" to "women and girls" on this page. The sentence should read:
"Women and girls, including schoolchildren..."
Source: https://www.media-diversity.org/how-to-be-inclusive-and-grammatically-correct-a-guide-for-journalists-on-the-gender-beat/ Oodalolly ( talk) 18:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Macron recently spoke on the protests, I think his thoughts deserve an entry in the reactions section.
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* <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Greece.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Greece|link=Greece]]</span> Greece: The foreign ministry issued a statement that "We fully align ourselves with the declaration by High Representative/Vice President Josep Borrell on the latest developments in Iran." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Israel.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Israel|link=Israel]]</span> Israel: Prime Minister [[Yair Lapid]] said in his speech to United Nations General Assembly on 22 September that "Young Iranians are suffering and struggling from the shackles of Iran's regime, and the world is silent. They cry for help on social media. They pay for their desire to live a life of freedom — with their lives. Iran's regime hates Jews, hates women, hates gay people, hates the West. They hate and kill Muslims who think differently, like Salman Rushdie and Mahsa Amini." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Turkey.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Turkey|link=Turkey]]</span> Turkey: Presidential Spokesperson [[İbrahim Kalın]] said he was saddened by Amini's death and that Iran needs to find a balanced way to respect people's free will and maintain public order. Demonstrations occurred in several Turkish cities, including a protest by a group of Iranians in front of the Iranian Consulate in Istanbul. | + |
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* <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Greece.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Greece|link=Greece]]</span> Greece: The foreign ministry issued a statement that "We fully align ourselves with the declaration by High Representative/Vice President Josep Borrell on the latest developments in Iran." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Israel.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Israel|link=Israel]]</span> Israel: Prime Minister [[Yair Lapid]] said in his speech to United Nations General Assembly on 22 September that "Young Iranians are suffering and struggling from the shackles of Iran's regime, and the world is silent. They cry for help on social media. They pay for their desire to live a life of freedom — with their lives. Iran's regime hates Jews, hates women, hates gay people, hates the West. They hate and kill Muslims who think differently, like Salman Rushdie and Mahsa Amini." * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of Turkey.svg|23x15px|border |alt=Turkey|link=Turkey]]</span> Turkey: Presidential Spokesperson [[İbrahim Kalın]] said he was saddened by Amini's death and that Iran needs to find a balanced way to respect people's free will and maintain public order. Demonstrations occurred in several Turkish cities, including a protest by a group of Iranians in front of the Iranian Consulate in Istanbul. * <span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of France.svg|23x15px|border |alt=France|link=France]]</span> France: President [[Emmanuel Macron]], in speaking to a delegation of Iranian activists, said the protestors had his "respect and our admiration in the context of the revolution they are leading", being the first world leader to refer to the protest as an actual revolution. In response, delegate and Iranian journalist [[Masih Alinejad]] called on France to meet with Iranian opposition leaders and officially recognize the protests as a revolution. |
Feel free to make any changes you feel appropriate or place this in a section you think it's more relevant to, I was initially thinking of putting it in the analysis section due to all the talk of revolution in there, but this one may be more appropriate.
Apologies for the ref tags getting listed as actual references on the page, I'm sure there's a way to stop that but TextDiff doesn't have any real documentation. 64.43.136.191 ( talk) 03:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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I have found some more sources for the analysis section which might be interesting to add. Here is one arguing that the regime lacks capacity for reform, and that the protests are the biggest challenge to the IR since its inception because it is not only one of the most radical protests, but also one of the longest lasting movements we have seen. Source
Here is an academic source arguing that protests between 2017 and 2019 created a template for escalated conflicts between society and state, the younger generation becoming more adversarial to the state, decentralized in its activism and disillusioned by promises of change. Source
Another academic article arguing that protesters have become more willing to endure and inflict violence. Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:88C0:43C4:FD05:3CDD:9CE6:2360 ( talk) 11:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
There
are tweet rumours here and
here of a military massacre using heavy weaponry against a crowd of 3400 people in
Mahabad as of around 00:00 UTC Sun 20 Nov (about 03:30
Iran Standard Time 20 Nov). Do we have any
WP:RS?
Boud (
talk) 03:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC) According to
these non-RS heavy and light gunfire had been going on for hours non-stop as of 3 hours earlier than that, i.e. as of 21:00 UTC Sat 19 Nov = 00:30
local time 20 Nov the massacre had already been going on for hours. We can't use these sources, but they should help to check the credibility of mainstream media sources once we get them. Mainstream sources needed...
Boud (
talk) 03:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC) I put a PDKI statement about martial law in Mahabad, attributed to PDKI, in the article. Their prediction, The lives of many people are in danger
unfortunately appears to have been fulfilled.
Boud (
talk)
03:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The infobox states these protests are part of the 2021–2022 Iranian protests but are they? Those protests appear to have been more centered on infrastructure issues than women's rights (although they both favored regime change). The articles on the 2017–2018 Iranian protests and the 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests imply they're separate despite only being separated by three months and this article has a full seven-month gab between the two. What do you guys think? Charles Essie ( talk) 23:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
I can't add it as per the lock on editing, but the Tudeh party released a statement condemning the murder of Masha Amini and supporting "all progressive movements" in Iran: https://cpusa.org/article/tudeh-party-of-iran-condemns-murder-of-mahsa-amini/ as well as here: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/iranian-communists-slam-ayatollah-khameneis-claim-protests-are-orchestrated
I think this should be added imo as there isn't too much on the reactions of political parties Genabab ( talk) 18:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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I was going to add about the controversy of the US soccer team twitter temporarily changed Iran's flag in support of womens rights, under the FIFA World Cup 2022 article. Coolcaden26 ( talk) 16:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
I suggested a new college of images relating to protests to be add to the article. It's a worldwide protests not just for Iran. 5.160.225.86 ( talk) 10:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
> The government's to the protests has been widely condemned.
This should presumably read "The government's response". Jonathan Sharman ( talk) 19:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I feel this article is currently describing the recently annouced changes as if they were already fact, rather than something that has just been announced. As far as I can tell, the only information available is that this minister announced that the Guidance Patrol has been abolished and that the Hijab law will be put under review.
We have to keep in mind that this is a regime known for being duplicitous, and even if we don't believe that, we still shouldn't describe things that have been announced for the future as if they've already taken place (the review of the hijab law) and things that are described as having started until we have actual reports of them having started in reality (abolishment of the Guidance Patrol). David12345 ( talk) 19:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to request that this page be rename to Iranian Revolution of 2022. There has been a growing body of literature that supports this current movement is an ongoing revolution. The protests and content of this page have moved beyond the scope of Mahsa Amini. As a professor in Middle Eastern studies, it seems that the title of this page is not aligned with the content that is found on this page, nor with the ongoing literature that is being produced surrounding this movement. Progressivepen ( talk) 17:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
It seems articles have been created about both of the executions that have been carried out as a consequence of the protests (using that word for the moment, pending the discussion above). Specifically I'm referring to Execution of Majidreza Rahnavard and Execution of Mohsen Shekari. This even though Death sentences during the Mahsa Amini protests already exists. Is it really useful to have articles describing the executions of individual participants in the protests? Shouldn't we rather be focusing our efforts on maintaining and improving the broader overview? More generally, I've been removing the names of individual protesters over on Timeline of the Mahsa Amini protests, as it is my understanding that individual participants generally aren't notable enough to merit mention, and my opinion that they serve to clutter the page and muddle the narrative of the article.
I would like to get some perspective on this. If someone could mention some of the relevant guidelines, that too would be great. David12345 ( talk) 19:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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The requested move of 9 December 2022 is not yet closed. Please wait until that is closed to see if opening a new discussion on a title change is justified. Boud ( talk) 23:38, 17 December 2022 (UTC) |
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I think this is a good middle ground between calling it a revolution/uprising or just a protest. Starman2377 ( talk) 18:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Starman2377: Please add alternative names (such as Mahsa Amini Riots) to Talk:Mahsa Amini protests#Requested move 9 December 2022, giving reasons/evidence and stating clearly which options are supported or opposed by those reasons and with sourced evidence. There's no point opening a new title debate while the current one is still ongoing. Boud ( talk) 19:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC) |
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is to retain the description of these events as protests, per the terminology used in prevailing sources.( non-admin closure) Polyamorph ( talk) 08:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Mahsa Amini protests → ? – There are now many sources for describing the protests as stronger than just 'protests'. Both 2022 Iranian uprising and 2022 Iranian revolution, using lower case as descriptive titles, can reasonably be argued to be the WP:COMMONNAME. This RM formalises two informal ones made today/yesterday. Please clearly state which of the two (or other) names you Support or Oppose (e.g. one or both) and give your reasons based on WP:TITLE - Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Boud ( talk) 19:03, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
that what is currently happening is a revolution in action, as opposed to you (or I) interpreting older research papers together with evidence of the events? 1968 and 2017 were before this wave of protests started. Please see WP:OR about why your (or my or other Wikipedians') interpretations in a Wikipedia discussion don't count as peer-reviewed research. Boud ( talk) 02:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
... the [current] protest movement ... which suggest that the current inchoate revolution ... the Iranian protests ... its unprecedented demographic breadth, philosophical commitment and sheer persistence ... Even if the current uprising ...– "inchoate revolution" is somewhat ambiguous, since it could mean either "chaotic" or "only just starting" rather than "definitely" a "revolution", but "uprising" is clearly stated as a key summary word;Amir Kabir The Lancet:
Feminist revolution in Iranis in the title – it's "correspondence" rather than a "research" paper, but the editors of a prestigious research journal accepted it;Mustapha Harzoune in Hommes & Migrations (CAIRN) writes (in the open-access part) a rather qualitative opinion of a "breaking point" loosely linking the Iranian uprising, the 2022 full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine and the climate emergency, but we can't really choose on how to interpret that – critical phenomena do exist in quantified, physical dynamical systems, but it doesn't look like Harzoune attempts a quantitative analysis; Defence Journal (Karachi) is not yet known in Wikipedia and ProQuest is now owned by Clarivate, which is owned by the banks/financial firms Onex Corporation and BPEA EQT, making it a bit dubious in terms of academic independence and is clearly privacy violating, so people protecting their privacy rights will tend to not accept to read the article.Overall, Rouhi characterises the events as protests or inchoate revolution or an uprising and Kabir uses "feminist revolution" in the title, so this would tend to support either uprising or revolution. Boud ( talk) 23:07, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
... actual political change: direct control of bureaucratic and institutional power has not shifted (as far as I know), but taboos of behaviour have been dramatically changed: women with uncovered hair, people scolding clerics in public places, clerics' turbans being pushed off their heads, and senior administrative officials being vigorously argued against in university auditoriums - these are actual political changes, widely documented as a shift in political power. Politics is about how people organise together and decide who does what and the who/how/when/where of ordering or persuading others to do things; it's not about formal institutions alone. Boud ( talk) 01:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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This change was onto something, but it should probably be: Islamic Republic of Iran. The current situation implies the protests are aiming to dismantle the country, rather than its current government. David12345 ( talk) 22:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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The hyperlink for 'Mahsa Amini' she be changed to Mahsa Amini. Frank VII ( talk) 19:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
The "protests" section goes into detail about economic grievances driving the protests, but it might be good to add a sentence or two on youth. E.g. this source on how Gen Z is driving protests [1], or this academic source on how generations have radicalized with regard to protests [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.248.183.8 ( talk) 11:17, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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What are some names that we could change the article to? i think that this subject has gone far beyond a protest. Starman2377 ( talk) 17:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Ive changed my mind, thanks. Starman2377 ( talk) 18:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 20:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Mahsa Amini protests → 2022 Iranian anti-hijab protests – The current title has become increasingly redundant as the protests have gone on, and is not descriptive. The wave of demonstrations has became about something much bigger than any individual, with the key issues being opposition to mandatory hijab laws and the abuses by the guidance patrols and the state at large in enforcing them. The more descriptive name that has emerged for this is "anti-hijab protests". We see this in news, where the term "anti-hijab protests" dominates compared to references to "Mahsa Amini protests". "Anti-hijab protests" is also already the terminology in the emergent academic literature on the subject [3] [4]. The current title is neither the common name, nor descriptive. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Oppose because such a title is not representative of the Iranian protestors in general. Reducing the ongoing protests as an "anti- Hijab" movement is limited to certain Western media depictions and is a xenophobic narrative espoused by fringe elements. The protests are an indigineously driven movement and many Hijab wearing women have been active in these protests. Shadowwarrior8 ( talk) 11:08, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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add this file to Reactions topic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mahsa_Amini_i%C3%A7in_iki_eylemci,_%C4%B0stanbul.jpg ---- modern_primat ඞඞඞ TALK 15:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
no too much diffrence... but still better. ---- modern_primat ඞඞඞ TALK 20:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Over the past month or so, a group of eight opposition diaspora figures (Reza Pahlavi, Masih Alinejad, Shirin Ebadi, Hamed Esmaeilion, Nazanin Boniadi, Abdulla Mohtadi, Golshifteh Farahani, and Ali Karimi) has taken shape and has begun to perform tasks such as attempt to negotiate with governments on the movement's behalf and make calls for protests. Additionally, these eight will be having a virtual event Friday (2/10/23) to discuss the publication of a manifesto of what a post-Islamic-Republic Iran could look like, creating a roadmap to successfully removing the Islamic Republic from power, coordinating protests and general strikes, as well as funding the latter, and gathering diplomatic support for the movement. Although it is too early to change the wording of the Wikipedia article now, I highly suggest those with higher editing clearance on this than me watch this event, because if this meeting amounts to these steps, the time could be approaching to change the "no centralized leadership" description of leadership on the protesters' side. 76.74.35.243 ( talk) 04:04, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Recently the opposition has become more centralized under 8 figures. I suggest you add them 71.218.122.218 ( talk) 21:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
The movement has received support from the Iranian diaspora and the global community through protests that have taken place from North America to Europe and many more. For instance, there are weekly demonstrations at the Vancouver Art Gallery in Canada. As reported, "lining nearly two kilometers of streets from the Art Gallery to Stanley Park." [1]
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There is a a discussion here that might affect this page. I encourage you to participate. Charles Essie ( talk) 23:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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TYPO: In the section "Historical Background", change "an series" to "a series" for grammatical correctness. This error is contained in the following sentence: "Bloody Aban (Persian: آبان خونین), a month near November in the Iranian calendar, was an series of 2019 protests". IrvingWashington88 ( talk) 06:41, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
In the Suspected mass poisoning section of this article, please link to the Iranian schoolgirls mass poisoning reports article. Thanks. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 12:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Please contribute to this new, related article. These are the section headers so far; you can help decide what belongs where. There is some overlap with this article I think, and with Woman, Life, Freedom
Mousavi's Call for A Referendum
2023 "Future of the Movement" Summit and Joint Charter
Trade Unions Joint Charter
2023 U.S. House Resolution 100
2022 Free Iran World Summit
2021 Free Iran World Summit
2020 Free Iran World Summit
U.S. House Resolution 374
Organized Resistance Groups
National Council of Iran National Council of Resistance of Iran Organization of Iranian American Communities Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan Protests 2016 - Present Historic Antecedents Criticism
Regards, Jaredscribe ( talk) 04:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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Can you please add the following text to the end of the "executions" subsection of the "Causalities" section:
On 19 May 2023, three more men, Majid Kazemi, Saleh Mirhashemi, and Saeed Yaqoubi, were executed in connection with the protests. [1]
Thanks. Madeline at Freedom Now ( talk) 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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NY Times and many other WP sacrosanct sources published false reports. Now we see that the ayatollahs are clapping back with a vengeance 2601:C4:C300:3460:7479:E70F:F23:EE3 ( talk) 20:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The mass protests seemed to have fizzled out. Would it be fair to put an end date on it for around Early January 2023? 2600:1700:D87A:1A60:4592:695B:B851:9A2A ( talk) 20:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Under the "Protest movements under the Islamic Republic" section, in the last sentence, replace "Mahsa Amino" with "Mahsa Amini". Pandaninjas3017 ( talk) 01:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Change "females" to "women and girls" on this page. The sentence should read:
"Women and girls, including schoolchildren..."
Source: https://www.media-diversity.org/how-to-be-inclusive-and-grammatically-correct-a-guide-for-journalists-on-the-gender-beat/ Oodalolly ( talk) 18:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)