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Rettetast has removed links for years, I've restored them. I suppose this isn't a very big issue, but I can't see the reasoning behind removing them. Having years linked is the common thing. Rettetast apparently thinks they're disturbing, I can't really see that that's the case. Rettetast seems to think he has support for his actions in Wikipedia guidelines, I can't really see that that's the case either. The guidelines say "Stand alone years do not need to be linked but some users prefer it". Well, the users who have established this article, and practically all the other articles about medieval kings, preferred it. Maybe a reader wants to know which other people were born in 1073, for example. If you don't prefer it, just overlook the blue text. How annoying can the blue color be, anyway?-- Barend ( talk) 12:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted recent changes to help bring article into line with the published historical assessments. Sorry if this has caused any offence - not intended. Lopthaena ( talk) 11:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I have tried to make changes in line with published scholarship, and hope I have avoided offence. However, names in modern Norwegian need Norse equivalents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lopthaena ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems that the conflict is about the place of death (not burial) and is ultimately about the published sholarship versus local designations. I wonder if the solution would be a separate section on the modern interest and re-enactments? this would undoubtedly increase the value of the article. I am not aware of a source (annals) for a battle on the north coast, hence deletion, but am willing to be proved wrong. Reluctant to work on other articles, as this one has inadvertantly caused offence. Lopthaena ( talk) 16:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Here is a map of the Ulaid lands in 1014: http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/00/4/1/9/6979264430505390.gif
They were like this when Magnus landed, his death in Portrush is well known and often repeated. It is known, from an archaeological dig, that a battle was fought in the Portrush site between invaders and local warbands at this time, much was found from the era.
The Magnus Barefoot saga indicate he was in the north, his ally (the King of Munster) had returned to Connaught: "King Magnus was in winter (A.D. 1102) up in Connaught with King Myrkjartan, but set men to defend the country he had taken. Towards spring both kings went westward with their army all the way to Ulster, where they had many battles, subdued the country, and had conquered the greatest part of Ulster when Myrkjartan returned home to Connaught."
Magnus now sent for supplies from his ally (in Connaught): "He lay at Ulster ready for sea with his whole fleet. As they thought they needed cattle for ship-provision, King Magnus sent a message to King Myrkjartan, telling him to send some cattle for slaughter;"
So your contention of "Downpatrick" being the "scholarly consensus" is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.229.119 ( talk) 17:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Also, someone has removed the mention of Magnus's conquests in Ireland and left the article with simply the information that "In 1103 they apparently made a joint assault in the north, in the Armagh area, where Muirchertach's forces were routed. Magnus, probably then in the vicinity of the Quoile estuary near Downpatrick, decided to return to Norway."
This is wrong, the saga says: "King Magnus sailed to Ireland with his fleet, and plundered there. King Myrkjartan came to his assistance, and they conquered a great part of the country, both Dublin and Dyflinnarskire (Dublin shire)."
If you want to help as you say, then do not delete information or revert additions without some form of discussion. Your assertion that the sources back your contention up are not valid. They simply state as I have quoted above. This does not show that Downpatrick is any more likely than Portrush. Take into consideration the numerous artifacts found from the era in the Portrush site, and the common knowledge of a great battle being fought there between invaders and Irish warbands. 87.114.229.119 ( talk) 17:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Lopthaena is no longer involved. Lopthaena ( talk) 19:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 19:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Magnus III of Norway → Magnus Barefoot – Suggest to move the title of this article to Magnus Barefoot (alternatively Magnus Barelegs, but it is somewhat unclear which is more common, Google Books: "Magnus Barefoot": 1,580, "Magnus Barelegs": 1,990, Magnus Barefoot: 11,400 and Magnus Barelegs: 4,900) which is a widespread, and by far the most common (per WP:COGNOMEN 2.), name used when referring to this king. Thhist ( talk) 10:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The lead states "he additionally became King of Mann and the Isles from 1098". I'd be interested to hear if anyone can provide a source for this specific statement. There is little doubt he became a ruler of the Kingdom of the Isles, but the titles of these rulers were very varied as you can see from the list. R. A. McDonald in Manx Kingship in its Irish Sea setting states of Ragnvald Godredsson: "Some of his successors were grandly styled Rex Manniae et Insularum, 'King of Man and the Isles' ", implying the title had not been used prior to that time, i.e. the early 13th century. Ben Mac Dui 13:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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In the sentence "In the north, his claim was contested by his cousin Haakon Magnusson,.." readers unfamiliar with Norse dynastic relationships might be confused why a mere nephew of an earlier king (Olav Kyrre) had the political weight to contest Magnus III's bid for the throne.
Adding, parenthetically, with link: ""In the north, his claim was contested by his cousin Haakon Magnusson (son of King Magnus II),.." might clear that detail up for som readers, without being overly pedantic. Arildnordby ( talk) 13:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
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This source; Duffy, Sean, red. (1997): Ireland in the Middel Ages. Dublin: Gill and Macmillan, seem to be missing from the list. -- Finn Bjørklid ( talk) 11:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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Forsund's writing is a joke. Muirchertach was betraying Magnus, Some of the Norse were betraying him, directed by powerful figures in Norway. She should have stuck to theatre. Ethnocentricism and hero worship isn't good posing as history.
Hi, on top of the article it says "This article is about the second Norwegian king named Magnus Olafsson. For the earlier Norwegian king, see Magnus the Good". However, as the article says, Magnus B is Magnus III, i.e. "second" should be "third", and the reference to a single 'earlier' king is kinda erroneus. Or, perhaps MII doesn't have his own article, as he is not very notable. However this is to be solved, the tiles don't match up. T 84.208.65.62 ( talk) 02:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Rettetast has removed links for years, I've restored them. I suppose this isn't a very big issue, but I can't see the reasoning behind removing them. Having years linked is the common thing. Rettetast apparently thinks they're disturbing, I can't really see that that's the case. Rettetast seems to think he has support for his actions in Wikipedia guidelines, I can't really see that that's the case either. The guidelines say "Stand alone years do not need to be linked but some users prefer it". Well, the users who have established this article, and practically all the other articles about medieval kings, preferred it. Maybe a reader wants to know which other people were born in 1073, for example. If you don't prefer it, just overlook the blue text. How annoying can the blue color be, anyway?-- Barend ( talk) 12:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted recent changes to help bring article into line with the published historical assessments. Sorry if this has caused any offence - not intended. Lopthaena ( talk) 11:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I have tried to make changes in line with published scholarship, and hope I have avoided offence. However, names in modern Norwegian need Norse equivalents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lopthaena ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems that the conflict is about the place of death (not burial) and is ultimately about the published sholarship versus local designations. I wonder if the solution would be a separate section on the modern interest and re-enactments? this would undoubtedly increase the value of the article. I am not aware of a source (annals) for a battle on the north coast, hence deletion, but am willing to be proved wrong. Reluctant to work on other articles, as this one has inadvertantly caused offence. Lopthaena ( talk) 16:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Here is a map of the Ulaid lands in 1014: http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/00/4/1/9/6979264430505390.gif
They were like this when Magnus landed, his death in Portrush is well known and often repeated. It is known, from an archaeological dig, that a battle was fought in the Portrush site between invaders and local warbands at this time, much was found from the era.
The Magnus Barefoot saga indicate he was in the north, his ally (the King of Munster) had returned to Connaught: "King Magnus was in winter (A.D. 1102) up in Connaught with King Myrkjartan, but set men to defend the country he had taken. Towards spring both kings went westward with their army all the way to Ulster, where they had many battles, subdued the country, and had conquered the greatest part of Ulster when Myrkjartan returned home to Connaught."
Magnus now sent for supplies from his ally (in Connaught): "He lay at Ulster ready for sea with his whole fleet. As they thought they needed cattle for ship-provision, King Magnus sent a message to King Myrkjartan, telling him to send some cattle for slaughter;"
So your contention of "Downpatrick" being the "scholarly consensus" is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.229.119 ( talk) 17:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Also, someone has removed the mention of Magnus's conquests in Ireland and left the article with simply the information that "In 1103 they apparently made a joint assault in the north, in the Armagh area, where Muirchertach's forces were routed. Magnus, probably then in the vicinity of the Quoile estuary near Downpatrick, decided to return to Norway."
This is wrong, the saga says: "King Magnus sailed to Ireland with his fleet, and plundered there. King Myrkjartan came to his assistance, and they conquered a great part of the country, both Dublin and Dyflinnarskire (Dublin shire)."
If you want to help as you say, then do not delete information or revert additions without some form of discussion. Your assertion that the sources back your contention up are not valid. They simply state as I have quoted above. This does not show that Downpatrick is any more likely than Portrush. Take into consideration the numerous artifacts found from the era in the Portrush site, and the common knowledge of a great battle being fought there between invaders and Irish warbands. 87.114.229.119 ( talk) 17:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Lopthaena is no longer involved. Lopthaena ( talk) 19:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 19:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Magnus III of Norway → Magnus Barefoot – Suggest to move the title of this article to Magnus Barefoot (alternatively Magnus Barelegs, but it is somewhat unclear which is more common, Google Books: "Magnus Barefoot": 1,580, "Magnus Barelegs": 1,990, Magnus Barefoot: 11,400 and Magnus Barelegs: 4,900) which is a widespread, and by far the most common (per WP:COGNOMEN 2.), name used when referring to this king. Thhist ( talk) 10:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The lead states "he additionally became King of Mann and the Isles from 1098". I'd be interested to hear if anyone can provide a source for this specific statement. There is little doubt he became a ruler of the Kingdom of the Isles, but the titles of these rulers were very varied as you can see from the list. R. A. McDonald in Manx Kingship in its Irish Sea setting states of Ragnvald Godredsson: "Some of his successors were grandly styled Rex Manniae et Insularum, 'King of Man and the Isles' ", implying the title had not been used prior to that time, i.e. the early 13th century. Ben Mac Dui 13:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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In the sentence "In the north, his claim was contested by his cousin Haakon Magnusson,.." readers unfamiliar with Norse dynastic relationships might be confused why a mere nephew of an earlier king (Olav Kyrre) had the political weight to contest Magnus III's bid for the throne.
Adding, parenthetically, with link: ""In the north, his claim was contested by his cousin Haakon Magnusson (son of King Magnus II),.." might clear that detail up for som readers, without being overly pedantic. Arildnordby ( talk) 13:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
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Forsund's writing is a joke. Muirchertach was betraying Magnus, Some of the Norse were betraying him, directed by powerful figures in Norway. She should have stuck to theatre. Ethnocentricism and hero worship isn't good posing as history.
Hi, on top of the article it says "This article is about the second Norwegian king named Magnus Olafsson. For the earlier Norwegian king, see Magnus the Good". However, as the article says, Magnus B is Magnus III, i.e. "second" should be "third", and the reference to a single 'earlier' king is kinda erroneus. Or, perhaps MII doesn't have his own article, as he is not very notable. However this is to be solved, the tiles don't match up. T 84.208.65.62 ( talk) 02:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)