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While it does not have a long history in the written record, "Maen Achwyfan Cross" is the name favoured by Cadw and some websites. This is part of a long established nomenclature within archeology; to refer to artifacts and notable sites by a more easily identifiable name regardless of the preexisting common name (eg. the Druidstone Standing Stone or Caerleon Legionary Fortress are not commonly referred to by these names).
In researching the name of the Maen Achwyfan it is noticeable that for much of its history, the debate over its name was between "Maen Achwyfan" and "Maen Chwyfan" indeed it seems that the cross usually appears under one of these names in writing from 1388 until today. It seems to be that the real identifier in the name is "Maen" ("Stone") and the addition of Cross or Croes is unnecessary and even misleading given the debate to the Christian or pagan origins of the artwork.
Rev. Owen's writing on the subject of the name references the 1388 name, Gibson's edition of Britannia, Pennant's work and even goes as far as demanding that member of the local population repeat the name to him in person, so that he may hear any difference. In discussing all the varieties of names, Owen never once refers to the Cross as "Maen Achwyfan Cross", though he uses the term Cross to describe it many times. In discussing the age of the Cross, Owen staes that the artifact retains "the Celtic appellation Maen" which distinguishes it from "those stone crosses which are distinguished by the use of the adopted word Croes".
I think under Wikipedia's "common name" policies it would make more sense to rename this article "Maen Achwyfan", however if I am missing something, or there are any users who would wish to discuss this further please let me know.
Cymrogogoch ( talk) 12:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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While it does not have a long history in the written record, "Maen Achwyfan Cross" is the name favoured by Cadw and some websites. This is part of a long established nomenclature within archeology; to refer to artifacts and notable sites by a more easily identifiable name regardless of the preexisting common name (eg. the Druidstone Standing Stone or Caerleon Legionary Fortress are not commonly referred to by these names).
In researching the name of the Maen Achwyfan it is noticeable that for much of its history, the debate over its name was between "Maen Achwyfan" and "Maen Chwyfan" indeed it seems that the cross usually appears under one of these names in writing from 1388 until today. It seems to be that the real identifier in the name is "Maen" ("Stone") and the addition of Cross or Croes is unnecessary and even misleading given the debate to the Christian or pagan origins of the artwork.
Rev. Owen's writing on the subject of the name references the 1388 name, Gibson's edition of Britannia, Pennant's work and even goes as far as demanding that member of the local population repeat the name to him in person, so that he may hear any difference. In discussing all the varieties of names, Owen never once refers to the Cross as "Maen Achwyfan Cross", though he uses the term Cross to describe it many times. In discussing the age of the Cross, Owen staes that the artifact retains "the Celtic appellation Maen" which distinguishes it from "those stone crosses which are distinguished by the use of the adopted word Croes".
I think under Wikipedia's "common name" policies it would make more sense to rename this article "Maen Achwyfan", however if I am missing something, or there are any users who would wish to discuss this further please let me know.
Cymrogogoch ( talk) 12:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)