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I recently saw that Madonna is producing some new "ballad" or "grown up" music as it was reported by The Guardian (UK) and Daily Mail which features Adele as a collaboration. I don't know if it should be included in the article because it maybe rumors or such, but would it be sufficient to add?? Thank you. Links:
Madonna recently sustained criticism for using a racial slur on social media. This received significant media coverage and should be covered in this article. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] 50.14.213.167 ( talk) 18:51, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I am looking way, way back in the revision history and up until 2010 the infobox said her years active were since 1982. Now it says 1979, which is skeptical. Professionally her debut was 1982 when she signed a deal with Sire and recorded her first single. Casually, if we are to include her work in the Breakfast Club and Emmy bands, her years active should go no further back than 1980, since the "Pre-Madonna" album labels all her pre-fame recordings as 1980 or 1981. Kaynow5 ( talk) 08:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Some time ago her full name was listed here as Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie, now it is just Madonna Louise Ciccone. Did she legally drop Ritchie from her surname, or was that just assumed? Kaynow5 ( talk) 00:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Should not Madonna's official Instagramaccount entered? A suggestion to anyone who has permission to do this, I may not. The address: http://instagram.com/madonna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerbaz ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
— Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 14:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Madonna posted on Facebook that she was off to the studio to work with Avicci. Presumably on her upcoming studio album.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a556274/madonna-reveals-she-is-recording-new-tracks-with-avicii.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.145.6 ( talk) 23:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be better if a new section be added with further and deeper information about her whole enterprise? Everything relating all her ventures in a separate section might be more convenient to read. From Maverick, Boy Toy. Inc, Semtex Girls, Raising Malawi, Material Girl Collection to the Hard Candy Fittness. -- Watquaza ( talk) 17:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The articles says, "During shooting she fell sick many times due to the intense emotional effort required." However, as she told Oprah, she was also pregnant during the filming, which was also a factor: I was winded after every take. I had to lie on the couch every ten minutes so I could recover from dizzy spells, I was worried that I was shaking the baby around too much and that would injure it in some way. source. Worth adding? It's one of my favorite films so I find this aspect interesting. -- Light show ( talk) 06:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Being dragged down an alley at knife point and forced to perform fellatio, by any definition, constitutes rape. The wording of the article, namely that she 'characterized' this incident as rape, carries the unnecessary and slightly disturbing suggestion that there is some ambiguity around the content of the claim. Whoever has access to this article should edit accordingly.
The rape article clearly states: "In 2012, the FBI changed their definition from "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will." to "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."" — Status ( talk · contribs) 05:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
So why is the other source even there? It isn't used to support anything in the existing text. Remove it. ( Hohum @) 17:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Bluesatellite: With respect, I think the first paragraph is the lead's biggest (and only significant) problem: it pushes Madonna as an innovator, an icon and an extraordinary musician, but barely ties it to music. It would be much better if these thoughts could be dispersed throughout the lead and linked to why she has been afforded these descriptions, e.g. unprecedented power and control in the music industry (Maverick Records, the release of Sex/Erotica), known to induce controversy ("Like A Prayer" video), pushing the boundaries of mainstream popular music ("Vogue", "Frozen", etc.) At the moment I think the paragraph just sits as puffery bordering on the journalistic, and it's not that you're not correct in making these points, it's just that they should be given support to have a more factual ground and neutral tone. Best, — JennKR | ☎ 16:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I do not think the lead is a problem. Why? = It is a good summary of what is being discussed in the rest of the article. Especially in the legacy section, that describe this, including many adjectives and uses the words like "...icon, cultural and/or culture meanings". In change, I believe that it is appropriate, cut the section of legacy.
By the last three paragraphs (legacy section), could well go in a section called like "Business ventures and wealth". It's hard, because along the article we talks about her business creations and we have already created separate articles. But... It is better to give a detail in general all in a separate section (details like critics, companies...).
We can created a section like "Legacy and influence", talking about her level and influence in the entertainment industry and, including the critics comments. Finally, we can create a separate article, Cultural impact of Madonna and/or Madonna in the Popular culture like a mixture of Marilyn Monroe in popular culture and Cultural impact of Elvis Presley (I have many sources in several languages about Madonna in popular culture, the media comments and, course images: [10] [11]). Nothing is redundant and we are more spacious and clean detail of Madonna as a character is given, the areas in which it works and the critical comments in each area (that are big) Best regards, Chrishonduras ( talk) 21:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I see the 2013 source from Forbes lists her at $500 million. I'm not sure why. However, many other reliable sources are listing her worth at a billion. What do you think?-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I still stand by what I said in the original discussion. @ Bluesatellite: I think your suggestion is best. The article used to say both, but somewhere down the line it was changed. — Status ( talk · contribs) 18:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I propose to replace the currently used infobox picture with the one below. It's very much better picture we have as for now, without those weird arms of her, and she's looking to the front. Both pictures are from the same photographer, so there's no difference in quaility/resolution. This is the preview of the infobox photo that I suggest. What do you all think? Let me know if there's any objection. Bluesatellite ( talk) 09:06, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay guys, I have changed the infobox picture. Any further opinions are welcome here :) Bluesatellite ( talk) 17:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I like the one on the left a lot more. -- Light show ( talk) 18:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Hohum:, you've stated in an edit summary that we can't use a "warped" image but didn't say why. Can you please elaborate? XXSNUGGUMSXX ( talk) 16:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Idea: A more interesting lead photo might be
this one, which is a promo still for her 1983 debut album, by Sire. I found no copyright for the photo and the person selling it says the back is blank. I'd be happy to upload it for a lead image with consensus. --
Light show (
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04:15, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
How about this one, it's from 2008, and is of far higher quality, no strange expression. The reflections are a little distracting, and could be toned down a *little*. There is another version but it's been overdone. ( Hohum @) 17:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
The 2008 image was used for a looong time until many got SICK of it. Madonna's the biggest star of the world and it's so hard to have a wide variety of public domain images to use? I actually like this image best. It's the one in use just a few weeks ago. Israell ( talk) 07:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
What about this one from the MDNA Tour? http://oi60.tinypic.com/332rmfb.jpg Could we use it if we got the proper license? Israell ( talk) 07:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Just observed the revision history of Michael Jackson's page where someone changed the start of his "years active" from 1964 to 1968, noting that in 1964 he was only a local performer and that his professional musical career did not start until 1968.
A similar change makes sense for Madonna. Her professional musical career began in 1982. In the previous discussion, someone argued that 1979 was the start of her professional career because in that year she was a back-up dancer in a few of Patrick Hernandez's concerts and acted in her first film, A Certain Sacrifice. But those were both local gigs unrelated to her professional career.
A Certain Sacrifice was a student film, a local production equivalent to a high school play. All of the "actors" were ordinary people who appeared in the project for free, except Madonna who was paid 35 dollars at request. By no means was this a feature film, and the only reason it eventually got minor distribution in 1985 was to cash in on Madonna's newfound fame (she tried to prevent it from being released). It does not count as part of her professional career.
This article actually does not have a direct source for the statement that she performed as a dancer on Patrick Hernandez's 1979 world tour. Hernandez's Wiki page does have a source, which states the following: After auditioning for French disco singer Patrick Hernandez, Madonna took off for Paris, where she was to be part of his concert show. She did backup singing for him on a few recording sessions. However, her overly independent nature irked Hernandez and his associates, and she was soon jobless. This was unrelated to her professional career. Also, the musical group she performed in during the early 1980s, Breakfast Club, was only a local band at that time (they were not signed to a record label until 1984, three years after she left the group). Madonna's professional career began in 1982.
This old revision had it right. Somewhere along the way, mistaken information was incorporated into the article, and the errors went unnoticed, even after the page was deemed a "Good Article." An example of mistaken information that went unnoticed, for instance, is the erroneous statement "Madonna moved to New York City in 1977" which has since been changed (she moved there in 1978 according to every source; there was no source supporting 1977, it was merely a mistake made by an editor). Her years active should be changed back to 1982. Kaynow5 ( talk) 02:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Completely true, IndianBio. I see that Kaynow5 just using his 'own' assumption to claim this job is professional or that one is not. For comparison, the active year in John Lennon (FA) article is 1957, and his first record deal was in 1962 with The Beatles. Adam Levine did not sign to any label until 1997 with Kara's Flowers, yet his article says he's been active since 1994. You cannot say a band without recording deal is not professional, that's a POV. Madonna formed Breakfast Club in 1979, they performed in clubs, and they get paid. Thas's definitely part of her career as a musician. Bluesatellite ( talk) 05:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
...."Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records".
According to Guinness World Records, Madonna besides being, the the best-selling female recording artist of all time, is the the most successful female recording of all time. So... we can add that:
...."Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the most successful and best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records". Bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.120.18.172 ( talk) 00:46, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Can't the lead be shortened? Isn't it too long? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senegambianamestudy ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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Madonna's last name is pronounced "chi-ko-NEE" in English, as opposed to "chi-ko-NAY" in Italian. Madonna herself pronounces it "chi-ko-NEE". Both her parents were born in the United States, by the way. I suggest the IPA is changed to reflect that. Israell ( talk) 07:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Here's a source: Lauer: “So if I said to you what is your religion...?” Madonna: “I don’t have a religion because I don’t like that word religion.” Lauer: “You used to have a religion.” Madonna: “What was it, I was raised a Catholic. But that was something that was imposed on me by my family.” Lauer: “So if someone asked you, you would say I have no religion, I’m spiritual.” Madonna: “I’m a Kabbalah.” Madonna regularly attends classes at the Kabbalah Center in Los Angeles, as do husband Guy Ritchie and six-year-old daughter Lourdes. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080045/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/t/madonna-american-life/
Madonna never left Kabbalah. She was seen at the Kabbalah Center just last March: http://www.madonnarama.com/posts-en/2014/03/23/madonna-at-the-kabbalah-center-in-new-york-22-march-2014-pictures/ http://www.celebritybabyscoop.com/2014/03/25/madonna-kabbalah-with-kids
Israell ( talk) 08:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Madonna at the Kabbalah Center (May 2014): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2625207/Madonnas-son-David-Banda-shows-moves-dances-way-Kabbalah-Centre-New-York.html These from Madonna's official Instagram (Kabbalah related): http://instagram.com/p/llzFu4GEfn/ http://instagram.com/p/XNIAjfGEUR/
Is it possible to just replace "Religion" by "Belief system"? It's how Madonna described Kabbalah as in the interview linked above. If not, the Infobox could still read: "Religion: Kabbalah"; I see no objection to it. Israell ( talk) 08:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
It is a well-established fact Madonna currently IS an adept of Kabbalah. Madonna spoke about it in countless interviews since 1997. The body of the article also does mention it. I've posted evidence she still attends the Kabbalah Center. Links that come from her own Instagram are her own confirmation she's still a Kabbalist.
Here's an excerpt from an Oct. 4th 2013 interview: "If I became a Buddhist—put an altar in my house and started chanting "Nam-myoho-renge-kyo"—no one would have bothered me at all. I mean no disrespect to Buddhists, but Kabbalah really freaked people out. It still does." http://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/news/madonna-interview-1113 Israell ( talk) 10:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Madonna was listed in Billboard Magazine "List of Top 25 Live Artists Since 1990" which was published 27th May 2014 Madonna is listed as the 4th most successful artist & the highest among females with a Gross of $1,140,230,941 from an attendance of 9,694,079 in 382 shows.
Furthermore, Time magazine published a list of " the 100 most obsessed-over people on the web". Where Madonna came in 3rd, the highest for any female. 27th May 2014
http://time.com/109947/web-ranking/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.200.0 ( talk) 23:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
At the end of the section for Music videos there is an error. it says in May 2014 Rolling Stone magazine named her the 4th highest grossing touring act. It was in fact Billboard magazine who named her this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.125.228 ( talk) 22:42, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Under the vocal style & Instruments section, this phrase:
"After two decades, Madonna decide to perform with guitar again during the promotion of Music"
Should read:
"After two decades, Madonna decided to perform with guitar again during the promotion of Music"
...as the content of the paragraph is in the third person/past tense, "decide" should be "decided"
Cheers :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scullard.L ( talk • contribs) 03:26, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
http://www.evoke.ie/most-influential-women-in-history/ This is a huge accomplishment and needs to be added right away. Also Queen of Pop should be next to her name, just like Michael Jackson's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.102.226 ( talk) 09:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Adding Category:Bisexual entertainers. From page 147 of Madonna: An Intimate Biography: "Because Madonna has been frank about her bisexual nature". I'm surprised that this isn't mentioned in the article. Its mentioned in Bisexual Erasure and its been brought up on these talk pages a few times before. Zell Faze ( talk) 17:03, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
This article still reads like a fan site: The lede contains vague fluff like "She achieved popularity by pushing the boundaries of lyrical content" and she is "known for reinventing both her music and image" -which can be said for almost anyone else as well. Now look at the section for legacy: it uses phrases that call her "almost sacred," "most influential," "Global cultural icon," "changed everything," "changed the world's social history," "America's smartest businesswoman," and "most important woman in the history of popular music." Yes, she has sold a lot of records, she has acted in movies, she dabbled in fashion design. That does not make her a sacred icon. It makes her one of hundreds of other people who did the same thing. This article needs constant vigilance to avoid becoming the 67th book of the Holy Bible. Catherinejarvis ( talk) 16:45, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
As the person who nominated this page for GA, I'm considering proposing it for reassessment as I think the problems of this page are worsening beyond belief. The version of the article I nominated successfully was by no means perfect, but I believe it to be far more neutral than the current state of the article. The two worrying aspects are the lead and the Legacy section, which I think have been incrementally expanded into sections with fansite-like writing and lots of cut-and-stick quotations about how influential and amazing Madonna is. This isn't how an encyclopedia entry should read. I hope that editors can help facilitate a re-write of these sections, either formally in a GAR or informally through talk page discussion and general editing, or failing this, I think the article could be helped by copyedits from editors not interested in the subject. Regards, — JennKR | ☎ 15:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
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I recently saw that Madonna is producing some new "ballad" or "grown up" music as it was reported by The Guardian (UK) and Daily Mail which features Adele as a collaboration. I don't know if it should be included in the article because it maybe rumors or such, but would it be sufficient to add?? Thank you. Links:
Madonna recently sustained criticism for using a racial slur on social media. This received significant media coverage and should be covered in this article. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] 50.14.213.167 ( talk) 18:51, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I am looking way, way back in the revision history and up until 2010 the infobox said her years active were since 1982. Now it says 1979, which is skeptical. Professionally her debut was 1982 when she signed a deal with Sire and recorded her first single. Casually, if we are to include her work in the Breakfast Club and Emmy bands, her years active should go no further back than 1980, since the "Pre-Madonna" album labels all her pre-fame recordings as 1980 or 1981. Kaynow5 ( talk) 08:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Some time ago her full name was listed here as Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie, now it is just Madonna Louise Ciccone. Did she legally drop Ritchie from her surname, or was that just assumed? Kaynow5 ( talk) 00:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Should not Madonna's official Instagramaccount entered? A suggestion to anyone who has permission to do this, I may not. The address: http://instagram.com/madonna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerbaz ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
— Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 14:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Madonna posted on Facebook that she was off to the studio to work with Avicci. Presumably on her upcoming studio album.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a556274/madonna-reveals-she-is-recording-new-tracks-with-avicii.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.145.6 ( talk) 23:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be better if a new section be added with further and deeper information about her whole enterprise? Everything relating all her ventures in a separate section might be more convenient to read. From Maverick, Boy Toy. Inc, Semtex Girls, Raising Malawi, Material Girl Collection to the Hard Candy Fittness. -- Watquaza ( talk) 17:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The articles says, "During shooting she fell sick many times due to the intense emotional effort required." However, as she told Oprah, she was also pregnant during the filming, which was also a factor: I was winded after every take. I had to lie on the couch every ten minutes so I could recover from dizzy spells, I was worried that I was shaking the baby around too much and that would injure it in some way. source. Worth adding? It's one of my favorite films so I find this aspect interesting. -- Light show ( talk) 06:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Being dragged down an alley at knife point and forced to perform fellatio, by any definition, constitutes rape. The wording of the article, namely that she 'characterized' this incident as rape, carries the unnecessary and slightly disturbing suggestion that there is some ambiguity around the content of the claim. Whoever has access to this article should edit accordingly.
The rape article clearly states: "In 2012, the FBI changed their definition from "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will." to "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."" — Status ( talk · contribs) 05:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
So why is the other source even there? It isn't used to support anything in the existing text. Remove it. ( Hohum @) 17:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Bluesatellite: With respect, I think the first paragraph is the lead's biggest (and only significant) problem: it pushes Madonna as an innovator, an icon and an extraordinary musician, but barely ties it to music. It would be much better if these thoughts could be dispersed throughout the lead and linked to why she has been afforded these descriptions, e.g. unprecedented power and control in the music industry (Maverick Records, the release of Sex/Erotica), known to induce controversy ("Like A Prayer" video), pushing the boundaries of mainstream popular music ("Vogue", "Frozen", etc.) At the moment I think the paragraph just sits as puffery bordering on the journalistic, and it's not that you're not correct in making these points, it's just that they should be given support to have a more factual ground and neutral tone. Best, — JennKR | ☎ 16:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I do not think the lead is a problem. Why? = It is a good summary of what is being discussed in the rest of the article. Especially in the legacy section, that describe this, including many adjectives and uses the words like "...icon, cultural and/or culture meanings". In change, I believe that it is appropriate, cut the section of legacy.
By the last three paragraphs (legacy section), could well go in a section called like "Business ventures and wealth". It's hard, because along the article we talks about her business creations and we have already created separate articles. But... It is better to give a detail in general all in a separate section (details like critics, companies...).
We can created a section like "Legacy and influence", talking about her level and influence in the entertainment industry and, including the critics comments. Finally, we can create a separate article, Cultural impact of Madonna and/or Madonna in the Popular culture like a mixture of Marilyn Monroe in popular culture and Cultural impact of Elvis Presley (I have many sources in several languages about Madonna in popular culture, the media comments and, course images: [10] [11]). Nothing is redundant and we are more spacious and clean detail of Madonna as a character is given, the areas in which it works and the critical comments in each area (that are big) Best regards, Chrishonduras ( talk) 21:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I see the 2013 source from Forbes lists her at $500 million. I'm not sure why. However, many other reliable sources are listing her worth at a billion. What do you think?-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I still stand by what I said in the original discussion. @ Bluesatellite: I think your suggestion is best. The article used to say both, but somewhere down the line it was changed. — Status ( talk · contribs) 18:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I propose to replace the currently used infobox picture with the one below. It's very much better picture we have as for now, without those weird arms of her, and she's looking to the front. Both pictures are from the same photographer, so there's no difference in quaility/resolution. This is the preview of the infobox photo that I suggest. What do you all think? Let me know if there's any objection. Bluesatellite ( talk) 09:06, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay guys, I have changed the infobox picture. Any further opinions are welcome here :) Bluesatellite ( talk) 17:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I like the one on the left a lot more. -- Light show ( talk) 18:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Hohum:, you've stated in an edit summary that we can't use a "warped" image but didn't say why. Can you please elaborate? XXSNUGGUMSXX ( talk) 16:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Idea: A more interesting lead photo might be
this one, which is a promo still for her 1983 debut album, by Sire. I found no copyright for the photo and the person selling it says the back is blank. I'd be happy to upload it for a lead image with consensus. --
Light show (
talk)
04:15, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
How about this one, it's from 2008, and is of far higher quality, no strange expression. The reflections are a little distracting, and could be toned down a *little*. There is another version but it's been overdone. ( Hohum @) 17:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
The 2008 image was used for a looong time until many got SICK of it. Madonna's the biggest star of the world and it's so hard to have a wide variety of public domain images to use? I actually like this image best. It's the one in use just a few weeks ago. Israell ( talk) 07:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
What about this one from the MDNA Tour? http://oi60.tinypic.com/332rmfb.jpg Could we use it if we got the proper license? Israell ( talk) 07:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Just observed the revision history of Michael Jackson's page where someone changed the start of his "years active" from 1964 to 1968, noting that in 1964 he was only a local performer and that his professional musical career did not start until 1968.
A similar change makes sense for Madonna. Her professional musical career began in 1982. In the previous discussion, someone argued that 1979 was the start of her professional career because in that year she was a back-up dancer in a few of Patrick Hernandez's concerts and acted in her first film, A Certain Sacrifice. But those were both local gigs unrelated to her professional career.
A Certain Sacrifice was a student film, a local production equivalent to a high school play. All of the "actors" were ordinary people who appeared in the project for free, except Madonna who was paid 35 dollars at request. By no means was this a feature film, and the only reason it eventually got minor distribution in 1985 was to cash in on Madonna's newfound fame (she tried to prevent it from being released). It does not count as part of her professional career.
This article actually does not have a direct source for the statement that she performed as a dancer on Patrick Hernandez's 1979 world tour. Hernandez's Wiki page does have a source, which states the following: After auditioning for French disco singer Patrick Hernandez, Madonna took off for Paris, where she was to be part of his concert show. She did backup singing for him on a few recording sessions. However, her overly independent nature irked Hernandez and his associates, and she was soon jobless. This was unrelated to her professional career. Also, the musical group she performed in during the early 1980s, Breakfast Club, was only a local band at that time (they were not signed to a record label until 1984, three years after she left the group). Madonna's professional career began in 1982.
This old revision had it right. Somewhere along the way, mistaken information was incorporated into the article, and the errors went unnoticed, even after the page was deemed a "Good Article." An example of mistaken information that went unnoticed, for instance, is the erroneous statement "Madonna moved to New York City in 1977" which has since been changed (she moved there in 1978 according to every source; there was no source supporting 1977, it was merely a mistake made by an editor). Her years active should be changed back to 1982. Kaynow5 ( talk) 02:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Completely true, IndianBio. I see that Kaynow5 just using his 'own' assumption to claim this job is professional or that one is not. For comparison, the active year in John Lennon (FA) article is 1957, and his first record deal was in 1962 with The Beatles. Adam Levine did not sign to any label until 1997 with Kara's Flowers, yet his article says he's been active since 1994. You cannot say a band without recording deal is not professional, that's a POV. Madonna formed Breakfast Club in 1979, they performed in clubs, and they get paid. Thas's definitely part of her career as a musician. Bluesatellite ( talk) 05:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
...."Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records".
According to Guinness World Records, Madonna besides being, the the best-selling female recording artist of all time, is the the most successful female recording of all time. So... we can add that:
...."Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the most successful and best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records". Bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.120.18.172 ( talk) 00:46, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Can't the lead be shortened? Isn't it too long? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senegambianamestudy ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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207.233.80.138 ( talk) 01:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Madonna's last name is pronounced "chi-ko-NEE" in English, as opposed to "chi-ko-NAY" in Italian. Madonna herself pronounces it "chi-ko-NEE". Both her parents were born in the United States, by the way. I suggest the IPA is changed to reflect that. Israell ( talk) 07:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Here's a source: Lauer: “So if I said to you what is your religion...?” Madonna: “I don’t have a religion because I don’t like that word religion.” Lauer: “You used to have a religion.” Madonna: “What was it, I was raised a Catholic. But that was something that was imposed on me by my family.” Lauer: “So if someone asked you, you would say I have no religion, I’m spiritual.” Madonna: “I’m a Kabbalah.” Madonna regularly attends classes at the Kabbalah Center in Los Angeles, as do husband Guy Ritchie and six-year-old daughter Lourdes. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080045/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/t/madonna-american-life/
Madonna never left Kabbalah. She was seen at the Kabbalah Center just last March: http://www.madonnarama.com/posts-en/2014/03/23/madonna-at-the-kabbalah-center-in-new-york-22-march-2014-pictures/ http://www.celebritybabyscoop.com/2014/03/25/madonna-kabbalah-with-kids
Israell ( talk) 08:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Madonna at the Kabbalah Center (May 2014): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2625207/Madonnas-son-David-Banda-shows-moves-dances-way-Kabbalah-Centre-New-York.html These from Madonna's official Instagram (Kabbalah related): http://instagram.com/p/llzFu4GEfn/ http://instagram.com/p/XNIAjfGEUR/
Is it possible to just replace "Religion" by "Belief system"? It's how Madonna described Kabbalah as in the interview linked above. If not, the Infobox could still read: "Religion: Kabbalah"; I see no objection to it. Israell ( talk) 08:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
It is a well-established fact Madonna currently IS an adept of Kabbalah. Madonna spoke about it in countless interviews since 1997. The body of the article also does mention it. I've posted evidence she still attends the Kabbalah Center. Links that come from her own Instagram are her own confirmation she's still a Kabbalist.
Here's an excerpt from an Oct. 4th 2013 interview: "If I became a Buddhist—put an altar in my house and started chanting "Nam-myoho-renge-kyo"—no one would have bothered me at all. I mean no disrespect to Buddhists, but Kabbalah really freaked people out. It still does." http://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/news/madonna-interview-1113 Israell ( talk) 10:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Madonna was listed in Billboard Magazine "List of Top 25 Live Artists Since 1990" which was published 27th May 2014 Madonna is listed as the 4th most successful artist & the highest among females with a Gross of $1,140,230,941 from an attendance of 9,694,079 in 382 shows.
Furthermore, Time magazine published a list of " the 100 most obsessed-over people on the web". Where Madonna came in 3rd, the highest for any female. 27th May 2014
http://time.com/109947/web-ranking/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.200.0 ( talk) 23:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
At the end of the section for Music videos there is an error. it says in May 2014 Rolling Stone magazine named her the 4th highest grossing touring act. It was in fact Billboard magazine who named her this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.125.228 ( talk) 22:42, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Under the vocal style & Instruments section, this phrase:
"After two decades, Madonna decide to perform with guitar again during the promotion of Music"
Should read:
"After two decades, Madonna decided to perform with guitar again during the promotion of Music"
...as the content of the paragraph is in the third person/past tense, "decide" should be "decided"
Cheers :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scullard.L ( talk • contribs) 03:26, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
http://www.evoke.ie/most-influential-women-in-history/ This is a huge accomplishment and needs to be added right away. Also Queen of Pop should be next to her name, just like Michael Jackson's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.102.226 ( talk) 09:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Adding Category:Bisexual entertainers. From page 147 of Madonna: An Intimate Biography: "Because Madonna has been frank about her bisexual nature". I'm surprised that this isn't mentioned in the article. Its mentioned in Bisexual Erasure and its been brought up on these talk pages a few times before. Zell Faze ( talk) 17:03, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
This article still reads like a fan site: The lede contains vague fluff like "She achieved popularity by pushing the boundaries of lyrical content" and she is "known for reinventing both her music and image" -which can be said for almost anyone else as well. Now look at the section for legacy: it uses phrases that call her "almost sacred," "most influential," "Global cultural icon," "changed everything," "changed the world's social history," "America's smartest businesswoman," and "most important woman in the history of popular music." Yes, she has sold a lot of records, she has acted in movies, she dabbled in fashion design. That does not make her a sacred icon. It makes her one of hundreds of other people who did the same thing. This article needs constant vigilance to avoid becoming the 67th book of the Holy Bible. Catherinejarvis ( talk) 16:45, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
As the person who nominated this page for GA, I'm considering proposing it for reassessment as I think the problems of this page are worsening beyond belief. The version of the article I nominated successfully was by no means perfect, but I believe it to be far more neutral than the current state of the article. The two worrying aspects are the lead and the Legacy section, which I think have been incrementally expanded into sections with fansite-like writing and lots of cut-and-stick quotations about how influential and amazing Madonna is. This isn't how an encyclopedia entry should read. I hope that editors can help facilitate a re-write of these sections, either formally in a GAR or informally through talk page discussion and general editing, or failing this, I think the article could be helped by copyedits from editors not interested in the subject. Regards, — JennKR | ☎ 15:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)