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Are we certain that when Leporello mentions, among the women seduced by Don Giovanni, the "bianca" (literally, "the white one") he means "the very blond"? It is far more simple to suppose that he refers to old, white-haired women. In any case, simply translating "white" leaves the ambiguity untouched and the reader may choose for himself. If no one objects, I'll change "very blond" to "white" (no matter what NYC Opera Project says). Goochelaar ( talk) 22:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Aria text and English translation
Italian | English translation |
---|---|
Madamina, il catalogo è questo |
My dear lady, this is a list |
Original Italian | English translation |
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Dell'Italia, ed Alemagna |
From Italy and Germany |
I agree about the repetitions. I changed it to simply "artisans, peasants". It's clear from the context that they refer to women. I have another question though. Most sources I've seen list Gazzaniga's opera as Don Giovanni, o sia Il convitato di pietra (usually shortened to simply Don Giovanni rather than Il convitato di pietra). I added the full title to the article. Is that OK? Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 11:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I would describe this as a backwards cabaletta form rather than what I think of as binary form- it is possibly unique in having the cantabile follow the cabaletta. How does Gazzaniga set his aria? Sparafucil ( talk) 10:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it's not a canon, since it doesn't consist of a single melodic line that is repeated by various voices. It's a harmonic pattern (15 bars) (violins, piano) to which a melodic line from Mozart's original aria is added with every second repetition, first the bass line (Baritone sax, Bass trombone etc.), then a soprano line (piccolo flute, trumpet), and finally the "baritone" melody of Mozart's original (tenor trombone). Every instrument keeps to its individual line. -- megA ( talk) 21:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
There are a number of Google hits for the aria under
and accordingly i'm creating Rdrs to the accompanying article.
However, the expression also refers to a category of other list songs, of which "
Thanks for the Memory" is the example i heard so described. I haven't found any (further) material for
List of catalog songs, but it sounds like it's a phenom recognized at least by those who write or commission songs, & the refs are probably out there somewhere; the accompanying article will need a HatNote Dab if and when that list gets created.
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Are we certain that when Leporello mentions, among the women seduced by Don Giovanni, the "bianca" (literally, "the white one") he means "the very blond"? It is far more simple to suppose that he refers to old, white-haired women. In any case, simply translating "white" leaves the ambiguity untouched and the reader may choose for himself. If no one objects, I'll change "very blond" to "white" (no matter what NYC Opera Project says). Goochelaar ( talk) 22:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Aria text and English translation
Italian | English translation |
---|---|
Madamina, il catalogo è questo |
My dear lady, this is a list |
Original Italian | English translation |
---|---|
Dell'Italia, ed Alemagna |
From Italy and Germany |
I agree about the repetitions. I changed it to simply "artisans, peasants". It's clear from the context that they refer to women. I have another question though. Most sources I've seen list Gazzaniga's opera as Don Giovanni, o sia Il convitato di pietra (usually shortened to simply Don Giovanni rather than Il convitato di pietra). I added the full title to the article. Is that OK? Best, Voceditenore ( talk) 11:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I would describe this as a backwards cabaletta form rather than what I think of as binary form- it is possibly unique in having the cantabile follow the cabaletta. How does Gazzaniga set his aria? Sparafucil ( talk) 10:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it's not a canon, since it doesn't consist of a single melodic line that is repeated by various voices. It's a harmonic pattern (15 bars) (violins, piano) to which a melodic line from Mozart's original aria is added with every second repetition, first the bass line (Baritone sax, Bass trombone etc.), then a soprano line (piccolo flute, trumpet), and finally the "baritone" melody of Mozart's original (tenor trombone). Every instrument keeps to its individual line. -- megA ( talk) 21:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
There are a number of Google hits for the aria under
and accordingly i'm creating Rdrs to the accompanying article.
However, the expression also refers to a category of other list songs, of which "
Thanks for the Memory" is the example i heard so described. I haven't found any (further) material for
List of catalog songs, but it sounds like it's a phenom recognized at least by those who write or commission songs, & the refs are probably out there somewhere; the accompanying article will need a HatNote Dab if and when that list gets created.
--
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