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Multiple internet sources suggest he was born in 1919. -- 93.107.199.105 ( talk) 20:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
"One mercenary had died during the skirmish"
What was the name of this mercenary ?
Wasn't he known as 'Mad Mike Hoare'? - ( Aidan Work 04:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC))
Yes, he was.
This line added:
"Primarily, Mike Hoare and his men were motivated by money, but their willingness to engage in criminal and violent acts was another motivating factor. Later in his career as a killer for hire, Hoare would be condemned in court and vilified by a judge for the atrocities committed by himself and his followers."
Much of the article seems to glorify Hoare as a heroic leader figure, which most historians would contest since his exploits and activities were often brutal and for substantial profit. This line was added for balance. Hoare was, in fact, never considered a heroic leader by any measure and in any written work.
Do a search of Guardian Karate School. Harry G. Smith was my Karate instructors teacher and member of the Wild Geese.
Some people NEED kill'n, and guys like Hoare and Smith are the ones to do it.
Peace.
This article provides a number of useful facts. Still it is mainly a glorification of a mercenary. The passage mentioned above under "objectivity", and which contains some criticism of his conduct, has been removed from the article. -- 84.188.211.138 01:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Although the US link to Diego Garcia is eminently plausible, I am not aware of any sources which back this up. Anyone know? If not, we should remove it. -- Magicmike 02:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it true that Mad Mike Hoare was a qualified chartered accountant? Thanks in advance for any info. PeadarMaguidhir 07:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find anything concrete to back this up (apart from a vague reference to the December 1980 Accountancy magazine disciplinary pages), but I recall hearing from an accountancy lecturer that Mad Mike was only thrown out of the ICAEW because he was in prison so couldn't pay his annual fees. In other words, they couldn't touch him for any of the "other stuff"! 86.140.171.105 08:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, I believe he may have been a member of the Irish Institute. Secondly, if convicted of a crime, he would automatically have been subject to an Institute investigation which would lead to expulsion.-- PeadarMaguidhir 15:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I really don't think that the radio personality Mike Webb is the same as the mercenary, and I removed the link. Grant McKenna 09:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
does anybody have any more recent information about him? Where he retired to, where is he now, etc?
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 18:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Please do not return this information to the artilce without a citation.-- BirgitteSB 19:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is absurdly biased in favour of its subject. It does not even make clear that he was convicted of a major crime and received a substantial sentence. (Facts available in the source at the link in footnote number 4). Why is he described as having been involved in "military battles" in the Indian Ocean rather than "criminal activities"? 212.137.36.228 ( talk) 08:51, 28 September 2011 (UTC)PaulN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.23.80 ( talk) 23:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hoare as in "rhymes with whore"? I image him punching a lot of people in the face if that is not the right pronounciation ;-) Maybe someone with a little bit knowledge of Irish can help?
Since he was a commender of the ANC 5 Commando, should Mike Hoare be included in the Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo military personnel? On the other hand, it was only a figleaf to hide foreign intervention. -- Jean Po ( talk) 22:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED ( non-admin closure) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 04:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Mike Hoare → Mad Mike Hoare – per WP:COMMONNAME. Overwhelmingly known in reliable sources as Mad Mike Hoare, "Mad" Mike Hoare or "Mad Mike" Hoare. See e.g. ~250 hits on gbooks or 24 hits on JSTOR BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 04:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I undid the good faith edit by user talk:Quisqualis because we need to retain the red-link to 5 Commando to encourage editors to create such a page (see [ Tasks - African Military History]. Because we already have a 5 Commando page on Wikipedia (Royal Marines) we need to add "ANC [Armée Nationale Congolaise] for disambiguation purposes. If ANC is ambiguous because of the South African political organisation, we can use any other unique and appropriate suffix. Recommendations are welcome. Farawayman ( talk) 12:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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Multiple internet sources suggest he was born in 1919. -- 93.107.199.105 ( talk) 20:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
"One mercenary had died during the skirmish"
What was the name of this mercenary ?
Wasn't he known as 'Mad Mike Hoare'? - ( Aidan Work 04:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC))
Yes, he was.
This line added:
"Primarily, Mike Hoare and his men were motivated by money, but their willingness to engage in criminal and violent acts was another motivating factor. Later in his career as a killer for hire, Hoare would be condemned in court and vilified by a judge for the atrocities committed by himself and his followers."
Much of the article seems to glorify Hoare as a heroic leader figure, which most historians would contest since his exploits and activities were often brutal and for substantial profit. This line was added for balance. Hoare was, in fact, never considered a heroic leader by any measure and in any written work.
Do a search of Guardian Karate School. Harry G. Smith was my Karate instructors teacher and member of the Wild Geese.
Some people NEED kill'n, and guys like Hoare and Smith are the ones to do it.
Peace.
This article provides a number of useful facts. Still it is mainly a glorification of a mercenary. The passage mentioned above under "objectivity", and which contains some criticism of his conduct, has been removed from the article. -- 84.188.211.138 01:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Although the US link to Diego Garcia is eminently plausible, I am not aware of any sources which back this up. Anyone know? If not, we should remove it. -- Magicmike 02:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it true that Mad Mike Hoare was a qualified chartered accountant? Thanks in advance for any info. PeadarMaguidhir 07:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find anything concrete to back this up (apart from a vague reference to the December 1980 Accountancy magazine disciplinary pages), but I recall hearing from an accountancy lecturer that Mad Mike was only thrown out of the ICAEW because he was in prison so couldn't pay his annual fees. In other words, they couldn't touch him for any of the "other stuff"! 86.140.171.105 08:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, I believe he may have been a member of the Irish Institute. Secondly, if convicted of a crime, he would automatically have been subject to an Institute investigation which would lead to expulsion.-- PeadarMaguidhir 15:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I really don't think that the radio personality Mike Webb is the same as the mercenary, and I removed the link. Grant McKenna 09:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
does anybody have any more recent information about him? Where he retired to, where is he now, etc?
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 18:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Please do not return this information to the artilce without a citation.-- BirgitteSB 19:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is absurdly biased in favour of its subject. It does not even make clear that he was convicted of a major crime and received a substantial sentence. (Facts available in the source at the link in footnote number 4). Why is he described as having been involved in "military battles" in the Indian Ocean rather than "criminal activities"? 212.137.36.228 ( talk) 08:51, 28 September 2011 (UTC)PaulN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.23.80 ( talk) 23:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hoare as in "rhymes with whore"? I image him punching a lot of people in the face if that is not the right pronounciation ;-) Maybe someone with a little bit knowledge of Irish can help?
Since he was a commender of the ANC 5 Commando, should Mike Hoare be included in the Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo military personnel? On the other hand, it was only a figleaf to hide foreign intervention. -- Jean Po ( talk) 22:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED ( non-admin closure) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 04:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Mike Hoare → Mad Mike Hoare – per WP:COMMONNAME. Overwhelmingly known in reliable sources as Mad Mike Hoare, "Mad" Mike Hoare or "Mad Mike" Hoare. See e.g. ~250 hits on gbooks or 24 hits on JSTOR BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 04:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I undid the good faith edit by user talk:Quisqualis because we need to retain the red-link to 5 Commando to encourage editors to create such a page (see [ Tasks - African Military History]. Because we already have a 5 Commando page on Wikipedia (Royal Marines) we need to add "ANC [Armée Nationale Congolaise] for disambiguation purposes. If ANC is ambiguous because of the South African political organisation, we can use any other unique and appropriate suffix. Recommendations are welcome. Farawayman ( talk) 12:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)