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Somebody tried to get rid of them, so I'm going to put in a little note here on that subject. As the article clearly states, the Pumpkins put these songs on the internet for free so that fans could download them. They encourage downloading. Their record company has not sued them for this, and it happened over six years ago. So the facts show that the Pumpkins were within their rights to put the songs out there. So, bottom line, it's legal to download these particular songs. The songs are still out there, still legal. So the download sites are a useful tool and an invaluable addition to the page. In fact, the ability to link to that type of resource is the whole benefit of wikipedia in a nutshell. SO DON'T REMOVE THE DOWNLOAD SITES. That's pointless. Songs are free, anybody who wants feel free to download and listen.-- Smashingworth 21:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any problems with the Billy Corgan website's download links? I think the link to the site should be taken off, when I tried that link, the website wasn't able to show the links for some reason, and instead linked to Metro Chicago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.56.253 ( talk) 02:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
some cunt tagged a few of the covers for deletion, provide in the info if you know it. -- Alex Ov Shaolin 20:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we should make more of a distinction that the 2-LP set is the "album" while the EPs are not really that. I think the 2-LP tracklist should be first- I think the only reason it's not is because of the catalog numbering (CR01-04) but I think a lot of people are under the misconception that tracklist is, as its presented here, the three EP's followed by the actual 2LP set, which makes no sense. THis is not that verifiable, though, so I'm probably reaching. - Werideatdusk33 20:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
This article states "Near the conclusion of the Machina sessions, it was Billy Corgan's wish to release a double album of material, but Virgin Records was unwilling to do that following the disappointing sales of Adore." I just heard an interview from November 29, 2000 in which Billy says it was due to poor sales of Machina/The Machines of God, rather than Adore. I think I'm going to change this and cite it. Twineball 18:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This quotation comes not from a press release from the band, but rather was written by the webmaster of the fansite spfc.org -- that writing was originally posted here, but has been edited, specifically to remove the "fuck you" portion, as the webmaster has been dismayed by exactly the sort of misattribution as was the case in this entry. Thus I have removed the quotation from the entry, as it reflected not an official statement from the band but rather was the view of a fan. Jjb 08:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the track names here match those on the official Web site instead of a fan site? Machina II is available in its entirety on smashingpumpkins.com at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio (which links to http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio_upload/audio/machinaii/) as of August 16, 2007. It is a bit confusing, though, because the track names contained in the MP3s here differ from the track names at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/music_machinaII (e.g.: Slow Dawn vs. Slow Down) -- Christopher C. Parker t c 20:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Anyone object to bumping this article up to B-class? I think it is definitely there - obviously, the tracklist and personnel sections could use better sourcing if thats possible, but i think the article is pretty complete (and the slow editing going on implicitly confirms this). Objections? - Werideatdusk33 07:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Billy Corgan hand-drew a diagram with a bunch of the Machina and Machina II songs that explains how they are thematically connected. It was somehow released on the Internet and I have it on my computer. I think it would be very helpful in both articles to demonstrate their "concept album" aspect and to better explain the flow of the songs and the creative genesis of the project. I'd like to upload it but am unsure as to what licensing it is. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and, if so, what license? - Werideatdusk33 ( talk) 19:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
This isn't an issue with what the tracks are CALLED (I think they should be the same as what smashingpumpkins.com show them on the downloads page) but whow the "tags" are written. Is there any way of writing them clearer? It just seems a but cumbersome to have them written as [sometimes listed as...] or [sometimes tagged with...] or whatever it was that I put. I think maybe there should be a note somewhere explaining that the track listing names vary depending on it's download source. I would do that myself, but I'm not really that good with wording things sometimes. Pasta of Muppets ( talk) 01:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone object to adding music samples to the page? Pasta of Muppets ( talk) 08:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This section seems entirely composed of original research and should be deleted if appropriate sources cannot be found. 98.232.58.2 ( talk) 01:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
My edits were reverted, I suppose if I explain my reasoning behind the edits, maybe they will be accepted.
For starters, the links to SP.com and Billy-Corgan.com are unavailable. I don't know about BC.com, it just has a link to download from MetroChicago.com, but SP.com hasn't hosted the album since the website re-launched a few months ago. If any links should be removed, it should at least be these two redundant links. I will remove those two now, and if no-one protests to the remaining link edits I will remove those too.
I included links to Eric Agnew's transfer and Thir13en's remaster of Q101, along with brief info about them. I also included SPIFC's transfer. All three are from Archive.org.
ThePumpkins.net download is sourced from Thir13en's remaster of Q101's transfer. MetroChicago.com dowload is sourced from Eric Agnew's transfer. Surely it is better to link to the original sources, with information about those particular transfers. It is better at least because the download options are far more flexible and of higher quality (FLAC, OGG and VBR MP3 compared to 192kbit/s at best) and also adding to the fact that downloading from SPIFC requires a membership.
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Should someone put where the B-Sides were from originaly?
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Somebody tried to get rid of them, so I'm going to put in a little note here on that subject. As the article clearly states, the Pumpkins put these songs on the internet for free so that fans could download them. They encourage downloading. Their record company has not sued them for this, and it happened over six years ago. So the facts show that the Pumpkins were within their rights to put the songs out there. So, bottom line, it's legal to download these particular songs. The songs are still out there, still legal. So the download sites are a useful tool and an invaluable addition to the page. In fact, the ability to link to that type of resource is the whole benefit of wikipedia in a nutshell. SO DON'T REMOVE THE DOWNLOAD SITES. That's pointless. Songs are free, anybody who wants feel free to download and listen.-- Smashingworth 21:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any problems with the Billy Corgan website's download links? I think the link to the site should be taken off, when I tried that link, the website wasn't able to show the links for some reason, and instead linked to Metro Chicago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.56.253 ( talk) 02:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
some cunt tagged a few of the covers for deletion, provide in the info if you know it. -- Alex Ov Shaolin 20:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we should make more of a distinction that the 2-LP set is the "album" while the EPs are not really that. I think the 2-LP tracklist should be first- I think the only reason it's not is because of the catalog numbering (CR01-04) but I think a lot of people are under the misconception that tracklist is, as its presented here, the three EP's followed by the actual 2LP set, which makes no sense. THis is not that verifiable, though, so I'm probably reaching. - Werideatdusk33 20:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
This article states "Near the conclusion of the Machina sessions, it was Billy Corgan's wish to release a double album of material, but Virgin Records was unwilling to do that following the disappointing sales of Adore." I just heard an interview from November 29, 2000 in which Billy says it was due to poor sales of Machina/The Machines of God, rather than Adore. I think I'm going to change this and cite it. Twineball 18:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This quotation comes not from a press release from the band, but rather was written by the webmaster of the fansite spfc.org -- that writing was originally posted here, but has been edited, specifically to remove the "fuck you" portion, as the webmaster has been dismayed by exactly the sort of misattribution as was the case in this entry. Thus I have removed the quotation from the entry, as it reflected not an official statement from the band but rather was the view of a fan. Jjb 08:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the track names here match those on the official Web site instead of a fan site? Machina II is available in its entirety on smashingpumpkins.com at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio (which links to http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio_upload/audio/machinaii/) as of August 16, 2007. It is a bit confusing, though, because the track names contained in the MP3s here differ from the track names at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/music_machinaII (e.g.: Slow Dawn vs. Slow Down) -- Christopher C. Parker t c 20:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Anyone object to bumping this article up to B-class? I think it is definitely there - obviously, the tracklist and personnel sections could use better sourcing if thats possible, but i think the article is pretty complete (and the slow editing going on implicitly confirms this). Objections? - Werideatdusk33 07:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Billy Corgan hand-drew a diagram with a bunch of the Machina and Machina II songs that explains how they are thematically connected. It was somehow released on the Internet and I have it on my computer. I think it would be very helpful in both articles to demonstrate their "concept album" aspect and to better explain the flow of the songs and the creative genesis of the project. I'd like to upload it but am unsure as to what licensing it is. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and, if so, what license? - Werideatdusk33 ( talk) 19:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
This isn't an issue with what the tracks are CALLED (I think they should be the same as what smashingpumpkins.com show them on the downloads page) but whow the "tags" are written. Is there any way of writing them clearer? It just seems a but cumbersome to have them written as [sometimes listed as...] or [sometimes tagged with...] or whatever it was that I put. I think maybe there should be a note somewhere explaining that the track listing names vary depending on it's download source. I would do that myself, but I'm not really that good with wording things sometimes. Pasta of Muppets ( talk) 01:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone object to adding music samples to the page? Pasta of Muppets ( talk) 08:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This section seems entirely composed of original research and should be deleted if appropriate sources cannot be found. 98.232.58.2 ( talk) 01:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
My edits were reverted, I suppose if I explain my reasoning behind the edits, maybe they will be accepted.
For starters, the links to SP.com and Billy-Corgan.com are unavailable. I don't know about BC.com, it just has a link to download from MetroChicago.com, but SP.com hasn't hosted the album since the website re-launched a few months ago. If any links should be removed, it should at least be these two redundant links. I will remove those two now, and if no-one protests to the remaining link edits I will remove those too.
I included links to Eric Agnew's transfer and Thir13en's remaster of Q101, along with brief info about them. I also included SPIFC's transfer. All three are from Archive.org.
ThePumpkins.net download is sourced from Thir13en's remaster of Q101's transfer. MetroChicago.com dowload is sourced from Eric Agnew's transfer. Surely it is better to link to the original sources, with information about those particular transfers. It is better at least because the download options are far more flexible and of higher quality (FLAC, OGG and VBR MP3 compared to 192kbit/s at best) and also adding to the fact that downloading from SPIFC requires a membership.
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Should someone put where the B-Sides were from originaly?
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