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I have been bold and expanded and improved the lead, by advice of WP:lead. Conservatism is going to lead as nowhere and compromises cannot stand in the way of advancing the article. I would beg anyone to please refrain from deleting the new lead entirely before reading it. You will realize that all my additions are pragmatic, to the point, much more specific than previously vague descriptors and uncontested in discussion.
Note, meanings that desperate Greek users try to plug in are implied (to the extend they ascribe to the truth) much more gracefully with this new text. This kind request goes to all IPs and Greeks of the previous conversation (and of course to non-Greek Wikipedians alike). Thanks Shadowmorph ^"^ 18:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
(outdent) Future, could you help to restore my edits that were reverted through your eradication of the sockpuppet IP's edits? (he mostly tweaked around my text and he did seem to know his way around the wiki a little too much). Could you? I put a lot of work into it. Shadowmorph ^"^ 21:38, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
There are some issues with the article. As a first, I am of the opinion that the section about Empire should be expanded. The wars of Alexander the Great article's main focus is the battles and I see a good place here to provide a more detailed description of how the Empire worked, what the major cities of the time were and other things about its nature and legacy.
Secondly several important sites like e.g. Dion should have a section. The specifics of the kingdom's religious practicies, customs and culture is covered in detail in Ancient Macedonians respective sections so a very short summary with a link towards that should exist (I don't recall all the WP relevant policies now).
Lastly the Institutions section is poorly structured and although greatly informative it is poorly sourced. I counted one citation I believe.What do you think? Shadowmorph ^"^ 08:59, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I see the wording implying that Hellenistic Greece is a single empire, and that Macedonia was part of it, was intentional. This is as regrettable; neutral language is much preferable. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 11:48 am, 23 December 2014, Tuesday (16 days ago) (UTC+11)
I have redirected Macedon to Macedon, Victoria. A quick google search reveals that the Victorian town has more search results than the ancient kingdom. Quite simply:
It is quite obvious that most search results refer to the locality in Victoria. As such, I have made changes accordingly. Luxure Σ 01:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The stress on this article is because it is about Macedonia, and there is a controversy about the nature and ethnicity of modern Macedonia, a place defined by the Congress of Berlin around 1879. The modern controversy involves different ethnic, linguistic, and religious questions, having much more to do with the Exarchate of Bulgaria and the strategy of the Greek armies in 1912 than with any Temenid king.
I therefore propose that it be moved to Macedon, which redirects here; that the name be changed to Macedon except for any possible references to the name of the Roman province in Latin; and those who wish to validate their high-school textbooks' oversimplifications do so elsewhere. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Greetings everybody. Before I start let me just remove the dust from my account: *wipe* *wipe*. Phew that was thick! Glad to see that the usual "guardians" Taivo and Fut.Perf are still here unmovable, eerily like the sphinxes at Amphipolis tomb! :)
Now let me just jump straight into the question at hand with a straightforward answer in large friendly letters: DON'T MOVE THE ARTICLE!
Other than asking you what exact benefit will that have for wikipedia; do you remember what happened the last time? This whole discussion is pointless since Macedon is definately not more common use than Macedonia. I distinctly remember a big fuss beeing made about most common use. Actually I proved that Macedonia was in more common English everyday and scholary use with some evidence that I am too bored to dig up now (I think FutPerf gave a link). This renaming will accomplish nothing short of perplexing things.
I will even go on a limb here saying that in fact it will surely cause great harms in the normality of the Macedonia articles since there will definately be users that will use that as an excuse with an endgame of theirs that "Macedonia need no longer be disambiguated" since "ancient Macedonia is now named Macedon in Wikipedia" yada-yada or some other bogus statement.
Bottom line, TL:DR: Please do yourselves and everyone a favor and keep the normality. Normality is good, It was achieved through very hard work through enormous ammount of bigotry to a hard earned consensus. Remember that Taivo? Do you really want to go down that road again? I didn't think so.
It goes without saying that I will never be in favor of any renaming of this or any other Macedonia article ever again! Shadowmorph ^"^ 08:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the article lead, my views were expressed back in 2009. The plain "kingdom" is good as long as the rest flows towards a description including placing Macedonia in Greek geography and temporally identification reaching finally the apex of Hellenistic times.
As it now reads the article is using the word "periphery" twice in the lead: "was an ancient kingdom on the northern periphery of the Ancient Greek world" and "The rise of Macedon, from a small kingdom at the periphery, to one which came to dominate". This is just silly and serves to an evil purpose. Not using "Greek" is one thing, but making the lead spell "not-a-Greek" through tricky use of WP:POINTy words is much different.
Now since that stability we reached back then on the lead lasted only so far, using "Hellenic kingdom" in the starting sentence, followed with the sentence about Hellenistic civilization of ancient Greece (that is now last in paragraph) is my proposal. Nobody is contrasting "Hellenic kingdom" as I see it even though it is synonym to "Greek kingdom" - "Greek" still seems to cause unexplainable misery to some new editors - and perharps some confusion to some uninformed readers if it is used prematurely. "Hellenic" is better since it is not used too early if followed with the sentence about Hellenistic era. That's my proposal, thank's for your time :). Shadowmorph ^"^ 08:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
.I think Shadowmorph has given the best balanced most sensible proposal yet AkiiraGhioni ( talk) 11:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand why is there a problem with "ancient Greek kingdom" or "ancient Hellenic kingdom". If someone wishes to dispute that information then by all means do so with proof. I thought wikipedia is a site where not everybody who personally doesn't like certain facts can distort them to their liking. If the historian and academic communities agree on that then why is there a problem with having it say "ancient Hellenic kingdom"? TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 14:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
My question still stands no matter what you think of me, maybe my IP address can verify this to the people of wikipedia, not that it matters really if the question i posted has a point. I am a user who created a new account because i've been following this conversation for the past three months, after seeing the article change from "ancient Greek kingdom" to "ancient kingdom" almost every day. My question still stands though, why is there a problem with "ancient Greek kingdom" or "ancient Hellenic kingdom". If someone wishes to dispute that information then by all means do so with proof. I thought wikipedia is a site where not everybody who personally doesn't like certain facts can distort them to their liking. If the historian and academic communities agree on that then why is there a problem with having it say "ancient Hellenic kingdom"? TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 16:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
You call it "influence" when all i've heard from historians is the Macedonian kingdom being Greek with a few Thracian and Illyrian influences on it's Greek dialect. I don't know who are you and what is your problem with valid questions, but this site is supposed to educate by collecting the information for any possible thing people may want to learn about. So maybe you're the troll here, if truth and generally accepted facts upset you or anybody else and provoke a reaction so what? What's the problem? Do we need to leave wikipedia to the people who don't know what they're talking about and leave them shape it in a way they find acceptable, regardless of truth? Macedonia was a Hellenic/ Greek kingdom and as such it's perfectly acceptable to have that at the very top of the article. Why is it unethical in your opinion to do so? Do you personally disagree with that and you'll be upset if this article is truthful? This isn't my personal opinion mind you, if you were a serious person you wouldn't personally attack me by calling me names such as "single purpose account", "sockpuppet" and "troll". You would address the question i asked. Up till this point the only thing you did was attack a new user because your personal view differs from the general view. Well done. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 18:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
If putting the word Greek in front of kingdom is antagonistic to a segment of readers then that means they don't accept the generally accepted truth. Wikipedia shouldn't fall prey to sentiment and personal points of view. I don't care if you don't take me seriously, to be truthful i don't take seriously a person who talks out of sentiment and his/her hatred of truth being obvious to the readers as they enter the article. Why should the readers struggle to understand that Macedonia was a Greek kingdom? Why do you keep showing your utter disregard for historical facts in favor of sentiment? If you're so concerned about a group of readers who will find the wording "Greek kingdom" "antagonistic" why aren't you equally concerned about the group of people who find the wording "ancient kingdom" without the Greek between to be antagonistic? Very pretentious of you sir, you who claim to be unbiased yet you've shown you favor the anti-Greek propaganda and sentimentality over facts. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 19:35, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Another thing, when whatever you say is going to be considered as "antagonistic" to a certain group of people then it's better to stick to the truth. In this case it seems it favors the people who want it to be "ancient Greek/Hellenic kingdom". Except if you're biased and a certain group of people feeling antagonized concerns you more than another, like in this case. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 19:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong but saying "on the northern periphery of the ancient Greek world" means that it was a kingdom adjacent to the Greeks and therefore making it not Greek/Hellenic. This couldn't be more wrong as proven not by me but by all available historical evidence. So it wouldn't be fair to say because it has the word "Greek" in it then i should be happy. It could say " a kingdom adjacent to the Greeks" and it would still have the word Greek in it but it would still be wrong and misleading. This pushes the anti-Greek propaganda from the very first sentence. And again, i don't see anything wrong with "antagonizing" certain readers. Wikipedia is about truth and truth cannot, or should not, make compromises based on sentimental reasons.
When you say "Greek-pushers" you mean the people who tried to implement the word Greek in it because it wasn't there before. So what i ask you? If you thought it wasn't right present your reasons and I'm sure since you're an older member they will be considered carefully. You don't have any? Then why so hellbent on removing the word? Until this point you told me that wording it "Greek kingdom" makes some people upset and that's why it was removed. Is that a valid reason for a site such as wikipedia to edit a post as important as this? Let's consider for a moment the possibility that it is. You're aware by now I'm sure that remove it or have it there, the word Greek in front of the kingdom is going to upset some people. So why do you take sides and care more about the people who don't want it there being upset? Other wikipedia articles such as the Epirus says that it was "an ancient Greek state" and i don't see anybody changing that because it might "antagonize some readers". Want me to answer because you'll never address the question? You want to make it as difficult as possible for readers to identify the Macedonian kingdom as a Greek/Hellenic state. The reasons are your own but when you hold such a position you better make them apparent to the rest of us. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 17:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't facts come first? Wouldn't neutrality mean nothing if facts are downplayed? If scholars define ancient Macedonia as an ancient Greek kingdom, then wouldn't the impartial thing to do is to have the entry include what they say? 108.5.39.81 ( talk) 17:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
How can the issue be 'complex' if scholars impartially agree that ancient Macedonia was an ancient Greek/Hellenic kingdom? 108.5.39.81 ( talk) 18:09, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how it can be complex, apparently wikipedia has fallen prey to the will of the most influential person in here, facts no longer seem to matter and the way this article is edited is to make it as obscure as possible to understand that Macedonia was a Greek kingdom. As i said other articles don't have that issue, Epirus is described as an "ancient Greek state" because most if not all historians agree on it. Here although most if not all historians agree on the fact that Macedonia was a Greek kingdom we have problems regarding the feelings of certain readers that might feel "antagonized" by the generally accepted truth. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 18:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
As you can see here Epidamnus was north of Epirus and was indeed a city among barbarian tribes. The black letters represent the Greek peoples. You've created an account on wikipedia, i suggest you read its articles too before commenting on such matters. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 00:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I believe that we should name Macedonia as a Greek state since all its kings were Greeks,the "oficial" language was Greek and the people were Greek.Maybe"Macedonia or Macedon (/ˈmæsɪˌdɒn/; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía; Ancient: [ma͜akedoní.a͜a]) was a Greek ancient kingdom located in the noth of Greece — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCGT888 ( talk • contribs) 11:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
should state ancient macedonian, which is a hellenic language, see article: Ancient Macedonian language. Why has this been omitted from the article? seems to be rudimentary information. how could it be missed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.26.123 ( talk) 11:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
This reference has no place in this article for two reasons: 1) WP:MOSMAC prohibits the use of "FYROM" (or "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia") in reference to the Republic of Macedonia; 2) modern Macedonia has nothing to do with ancient Macedonia. -- Taivo ( talk) 11:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | → | Archive 15 |
I have been bold and expanded and improved the lead, by advice of WP:lead. Conservatism is going to lead as nowhere and compromises cannot stand in the way of advancing the article. I would beg anyone to please refrain from deleting the new lead entirely before reading it. You will realize that all my additions are pragmatic, to the point, much more specific than previously vague descriptors and uncontested in discussion.
Note, meanings that desperate Greek users try to plug in are implied (to the extend they ascribe to the truth) much more gracefully with this new text. This kind request goes to all IPs and Greeks of the previous conversation (and of course to non-Greek Wikipedians alike). Thanks Shadowmorph ^"^ 18:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
(outdent) Future, could you help to restore my edits that were reverted through your eradication of the sockpuppet IP's edits? (he mostly tweaked around my text and he did seem to know his way around the wiki a little too much). Could you? I put a lot of work into it. Shadowmorph ^"^ 21:38, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
There are some issues with the article. As a first, I am of the opinion that the section about Empire should be expanded. The wars of Alexander the Great article's main focus is the battles and I see a good place here to provide a more detailed description of how the Empire worked, what the major cities of the time were and other things about its nature and legacy.
Secondly several important sites like e.g. Dion should have a section. The specifics of the kingdom's religious practicies, customs and culture is covered in detail in Ancient Macedonians respective sections so a very short summary with a link towards that should exist (I don't recall all the WP relevant policies now).
Lastly the Institutions section is poorly structured and although greatly informative it is poorly sourced. I counted one citation I believe.What do you think? Shadowmorph ^"^ 08:59, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I see the wording implying that Hellenistic Greece is a single empire, and that Macedonia was part of it, was intentional. This is as regrettable; neutral language is much preferable. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 11:48 am, 23 December 2014, Tuesday (16 days ago) (UTC+11)
I have redirected Macedon to Macedon, Victoria. A quick google search reveals that the Victorian town has more search results than the ancient kingdom. Quite simply:
It is quite obvious that most search results refer to the locality in Victoria. As such, I have made changes accordingly. Luxure Σ 01:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The stress on this article is because it is about Macedonia, and there is a controversy about the nature and ethnicity of modern Macedonia, a place defined by the Congress of Berlin around 1879. The modern controversy involves different ethnic, linguistic, and religious questions, having much more to do with the Exarchate of Bulgaria and the strategy of the Greek armies in 1912 than with any Temenid king.
I therefore propose that it be moved to Macedon, which redirects here; that the name be changed to Macedon except for any possible references to the name of the Roman province in Latin; and those who wish to validate their high-school textbooks' oversimplifications do so elsewhere. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Greetings everybody. Before I start let me just remove the dust from my account: *wipe* *wipe*. Phew that was thick! Glad to see that the usual "guardians" Taivo and Fut.Perf are still here unmovable, eerily like the sphinxes at Amphipolis tomb! :)
Now let me just jump straight into the question at hand with a straightforward answer in large friendly letters: DON'T MOVE THE ARTICLE!
Other than asking you what exact benefit will that have for wikipedia; do you remember what happened the last time? This whole discussion is pointless since Macedon is definately not more common use than Macedonia. I distinctly remember a big fuss beeing made about most common use. Actually I proved that Macedonia was in more common English everyday and scholary use with some evidence that I am too bored to dig up now (I think FutPerf gave a link). This renaming will accomplish nothing short of perplexing things.
I will even go on a limb here saying that in fact it will surely cause great harms in the normality of the Macedonia articles since there will definately be users that will use that as an excuse with an endgame of theirs that "Macedonia need no longer be disambiguated" since "ancient Macedonia is now named Macedon in Wikipedia" yada-yada or some other bogus statement.
Bottom line, TL:DR: Please do yourselves and everyone a favor and keep the normality. Normality is good, It was achieved through very hard work through enormous ammount of bigotry to a hard earned consensus. Remember that Taivo? Do you really want to go down that road again? I didn't think so.
It goes without saying that I will never be in favor of any renaming of this or any other Macedonia article ever again! Shadowmorph ^"^ 08:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the article lead, my views were expressed back in 2009. The plain "kingdom" is good as long as the rest flows towards a description including placing Macedonia in Greek geography and temporally identification reaching finally the apex of Hellenistic times.
As it now reads the article is using the word "periphery" twice in the lead: "was an ancient kingdom on the northern periphery of the Ancient Greek world" and "The rise of Macedon, from a small kingdom at the periphery, to one which came to dominate". This is just silly and serves to an evil purpose. Not using "Greek" is one thing, but making the lead spell "not-a-Greek" through tricky use of WP:POINTy words is much different.
Now since that stability we reached back then on the lead lasted only so far, using "Hellenic kingdom" in the starting sentence, followed with the sentence about Hellenistic civilization of ancient Greece (that is now last in paragraph) is my proposal. Nobody is contrasting "Hellenic kingdom" as I see it even though it is synonym to "Greek kingdom" - "Greek" still seems to cause unexplainable misery to some new editors - and perharps some confusion to some uninformed readers if it is used prematurely. "Hellenic" is better since it is not used too early if followed with the sentence about Hellenistic era. That's my proposal, thank's for your time :). Shadowmorph ^"^ 08:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
.I think Shadowmorph has given the best balanced most sensible proposal yet AkiiraGhioni ( talk) 11:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand why is there a problem with "ancient Greek kingdom" or "ancient Hellenic kingdom". If someone wishes to dispute that information then by all means do so with proof. I thought wikipedia is a site where not everybody who personally doesn't like certain facts can distort them to their liking. If the historian and academic communities agree on that then why is there a problem with having it say "ancient Hellenic kingdom"? TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 14:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
My question still stands no matter what you think of me, maybe my IP address can verify this to the people of wikipedia, not that it matters really if the question i posted has a point. I am a user who created a new account because i've been following this conversation for the past three months, after seeing the article change from "ancient Greek kingdom" to "ancient kingdom" almost every day. My question still stands though, why is there a problem with "ancient Greek kingdom" or "ancient Hellenic kingdom". If someone wishes to dispute that information then by all means do so with proof. I thought wikipedia is a site where not everybody who personally doesn't like certain facts can distort them to their liking. If the historian and academic communities agree on that then why is there a problem with having it say "ancient Hellenic kingdom"? TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 16:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
You call it "influence" when all i've heard from historians is the Macedonian kingdom being Greek with a few Thracian and Illyrian influences on it's Greek dialect. I don't know who are you and what is your problem with valid questions, but this site is supposed to educate by collecting the information for any possible thing people may want to learn about. So maybe you're the troll here, if truth and generally accepted facts upset you or anybody else and provoke a reaction so what? What's the problem? Do we need to leave wikipedia to the people who don't know what they're talking about and leave them shape it in a way they find acceptable, regardless of truth? Macedonia was a Hellenic/ Greek kingdom and as such it's perfectly acceptable to have that at the very top of the article. Why is it unethical in your opinion to do so? Do you personally disagree with that and you'll be upset if this article is truthful? This isn't my personal opinion mind you, if you were a serious person you wouldn't personally attack me by calling me names such as "single purpose account", "sockpuppet" and "troll". You would address the question i asked. Up till this point the only thing you did was attack a new user because your personal view differs from the general view. Well done. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 18:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
If putting the word Greek in front of kingdom is antagonistic to a segment of readers then that means they don't accept the generally accepted truth. Wikipedia shouldn't fall prey to sentiment and personal points of view. I don't care if you don't take me seriously, to be truthful i don't take seriously a person who talks out of sentiment and his/her hatred of truth being obvious to the readers as they enter the article. Why should the readers struggle to understand that Macedonia was a Greek kingdom? Why do you keep showing your utter disregard for historical facts in favor of sentiment? If you're so concerned about a group of readers who will find the wording "Greek kingdom" "antagonistic" why aren't you equally concerned about the group of people who find the wording "ancient kingdom" without the Greek between to be antagonistic? Very pretentious of you sir, you who claim to be unbiased yet you've shown you favor the anti-Greek propaganda and sentimentality over facts. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 19:35, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Another thing, when whatever you say is going to be considered as "antagonistic" to a certain group of people then it's better to stick to the truth. In this case it seems it favors the people who want it to be "ancient Greek/Hellenic kingdom". Except if you're biased and a certain group of people feeling antagonized concerns you more than another, like in this case. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 19:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong but saying "on the northern periphery of the ancient Greek world" means that it was a kingdom adjacent to the Greeks and therefore making it not Greek/Hellenic. This couldn't be more wrong as proven not by me but by all available historical evidence. So it wouldn't be fair to say because it has the word "Greek" in it then i should be happy. It could say " a kingdom adjacent to the Greeks" and it would still have the word Greek in it but it would still be wrong and misleading. This pushes the anti-Greek propaganda from the very first sentence. And again, i don't see anything wrong with "antagonizing" certain readers. Wikipedia is about truth and truth cannot, or should not, make compromises based on sentimental reasons.
When you say "Greek-pushers" you mean the people who tried to implement the word Greek in it because it wasn't there before. So what i ask you? If you thought it wasn't right present your reasons and I'm sure since you're an older member they will be considered carefully. You don't have any? Then why so hellbent on removing the word? Until this point you told me that wording it "Greek kingdom" makes some people upset and that's why it was removed. Is that a valid reason for a site such as wikipedia to edit a post as important as this? Let's consider for a moment the possibility that it is. You're aware by now I'm sure that remove it or have it there, the word Greek in front of the kingdom is going to upset some people. So why do you take sides and care more about the people who don't want it there being upset? Other wikipedia articles such as the Epirus says that it was "an ancient Greek state" and i don't see anybody changing that because it might "antagonize some readers". Want me to answer because you'll never address the question? You want to make it as difficult as possible for readers to identify the Macedonian kingdom as a Greek/Hellenic state. The reasons are your own but when you hold such a position you better make them apparent to the rest of us. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 17:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't facts come first? Wouldn't neutrality mean nothing if facts are downplayed? If scholars define ancient Macedonia as an ancient Greek kingdom, then wouldn't the impartial thing to do is to have the entry include what they say? 108.5.39.81 ( talk) 17:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
How can the issue be 'complex' if scholars impartially agree that ancient Macedonia was an ancient Greek/Hellenic kingdom? 108.5.39.81 ( talk) 18:09, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how it can be complex, apparently wikipedia has fallen prey to the will of the most influential person in here, facts no longer seem to matter and the way this article is edited is to make it as obscure as possible to understand that Macedonia was a Greek kingdom. As i said other articles don't have that issue, Epirus is described as an "ancient Greek state" because most if not all historians agree on it. Here although most if not all historians agree on the fact that Macedonia was a Greek kingdom we have problems regarding the feelings of certain readers that might feel "antagonized" by the generally accepted truth. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 18:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
As you can see here Epidamnus was north of Epirus and was indeed a city among barbarian tribes. The black letters represent the Greek peoples. You've created an account on wikipedia, i suggest you read its articles too before commenting on such matters. TheAnonymousCoward ( talk) 00:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I believe that we should name Macedonia as a Greek state since all its kings were Greeks,the "oficial" language was Greek and the people were Greek.Maybe"Macedonia or Macedon (/ˈmæsɪˌdɒn/; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía; Ancient: [ma͜akedoní.a͜a]) was a Greek ancient kingdom located in the noth of Greece — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCGT888 ( talk • contribs) 11:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
should state ancient macedonian, which is a hellenic language, see article: Ancient Macedonian language. Why has this been omitted from the article? seems to be rudimentary information. how could it be missed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.26.123 ( talk) 11:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
This reference has no place in this article for two reasons: 1) WP:MOSMAC prohibits the use of "FYROM" (or "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia") in reference to the Republic of Macedonia; 2) modern Macedonia has nothing to do with ancient Macedonia. -- Taivo ( talk) 11:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)