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I have reverted to the last but one version which explains about the differences between the Verdi and Shakespeare versions. This had been deleted by someone using an IP number. Kleinzach 12:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I've removed a comment in the article re: the San Francisco Opera's 2007 Macbeth which suggested that the aria was included in the Thomas Hampson performances (which I saw in November '07).
I asked Dr. Kip Cranna, Director of Musical Administration, at the San Francisco Opera about this, and his reply (in part) reads:
(and he goes on to give reasons.)
Does anyone know of any companies which have done it this way? Dr Cranna did add that the 1994 production with James Morris did incoropate the aria. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 23:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't his name be listed as "Banco" which the opera uses, rather than "Banquo" as in the play? 207.237.243.185 ( talk) 00:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
An editor has just added a second, nearly identical navbox to this article [1]. The only difference between the boxes — besides arguably more accessibility and better design in the upper box — are the two bottom sections in the lower box (theatre names, biographical plays and films) which are marginal trivia with AFAIK nothing to do with this article. Can we please remove the redundant lower box. Thank you. -- Klein zach 08:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC) P.S. The editor has now also put the double box on Stiffelio, Attila, and Il corsaro. Klein zach 08:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Note: This thread was moved here from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera to keep discussions about the article's content local. -- Xover ( talk) 09:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)]
On
Macbeth there's a {{
page needed}}
tag on a cite to
Deryck Cooke's Vindications: Essays on Romantic Music (1982), specifically the essay "Shakespeare into Music" (1964), supporting the following quote:
Only during the present Verdi craze could his Macbeth be seriously set beside its tremendous original. What can we make of a Macbeth who pursues his fatal vision through a musical desert of the old fustian recitative, or a Lady Macbeth whose prayer to be unsexed is a barn-storming martial cabaletta? In the "Grand scena di sonnambulismo", admittedly, Verdi did so magically stroke the big strumming guitar of his orchestra, and so chasten the vocal pride of Italian bel canto, as to foreshadow his achievements of some forty years later.
If anyone has access to either the original essay or the reprinted version—or, in a pinch, can cite the quote to a different source (someone using the same quote perhaps?)—it would be much appreciated. My field is Shakespeare, so for those opera articles that intersect with Shakespeare I will generally lack both the relevant expertise and access to sources. Any assistance would be very much appreciated! -- Xover ( talk) 09:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Macbeth (opera) → Macbeth (Verdi) – Dab from other operas with same name. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering ( talk) 05:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
It is also worth having a read through Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names. Graham ( talk) 01:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Usually, a qualified title that is still ambiguous has no primary topic, and therefore should redirect to the disambiguation page (or to a section of it). ...
In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. See List of partially disambiguated article titles.
— Wikipedia:Disambiguation § Incomplete disambiguation
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![]() | On 19 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Macbeth (opera) to Macbeth (Verdi). The result of the discussion was moved. |
I have reverted to the last but one version which explains about the differences between the Verdi and Shakespeare versions. This had been deleted by someone using an IP number. Kleinzach 12:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I've removed a comment in the article re: the San Francisco Opera's 2007 Macbeth which suggested that the aria was included in the Thomas Hampson performances (which I saw in November '07).
I asked Dr. Kip Cranna, Director of Musical Administration, at the San Francisco Opera about this, and his reply (in part) reads:
(and he goes on to give reasons.)
Does anyone know of any companies which have done it this way? Dr Cranna did add that the 1994 production with James Morris did incoropate the aria. Viva-Verdi ( talk) 23:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't his name be listed as "Banco" which the opera uses, rather than "Banquo" as in the play? 207.237.243.185 ( talk) 00:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
An editor has just added a second, nearly identical navbox to this article [1]. The only difference between the boxes — besides arguably more accessibility and better design in the upper box — are the two bottom sections in the lower box (theatre names, biographical plays and films) which are marginal trivia with AFAIK nothing to do with this article. Can we please remove the redundant lower box. Thank you. -- Klein zach 08:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC) P.S. The editor has now also put the double box on Stiffelio, Attila, and Il corsaro. Klein zach 08:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Note: This thread was moved here from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera to keep discussions about the article's content local. -- Xover ( talk) 09:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)]
On
Macbeth there's a {{
page needed}}
tag on a cite to
Deryck Cooke's Vindications: Essays on Romantic Music (1982), specifically the essay "Shakespeare into Music" (1964), supporting the following quote:
Only during the present Verdi craze could his Macbeth be seriously set beside its tremendous original. What can we make of a Macbeth who pursues his fatal vision through a musical desert of the old fustian recitative, or a Lady Macbeth whose prayer to be unsexed is a barn-storming martial cabaletta? In the "Grand scena di sonnambulismo", admittedly, Verdi did so magically stroke the big strumming guitar of his orchestra, and so chasten the vocal pride of Italian bel canto, as to foreshadow his achievements of some forty years later.
If anyone has access to either the original essay or the reprinted version—or, in a pinch, can cite the quote to a different source (someone using the same quote perhaps?)—it would be much appreciated. My field is Shakespeare, so for those opera articles that intersect with Shakespeare I will generally lack both the relevant expertise and access to sources. Any assistance would be very much appreciated! -- Xover ( talk) 09:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Macbeth (opera) → Macbeth (Verdi) – Dab from other operas with same name. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering ( talk) 05:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
It is also worth having a read through Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names. Graham ( talk) 01:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Usually, a qualified title that is still ambiguous has no primary topic, and therefore should redirect to the disambiguation page (or to a section of it). ...
In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. See List of partially disambiguated article titles.
— Wikipedia:Disambiguation § Incomplete disambiguation