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I was just wondering, why remove the older betas? I think it should still be included. Itsquietuptown ( talk) 13:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Apple has made a blunder with this release, no ifs/ands/buts. Personally, I'm shocked at what has gone on at Cupertino since Jobs died. Editors will have to incorporate the problems that still resided on the 'golden master' release candidate into the article - if Apple actually does release it on the 25th. The reports on the various Mac sites all give the feeling of a product that was rushed. 50.111.54.136 ( talk) 01:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
How, exactly, is a file system "designed" for flash? I can see the driver being such, either by having better access patterns or supporting SSD features, but this statement seems to be touting it as an improvement over what is possible in HFS+, when such things could equally be added to that driver. The linked citation seems to just eat up what is essentially Apple marketing, too…
— Deathanatos ( talk) 01:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Shall we add about unsupport of 32-bit apps on Macs after High Sierra? This 9to5Mac link and this real Mac link mention stuff about 32-bit apps not being supporting on future Macs after High Sierra. Do you reckon this be relevant to this article? Qwertyxp2000 ( talk | contribs) 02:19, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
The last macOS release to support 32-bit apps without compromise is macOS High Sierra.
Update: 1) Mojave still supported 32-bit executables, with whatever "compromise" that required unknown, but Catalina dropped support, and 2) Apple finally gave us the Big Sur I'd been waiting for. :-) Guy Harris ( talk) 07:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Notes
The claim "Extended support ends in September 2020" does not have a citation. I cannot find anything on the net that supports the claimed date, excepts various "informed guesses", all of which arrive at other dates than "September 2020".
The same holds for "iTunes, in August 2021", i.e. no citation, but for iTunes is not clear to me that it really belongs here at all (why is iTunes special, why not Garage Band, Mail.app, ...?)
For now I will mark it with citation needed. I'm new to Wikipedia so please correct any mistakes I make.
Per Mildner ( talk) 10:53, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Additional views sought: Hiding the existence of high severity publicly known security vulnerabilities in MacOS High Sierra like this isn't cool?
I modified support status to Partial Support [1]
-- 50.201.195.170 ( talk) 22:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
References
I added a "citation needed" marker to claims that macOS High Sierra is currently unsupported, based on doing some web research to find a source. Not only could I not find a source, I found plenty of claims that Apple does not publish an end-of-life date or even an official supported / unsupported status for macOS versions. Instead, people suggest (hearsay) that the best you can do is to look at Apple's latest security update on Apple security updates, and infer the support status based on whether updates are still being released for an OS version.
I would like to add an authoritative source but I can't find one and I'm not sure one exists. It might actually be better to remove all references to the support status, if that is not a well-defined thing. Maybe instead Wikipedia could list "date of last update"?
Felipe Sherman ( talk) 03:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Starting this discussion in the hope of starting a precedent for future versions of Apple OSes (and maybe Android). Recent edits have asserted that macOS High Sierra is unsupported. These edits have not been supported by references, or referenced unrelated sources (the one about January 2021 is about one specific University's software). Apple does not have a fixed support policy for its OSes but the precedent for macOS since around the early 2010s has been to support the latest 3 versions. However, inferred precedent is insufficient due to WP:CRYSTAL. As a remedy for this situation, given uncertainty and discussion over macOS High Sierra and Android 8 as they approached their inferred end of life in 2020, I propose that we use the information on updates provided from the software company to determine the support status of the product. I suggest that, if an older version of an operating system receives no updates while later versions of that operating system have received at least two updates since the older version was updated, based on the sources, the older version is unsupported. It's definitely not a perfect procedure, but I feel it could remedy the confusion and still comply with WP:CRYSTAL. Please let me know your thoughts. Herbfur ( talk) 05:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Guy Harris: I'm trying to find an official source from apple.com that says "Yes, High Sierra is most definitely unsupported, please upgrade your Mac". The context for this is I know someone with an old iMac (2011?) that doesn't support anything after High Sierra and is considering throwing it in the skip even though it does basic web browsing and word processing absolutely fine, which (AFAIK) is all they use it for. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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I was just wondering, why remove the older betas? I think it should still be included. Itsquietuptown ( talk) 13:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Apple has made a blunder with this release, no ifs/ands/buts. Personally, I'm shocked at what has gone on at Cupertino since Jobs died. Editors will have to incorporate the problems that still resided on the 'golden master' release candidate into the article - if Apple actually does release it on the 25th. The reports on the various Mac sites all give the feeling of a product that was rushed. 50.111.54.136 ( talk) 01:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
How, exactly, is a file system "designed" for flash? I can see the driver being such, either by having better access patterns or supporting SSD features, but this statement seems to be touting it as an improvement over what is possible in HFS+, when such things could equally be added to that driver. The linked citation seems to just eat up what is essentially Apple marketing, too…
— Deathanatos ( talk) 01:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Shall we add about unsupport of 32-bit apps on Macs after High Sierra? This 9to5Mac link and this real Mac link mention stuff about 32-bit apps not being supporting on future Macs after High Sierra. Do you reckon this be relevant to this article? Qwertyxp2000 ( talk | contribs) 02:19, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
The last macOS release to support 32-bit apps without compromise is macOS High Sierra.
Update: 1) Mojave still supported 32-bit executables, with whatever "compromise" that required unknown, but Catalina dropped support, and 2) Apple finally gave us the Big Sur I'd been waiting for. :-) Guy Harris ( talk) 07:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Notes
The claim "Extended support ends in September 2020" does not have a citation. I cannot find anything on the net that supports the claimed date, excepts various "informed guesses", all of which arrive at other dates than "September 2020".
The same holds for "iTunes, in August 2021", i.e. no citation, but for iTunes is not clear to me that it really belongs here at all (why is iTunes special, why not Garage Band, Mail.app, ...?)
For now I will mark it with citation needed. I'm new to Wikipedia so please correct any mistakes I make.
Per Mildner ( talk) 10:53, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Additional views sought: Hiding the existence of high severity publicly known security vulnerabilities in MacOS High Sierra like this isn't cool?
I modified support status to Partial Support [1]
-- 50.201.195.170 ( talk) 22:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
References
I added a "citation needed" marker to claims that macOS High Sierra is currently unsupported, based on doing some web research to find a source. Not only could I not find a source, I found plenty of claims that Apple does not publish an end-of-life date or even an official supported / unsupported status for macOS versions. Instead, people suggest (hearsay) that the best you can do is to look at Apple's latest security update on Apple security updates, and infer the support status based on whether updates are still being released for an OS version.
I would like to add an authoritative source but I can't find one and I'm not sure one exists. It might actually be better to remove all references to the support status, if that is not a well-defined thing. Maybe instead Wikipedia could list "date of last update"?
Felipe Sherman ( talk) 03:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Starting this discussion in the hope of starting a precedent for future versions of Apple OSes (and maybe Android). Recent edits have asserted that macOS High Sierra is unsupported. These edits have not been supported by references, or referenced unrelated sources (the one about January 2021 is about one specific University's software). Apple does not have a fixed support policy for its OSes but the precedent for macOS since around the early 2010s has been to support the latest 3 versions. However, inferred precedent is insufficient due to WP:CRYSTAL. As a remedy for this situation, given uncertainty and discussion over macOS High Sierra and Android 8 as they approached their inferred end of life in 2020, I propose that we use the information on updates provided from the software company to determine the support status of the product. I suggest that, if an older version of an operating system receives no updates while later versions of that operating system have received at least two updates since the older version was updated, based on the sources, the older version is unsupported. It's definitely not a perfect procedure, but I feel it could remedy the confusion and still comply with WP:CRYSTAL. Please let me know your thoughts. Herbfur ( talk) 05:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Guy Harris: I'm trying to find an official source from apple.com that says "Yes, High Sierra is most definitely unsupported, please upgrade your Mac". The context for this is I know someone with an old iMac (2011?) that doesn't support anything after High Sierra and is considering throwing it in the skip even though it does basic web browsing and word processing absolutely fine, which (AFAIK) is all they use it for. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)