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I am not writing an article as Gaeilge, I am putting up the correct form of those names, AND still referencing the anglicised form, while leaving the article concerned in English, on the English language wikipedia.
Fergananim (
talk)
11:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
An article about a Chinese emperor would use the equivalent name in Latin letters in an anglicised form. It would not use Chinese characters or the "correct" Chinese transliteration. Your changes are not so much corrections as Gaelic-purity-pushing. That's why we have an article called
Brian Boru, not his "correct" name. And Brian's dynasty was much more important than the McCarthy's dynasty. So stop the "correcting" crusade please on this an numerous other articles.
Laurel Lodged (
talk)
09:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree.
Fergananim has not edited for some years, but any other article name changes they made should be reviewed and probably reversed as this one has been. The
correct article title is the one commonly used in English.
BurgeoningContracting, will you be looking at this? Let me know if I can help. (In all my spare time... <laughs> but I guess we're all like that... </laughs>)
In my opinion the article formerly at
Maelbrighte Ó Hussey should be moved back there from where it ended up at Giolla Brighde Ó hEódhasa after a later move. Frankly I see that as a no-brainer. The article itself says that Maelbrighte Ó Hussey is the common name in English. Does that help?
In fact if it were not for the later move it could be done boldly. The rationale of Fergananim moved page Maelbrighte Ó Hussey to Maol Brighde Ó hEodhusa: Correct form of his name, as he wrote it himself shows
no understanding of the issue.
The redirects from Gaelic names, even multiple ones, are fine and should remain for many reasons. Perhaps we need a category and associated R from template for such redirects, or is there one and I have missed it?
Andrewa (
talk)
04:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I don't believe there is a template, but I can't be sure either since I am not familiar with the whole Irish surname or clan page group as a whole. The Wiki Projects relating to this page don't have anything that I see relevant in that regard either.
BurgeoningContracting02:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I had in mind a more general template such as
template:R from non-English name with a usage note such as This template should be applied to redirects from names from other languages that are sometimes used in English, but not as commonly as the name of the article in question.
But to my surprise that link
template:R from non-English name which I just typed was not a redlink as I was expecting, but instead it led to some very interesting places!
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Closing comment: Nom is quite correct, see the history of the target as of 17:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC):
19:36, 16 May 2019 EmausBot talk contribs block m 51 bytes −4 Bot: Fixing double redirect to McCarthy of Muskerry rollback: 1 editundo Tag: Redirect target changed
16:15, 16 May 2019 Fergananim talk contribs block 55 bytes +55 Fergananim moved page MacCarthy of Muskerry to Mac Carthaigh Múscraige: correct form of designation thank Tag: New redirect
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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I am not writing an article as Gaeilge, I am putting up the correct form of those names, AND still referencing the anglicised form, while leaving the article concerned in English, on the English language wikipedia.
Fergananim (
talk)
11:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
An article about a Chinese emperor would use the equivalent name in Latin letters in an anglicised form. It would not use Chinese characters or the "correct" Chinese transliteration. Your changes are not so much corrections as Gaelic-purity-pushing. That's why we have an article called
Brian Boru, not his "correct" name. And Brian's dynasty was much more important than the McCarthy's dynasty. So stop the "correcting" crusade please on this an numerous other articles.
Laurel Lodged (
talk)
09:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree.
Fergananim has not edited for some years, but any other article name changes they made should be reviewed and probably reversed as this one has been. The
correct article title is the one commonly used in English.
BurgeoningContracting, will you be looking at this? Let me know if I can help. (In all my spare time... <laughs> but I guess we're all like that... </laughs>)
In my opinion the article formerly at
Maelbrighte Ó Hussey should be moved back there from where it ended up at Giolla Brighde Ó hEódhasa after a later move. Frankly I see that as a no-brainer. The article itself says that Maelbrighte Ó Hussey is the common name in English. Does that help?
In fact if it were not for the later move it could be done boldly. The rationale of Fergananim moved page Maelbrighte Ó Hussey to Maol Brighde Ó hEodhusa: Correct form of his name, as he wrote it himself shows
no understanding of the issue.
The redirects from Gaelic names, even multiple ones, are fine and should remain for many reasons. Perhaps we need a category and associated R from template for such redirects, or is there one and I have missed it?
Andrewa (
talk)
04:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I don't believe there is a template, but I can't be sure either since I am not familiar with the whole Irish surname or clan page group as a whole. The Wiki Projects relating to this page don't have anything that I see relevant in that regard either.
BurgeoningContracting02:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I had in mind a more general template such as
template:R from non-English name with a usage note such as This template should be applied to redirects from names from other languages that are sometimes used in English, but not as commonly as the name of the article in question.
But to my surprise that link
template:R from non-English name which I just typed was not a redlink as I was expecting, but instead it led to some very interesting places!
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Closing comment: Nom is quite correct, see the history of the target as of 17:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC):
19:36, 16 May 2019 EmausBot talk contribs block m 51 bytes −4 Bot: Fixing double redirect to McCarthy of Muskerry rollback: 1 editundo Tag: Redirect target changed
16:15, 16 May 2019 Fergananim talk contribs block 55 bytes +55 Fergananim moved page MacCarthy of Muskerry to Mac Carthaigh Múscraige: correct form of designation thank Tag: New redirect
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.