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This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
The contents of the MV Freyja page were
merged into
MV Millennial Spirit on 27 February 2022. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see
its talk page.
A fact from MV Millennial Spirit appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 March 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the tanker MV Millennial Spirit flew under a Moldovan flag, was crewed entirely by Russians, and was mistaken for a Romanian ship?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: Yes, this article is related to the
2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. However, a few qualifiers: there is no rapidly changing information; the article has been very stable for the past 6 days since its creation (only a merge of a previous name of the ship_. The information in the article is non controversial and has been corroborated by numerous news sources. Additionally, the article is actually still notable even without the information about the recent shelling (see
MV Frigg). I'd be open to holding the DYK for a few weeks (or even months), but I don't see enough information coming out to get the article to GA, and I wanted to nominate while still in the new-enough window. If this won't work I totally understand, but I figured I'd give it a shot because I personally think this article and story is very interesting.
Reviewing, so far without an icon. Interesting history, on good sources. I like the original hook better, but think "abandon ship" might be too brief (but that could be my lack of English. - In the article, please write more of a summary in the lead, - the detailed measurements are no lead material (but that could be due to me knowing nothing about ship articles). I wonder if the Moldovan flag and new name could be sourced in chronology before the last sentence, - before the shelling. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
19:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Fritzmann2002,
Theleekycauldron, and
Gerda Arendt: - Even with the RFC now closed to allow these hooks, this one is still problematic. The article now says that the crew was predominantly Russian, which doesn't square well with the current hooks, as ALT0 implies all-Russian, and ALT1 explicitly says that. Additionally, the Russian crew bit of the hook is sourced to
WP:METRO, which is a tabloid-style source listed as generally unreliable at
WP:RSP. Note also that the RFC close notes that extra care should be taken with conflict-related hooks.
Hog FarmTalk18:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Hog Farm: The following sources corroborate that the crew was Russian:
Reuters ("the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian")
US News ("the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian and that two of them had been seriously injured")
Marine Log ("Additional unconfirmed reporting has indicated that the vessel had a crew of 10, all of whom are understood to have been Russian nationals")
ABC Australia ("the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian")
Trade Winds Global Shipping News ("Officials said that two of its 10 Russian crew members were seriously injured and that Ukrainian rescue crews had responded")
Pretty much all the media outlets reporting on this incident state that the crew were Russian. I believe they took the lead from the Reuters article, which is certainly reliable. I'm more than happy to change up the wording, and since these sources seem better than the current one (thank you for the catch there) I'll be adding them to the article shortly. By all means, please do tear apart the article; the topic certainly warrants a high degree of scrutiny. @
Gerda Arendt: I'll hopefully get to the lede later tonight, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last sentence? I want to make sure I understand correctly.
Fritzmann (
message me)
23:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I would recommend using one of those sources to rewrite the Metro-sourced statement in the article of predominantly Russian, then, so that the hook is consistent with the article content.
Hog FarmTalk04:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Pleased with the response. - I mean that we read that it was shelled, and only afterwards about something that must have happened before: new name, new flag. I wonder if that could be told in chronological order even if the transfer is unclear. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
07:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Fritzmann, thank you for the changes. I prefer the idea of the original hook, but would don't know if we can say the crew wawere shelled (vs. the ship was), and the repetition of "ship" in the end. Could that be rephrased, and possibly with a link to abandonment of ships? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
17:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
What happened to its load of Diesel? Did considerable amounts flow into the water, poisoning marine life? Or are we supposed to "know", from guessing, from "as of 16th of March it was still burning" that all the Diesel burnt away before ever hitting the water and "only" polluted the air (and the water via the soot particles sinking in, but not glueing sea birds' feathers etc.)?
Is there an article about the environmental impact of all of this war that could be linked to?
2A02:3035:815:F8F4:1:0:D72C:CC0F (
talk)
05:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Hello! Thank you for your interest in this topic! I just did a quick look for the information you were asking about, but it unfortunately looks like we won't get that kind of perspective for at least a few more months. However, for a more general look at the overall environmental impacts of the war, this
WSJ article does a pretty good job of summarizing the damage. Wikipedia also has a topic article about the overall
Environmental impact of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it could use expansion! If you are passionate about this, I'd invite you to edit and improve that article after familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia's
policies and guidelines. Very respectfully,
Fritzmann (
message me)
11:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
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This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
The contents of the MV Freyja page were
merged into
MV Millennial Spirit on 27 February 2022. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see
its talk page.
A fact from MV Millennial Spirit appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 March 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the tanker MV Millennial Spirit flew under a Moldovan flag, was crewed entirely by Russians, and was mistaken for a Romanian ship?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: Yes, this article is related to the
2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. However, a few qualifiers: there is no rapidly changing information; the article has been very stable for the past 6 days since its creation (only a merge of a previous name of the ship_. The information in the article is non controversial and has been corroborated by numerous news sources. Additionally, the article is actually still notable even without the information about the recent shelling (see
MV Frigg). I'd be open to holding the DYK for a few weeks (or even months), but I don't see enough information coming out to get the article to GA, and I wanted to nominate while still in the new-enough window. If this won't work I totally understand, but I figured I'd give it a shot because I personally think this article and story is very interesting.
Reviewing, so far without an icon. Interesting history, on good sources. I like the original hook better, but think "abandon ship" might be too brief (but that could be my lack of English. - In the article, please write more of a summary in the lead, - the detailed measurements are no lead material (but that could be due to me knowing nothing about ship articles). I wonder if the Moldovan flag and new name could be sourced in chronology before the last sentence, - before the shelling. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
19:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Fritzmann2002,
Theleekycauldron, and
Gerda Arendt: - Even with the RFC now closed to allow these hooks, this one is still problematic. The article now says that the crew was predominantly Russian, which doesn't square well with the current hooks, as ALT0 implies all-Russian, and ALT1 explicitly says that. Additionally, the Russian crew bit of the hook is sourced to
WP:METRO, which is a tabloid-style source listed as generally unreliable at
WP:RSP. Note also that the RFC close notes that extra care should be taken with conflict-related hooks.
Hog FarmTalk18:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Hog Farm: The following sources corroborate that the crew was Russian:
Reuters ("the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian")
US News ("the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian and that two of them had been seriously injured")
Marine Log ("Additional unconfirmed reporting has indicated that the vessel had a crew of 10, all of whom are understood to have been Russian nationals")
ABC Australia ("the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian")
Trade Winds Global Shipping News ("Officials said that two of its 10 Russian crew members were seriously injured and that Ukrainian rescue crews had responded")
Pretty much all the media outlets reporting on this incident state that the crew were Russian. I believe they took the lead from the Reuters article, which is certainly reliable. I'm more than happy to change up the wording, and since these sources seem better than the current one (thank you for the catch there) I'll be adding them to the article shortly. By all means, please do tear apart the article; the topic certainly warrants a high degree of scrutiny. @
Gerda Arendt: I'll hopefully get to the lede later tonight, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last sentence? I want to make sure I understand correctly.
Fritzmann (
message me)
23:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I would recommend using one of those sources to rewrite the Metro-sourced statement in the article of predominantly Russian, then, so that the hook is consistent with the article content.
Hog FarmTalk04:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Pleased with the response. - I mean that we read that it was shelled, and only afterwards about something that must have happened before: new name, new flag. I wonder if that could be told in chronological order even if the transfer is unclear. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
07:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Fritzmann, thank you for the changes. I prefer the idea of the original hook, but would don't know if we can say the crew wawere shelled (vs. the ship was), and the repetition of "ship" in the end. Could that be rephrased, and possibly with a link to abandonment of ships? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
17:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
What happened to its load of Diesel? Did considerable amounts flow into the water, poisoning marine life? Or are we supposed to "know", from guessing, from "as of 16th of March it was still burning" that all the Diesel burnt away before ever hitting the water and "only" polluted the air (and the water via the soot particles sinking in, but not glueing sea birds' feathers etc.)?
Is there an article about the environmental impact of all of this war that could be linked to?
2A02:3035:815:F8F4:1:0:D72C:CC0F (
talk)
05:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Hello! Thank you for your interest in this topic! I just did a quick look for the information you were asking about, but it unfortunately looks like we won't get that kind of perspective for at least a few more months. However, for a more general look at the overall environmental impacts of the war, this
WSJ article does a pretty good job of summarizing the damage. Wikipedia also has a topic article about the overall
Environmental impact of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it could use expansion! If you are passionate about this, I'd invite you to edit and improve that article after familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia's
policies and guidelines. Very respectfully,
Fritzmann (
message me)
11:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply