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I reverted the addition as the references do not support the language added. The other parts seem to be original research that falls under WP:OR. Are there other references that support the language without having to infer or add personal beliefs to? ContentEditman ( talk) 02:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
There is no original research in this article. The issue of poor quality ATF and fraudulently labeled ATF containers is a worldwide problem. It is such a problem that the California Department of Food and Agriculture, Division of Measurement Standards, Petroleum Products Program, Fuels and Lubricants Laboratory has updated its labeling requirements for transmission fluid to help stop the deception and fraud in California. See pages 7 through the end of the document here https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Product_Labeling_Regulations_4.18.19.pdf
The other references I provided clearly show a download for a datasheet for specific additives made by just one of approximately ten chemical additive producing companies. Afton Chemical is the largest and is specifically called for in many transmission fluid specifications. The datasheets show the terminology listed in this article that you keep deleting.
The content you deleted was backed up with valid sources and the content of the entire page. Citations and references from Ford, the Society of Automotive Engineers, patents, and various chemical additive manufacturers are included. The references to Afton Chemical take you to the page where you can download the datasheet for that product. Each datasheet shows the terminology used in the article and its various meanings. There is no sales pitch, this information is universally true and applies to all manufacturers of automatic transmission fluids. Transmission fluid is a combination of a group 1-5 base oil (including synthetically produced base oils) and an additive package. Some additive packages are much better than others. Some are much less expensive than others but sacrifice long term reliability. Transmission manufacturers use and recommend the best additive packages, many aftermarket sellers use inexpensive additive packages. The general public does not know the difference and may assume all fluids are the same except for the price. As a result, they are likely to purchase the least expensive fluid. The purpose of this section of the page is to help educate the public to the potential differences. There is no reason to block or delete this valid information from the world. Hymn62 ( talk) 16:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
I did not include any personal thoughts, I simply included proof of deception in photographs of bottles of ATF claiming to work in certain brands of transmissions on the front label and a totally different story on the back panel with outdated specifications and complex specification numbers that no customer will understand. That is an example of misleading the consumer if not out right fraud. The interpretation added decoded the fluid specifications and licensing program. I do not care of you or anyone else likes this information, it is quite obvious that you do not based upon your previous "Synthetic Fluids" comment. I am a proponent of using only the factory licensed fluids in any vehicle for the best performance and longevity. Under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act you could pour water in your transmission if you wanted to, but that does not mean it will work properly or have a long life.
Regarding Afton Chemical, they supply additives to many ATF producers and are not biased towards any company. I cannot help it if you cannot totally understand the content of the references and it is mot my job to educate you so that you can understand them. I am so tired of every person who has a favorite brand of ATF coming in and deleting or modifying this type of content mostly out of ignorance. I spent a great deal of time documenting the history of automatic transmission fluids and their official documented specifications on these pages. It is discouraging to me to see anyone fall for the deception and fraud that is clearly going on.
I can tone back the language, but the photographs, technical interpretation (not opinion) of the back panel photographs, and the buyer beware sections must stay. The California laws referred to in the https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Product_Labeling_Regulations_4.18.19.pdf clearly support the deception and fraud language. Hymn62 ( talk) 02:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Style suggestion: current image dimensions place some images into multiple subsections. I suggest re-sizing the some of the images to match subsections more exactly to help readers connect subsection text with the appropriate images more easily. Agree, disagree, thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brom20110101 ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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I reverted the addition as the references do not support the language added. The other parts seem to be original research that falls under WP:OR. Are there other references that support the language without having to infer or add personal beliefs to? ContentEditman ( talk) 02:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
There is no original research in this article. The issue of poor quality ATF and fraudulently labeled ATF containers is a worldwide problem. It is such a problem that the California Department of Food and Agriculture, Division of Measurement Standards, Petroleum Products Program, Fuels and Lubricants Laboratory has updated its labeling requirements for transmission fluid to help stop the deception and fraud in California. See pages 7 through the end of the document here https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Product_Labeling_Regulations_4.18.19.pdf
The other references I provided clearly show a download for a datasheet for specific additives made by just one of approximately ten chemical additive producing companies. Afton Chemical is the largest and is specifically called for in many transmission fluid specifications. The datasheets show the terminology listed in this article that you keep deleting.
The content you deleted was backed up with valid sources and the content of the entire page. Citations and references from Ford, the Society of Automotive Engineers, patents, and various chemical additive manufacturers are included. The references to Afton Chemical take you to the page where you can download the datasheet for that product. Each datasheet shows the terminology used in the article and its various meanings. There is no sales pitch, this information is universally true and applies to all manufacturers of automatic transmission fluids. Transmission fluid is a combination of a group 1-5 base oil (including synthetically produced base oils) and an additive package. Some additive packages are much better than others. Some are much less expensive than others but sacrifice long term reliability. Transmission manufacturers use and recommend the best additive packages, many aftermarket sellers use inexpensive additive packages. The general public does not know the difference and may assume all fluids are the same except for the price. As a result, they are likely to purchase the least expensive fluid. The purpose of this section of the page is to help educate the public to the potential differences. There is no reason to block or delete this valid information from the world. Hymn62 ( talk) 16:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
I did not include any personal thoughts, I simply included proof of deception in photographs of bottles of ATF claiming to work in certain brands of transmissions on the front label and a totally different story on the back panel with outdated specifications and complex specification numbers that no customer will understand. That is an example of misleading the consumer if not out right fraud. The interpretation added decoded the fluid specifications and licensing program. I do not care of you or anyone else likes this information, it is quite obvious that you do not based upon your previous "Synthetic Fluids" comment. I am a proponent of using only the factory licensed fluids in any vehicle for the best performance and longevity. Under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act you could pour water in your transmission if you wanted to, but that does not mean it will work properly or have a long life.
Regarding Afton Chemical, they supply additives to many ATF producers and are not biased towards any company. I cannot help it if you cannot totally understand the content of the references and it is mot my job to educate you so that you can understand them. I am so tired of every person who has a favorite brand of ATF coming in and deleting or modifying this type of content mostly out of ignorance. I spent a great deal of time documenting the history of automatic transmission fluids and their official documented specifications on these pages. It is discouraging to me to see anyone fall for the deception and fraud that is clearly going on.
I can tone back the language, but the photographs, technical interpretation (not opinion) of the back panel photographs, and the buyer beware sections must stay. The California laws referred to in the https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Product_Labeling_Regulations_4.18.19.pdf clearly support the deception and fraud language. Hymn62 ( talk) 02:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Style suggestion: current image dimensions place some images into multiple subsections. I suggest re-sizing the some of the images to match subsections more exactly to help readers connect subsection text with the appropriate images more easily. Agree, disagree, thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brom20110101 ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)