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Once again, "Neuroticism and introversion may predispose to CFS. The correct source is not Prins 2006, but Prins 2001, in Dutch. Nobody here has seen that, let alone checked the conclusions. IMO, it should not be used until verified. To avert further reverts, I've left Prins 2006 in, but it must be qualified by more recent systematic reviews (incl. van Geelen), which failed to support the personality link. Sam Weller ( talk) 22:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
OK and i am OK w/ the article now i was upset by Sam Weller when said Prins is not a valid source, that is not right, but i want balance from other review also. I do not make changes to this. RetroS1mone talk 15:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- The Seminar by Judith Prins and colleagues[1] purports to review chronic fatigue syndrome with emphasis on “scientific aspects”, yet it falls far short of this aim. Research on biomedical aspects of the syndrome is covered only perfunctorily (318 words in a 4900 word review), yet much work has already been done by others,[2] and the role of definitional issues in understanding clinical trial results is barely addressed. PMID: 16698406
There are two unsystematic reviews that claim neuroticism is a "risk factor", and two systematic reviews that were unable to verify that. I hope I've clarified things by quoting Van Geelen directly from their neuroticism section, where they found that "many of the findings of high neuroticism were later accounted for by co-morbid depression". If anything, Van Geelen's "overarching conclusions" (p.898) have been understated here:
... the heterogeneity of findings within the CFS groups implies that, on the trait or psychopathological level, there are no unique personality characteristics that are either a necessary condition for, or an unavoidable consequence of CFS. Secondly, although personality traits such as neuroticism and perfectionism are generally considered to be stable, non-conditional and not effected by life changes (Watson & Walker, 1996; Costa et al., 1986), most studies seem to agree on the possibility that the pre-morbid personalities of their subjects might have changed as a result of their condition. Diverse forms of chronic illness seem to be able to alter personality in similar ways and increased levels of neuroticism and introversion for example (not to mention depression), could well be a feature of many different diseases.
[my emphases]
Sam Weller ( talk) 09:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
We should probably add this review. -- sciencewatcher ( talk) 20:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The too technical template is right. Online_medical_wiki_encyclopedia These kinds of pages should be relocated to a medical wiki and incorporated by reference in the main CFS page. Wikipedia is not intended to be a site for rapidly updating technical information. In mathematics and physics, highly technical articles, for settled areas, esp. theoretical ones are probably OK due to the fact these change very little over time. If you don't find a good medical wiki, propose one to wikimedia, or start your own. Online_medical_wiki_encyclopedia#External_links Codwiki ( talk) 22:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The first paragraph describes a primary source (study) with only 49 CFS patients. [3] Additionally, it is only cited by 5 PubMed articles, [4] some of those off topic. Not a strong way to start the section and probably should be removed. Ward20 ( talk) 14:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I noticed this page now offers quite a comprehensive survey of viruses and bacteria associated with CFS. Nice.
Just one point: the use of capitals is not quite right in some of the viruses listed on this page. It took me a while to get to grips with the rules of capitalization in this area, and here is what I believe to be the correct capitalization rules:
General rule in all taxonomy: species names are uncapitalized, but all other taxa (genus, family, order, etc) are capitalized.
This is why names of bacteria, which include both the genus + the species together (such as Chlamydia pneumoniae, Staphylococcus aureus, Escherichia coli, Clostridium difficile, Mycoplasma pneumonia), capitalize the genus, but not the species. Similarly for fungi (examples: Aspergillus fumigatus, Candida albicans) and protozoa (examples: Toxoplasma gondii, Blastocystis hominis).
Since viruses are generally referred to just by their species name alone, virus names are always uncapitalized, except in cases where the name contains the name of a person or place (viruses are often named after the place they were discovered), and in these cases, the person or place alone receives capitals as per usual.
So for example, all these virus names are uncapitalized: cytomegalovirus (CMV), human herpes six virus (HHV-6), herpes simplex virus (HSV), parvovirus B19, rhinovirus, echovirus, poliovirus, enterovirus 71, varicella zoster virus, adenovirus, norovirus, coronavirus, influenza virus, parainfluenza virus, human papillomavirus, human T-lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-1).
But the following viruses contain the name of a person or place, so are written with capitals as shown: Epstein-Barr virus, Ross River virus, West Nile virus, California encephalitis virus, Rift Valley fever virus.
A subtle one is the Coxsackie B virus. As it stands, this is written with the town of Coxsackie capitalized; however, this virus is also written in an amalgamated form: coxsackievirus B which then does not get capitalized. Similarly for Borna disease virus, which is often amalgamated to bornavirus, without a capital.
Capitalization rules for taxonomic groups (genera, families, etc)
When dealing with the genus or family that a virus belongs to, there are some subtle points to observe. When referring to genera and families, these are capitalized. For example, poliovirus, echovirus and coxsackievirus B all belong to the Enterovirus genus, and the Enterovirus genus itself is part of the larger Picornaviridae family.
So far so good. However, sometimes people want to refer not to the Enterovirus genus as a taxonomic group, but to a generic virus from this genus, and in this case, it is written without a capital: just as enterovirus. So we can say: poliovirus, echovirus and coxsackievirus B are all examples of enteroviruses, and they all belong to the Enterovirus genus. Similarly, when you want to refer to a generic virus from the Picornaviridae family, you call this a picornavirus, without capitalization. Likewise, when you want to refer to a virus from the Herpesviridae family, you call this a herpesvirus, without capitalization.
You have choice, though, when referring to taxa: you say "Herpesviridae family", or equally "herpesvirus family". The former has the emphasis on the taxon, the latter on the set of species in that taxon, but they are essentially the same thing. Actually with the former, the tag "family" is not necessary, as this is implied in the name "Herpesviridae". Similarly: "Picornaviridae family", "Picornaviridae" and "picornavirus family" are all fine, and mean the same thing. Likewise: "Enterovirus genus", "Enterovirus" and "enterovirus genus" are all correct, and have the same meaning.
I hope this is helpful. It took me while to figure this out through my brain fog, and I am still not completely clear about it. (I like to be anal sometimes, just to help combat the damn brain fog!) Drgao ( talk) 15:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
In the Infections section of this CFS pathophysiology article, it says:
Is this quoted statement actually true? Chlamydia pneumoniae infection has been called "a treatable cause of CFS". And Coxiella burnetii infection has been known to lead to both chronic fatigue, and to chronic fatigue syndrome proper. Chlamydia pneumoniae and Coxiella burnetii CFS can be treated with antibiotics. References:
Drgao ( talk) 23:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Propsal to make this article a redirect to the main CFS page - see /info/en/?search=Talk:Chronic_fatigue_syndrome#Pathophysiology_.E2.80.93_actions_taken_and_proposal_for_redirect for discussion -- In Vitro Infidelium ( talk) 13:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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Once again, "Neuroticism and introversion may predispose to CFS. The correct source is not Prins 2006, but Prins 2001, in Dutch. Nobody here has seen that, let alone checked the conclusions. IMO, it should not be used until verified. To avert further reverts, I've left Prins 2006 in, but it must be qualified by more recent systematic reviews (incl. van Geelen), which failed to support the personality link. Sam Weller ( talk) 22:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
OK and i am OK w/ the article now i was upset by Sam Weller when said Prins is not a valid source, that is not right, but i want balance from other review also. I do not make changes to this. RetroS1mone talk 15:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- The Seminar by Judith Prins and colleagues[1] purports to review chronic fatigue syndrome with emphasis on “scientific aspects”, yet it falls far short of this aim. Research on biomedical aspects of the syndrome is covered only perfunctorily (318 words in a 4900 word review), yet much work has already been done by others,[2] and the role of definitional issues in understanding clinical trial results is barely addressed. PMID: 16698406
There are two unsystematic reviews that claim neuroticism is a "risk factor", and two systematic reviews that were unable to verify that. I hope I've clarified things by quoting Van Geelen directly from their neuroticism section, where they found that "many of the findings of high neuroticism were later accounted for by co-morbid depression". If anything, Van Geelen's "overarching conclusions" (p.898) have been understated here:
... the heterogeneity of findings within the CFS groups implies that, on the trait or psychopathological level, there are no unique personality characteristics that are either a necessary condition for, or an unavoidable consequence of CFS. Secondly, although personality traits such as neuroticism and perfectionism are generally considered to be stable, non-conditional and not effected by life changes (Watson & Walker, 1996; Costa et al., 1986), most studies seem to agree on the possibility that the pre-morbid personalities of their subjects might have changed as a result of their condition. Diverse forms of chronic illness seem to be able to alter personality in similar ways and increased levels of neuroticism and introversion for example (not to mention depression), could well be a feature of many different diseases.
[my emphases]
Sam Weller ( talk) 09:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
We should probably add this review. -- sciencewatcher ( talk) 20:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The too technical template is right. Online_medical_wiki_encyclopedia These kinds of pages should be relocated to a medical wiki and incorporated by reference in the main CFS page. Wikipedia is not intended to be a site for rapidly updating technical information. In mathematics and physics, highly technical articles, for settled areas, esp. theoretical ones are probably OK due to the fact these change very little over time. If you don't find a good medical wiki, propose one to wikimedia, or start your own. Online_medical_wiki_encyclopedia#External_links Codwiki ( talk) 22:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The first paragraph describes a primary source (study) with only 49 CFS patients. [3] Additionally, it is only cited by 5 PubMed articles, [4] some of those off topic. Not a strong way to start the section and probably should be removed. Ward20 ( talk) 14:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I noticed this page now offers quite a comprehensive survey of viruses and bacteria associated with CFS. Nice.
Just one point: the use of capitals is not quite right in some of the viruses listed on this page. It took me a while to get to grips with the rules of capitalization in this area, and here is what I believe to be the correct capitalization rules:
General rule in all taxonomy: species names are uncapitalized, but all other taxa (genus, family, order, etc) are capitalized.
This is why names of bacteria, which include both the genus + the species together (such as Chlamydia pneumoniae, Staphylococcus aureus, Escherichia coli, Clostridium difficile, Mycoplasma pneumonia), capitalize the genus, but not the species. Similarly for fungi (examples: Aspergillus fumigatus, Candida albicans) and protozoa (examples: Toxoplasma gondii, Blastocystis hominis).
Since viruses are generally referred to just by their species name alone, virus names are always uncapitalized, except in cases where the name contains the name of a person or place (viruses are often named after the place they were discovered), and in these cases, the person or place alone receives capitals as per usual.
So for example, all these virus names are uncapitalized: cytomegalovirus (CMV), human herpes six virus (HHV-6), herpes simplex virus (HSV), parvovirus B19, rhinovirus, echovirus, poliovirus, enterovirus 71, varicella zoster virus, adenovirus, norovirus, coronavirus, influenza virus, parainfluenza virus, human papillomavirus, human T-lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-1).
But the following viruses contain the name of a person or place, so are written with capitals as shown: Epstein-Barr virus, Ross River virus, West Nile virus, California encephalitis virus, Rift Valley fever virus.
A subtle one is the Coxsackie B virus. As it stands, this is written with the town of Coxsackie capitalized; however, this virus is also written in an amalgamated form: coxsackievirus B which then does not get capitalized. Similarly for Borna disease virus, which is often amalgamated to bornavirus, without a capital.
Capitalization rules for taxonomic groups (genera, families, etc)
When dealing with the genus or family that a virus belongs to, there are some subtle points to observe. When referring to genera and families, these are capitalized. For example, poliovirus, echovirus and coxsackievirus B all belong to the Enterovirus genus, and the Enterovirus genus itself is part of the larger Picornaviridae family.
So far so good. However, sometimes people want to refer not to the Enterovirus genus as a taxonomic group, but to a generic virus from this genus, and in this case, it is written without a capital: just as enterovirus. So we can say: poliovirus, echovirus and coxsackievirus B are all examples of enteroviruses, and they all belong to the Enterovirus genus. Similarly, when you want to refer to a generic virus from the Picornaviridae family, you call this a picornavirus, without capitalization. Likewise, when you want to refer to a virus from the Herpesviridae family, you call this a herpesvirus, without capitalization.
You have choice, though, when referring to taxa: you say "Herpesviridae family", or equally "herpesvirus family". The former has the emphasis on the taxon, the latter on the set of species in that taxon, but they are essentially the same thing. Actually with the former, the tag "family" is not necessary, as this is implied in the name "Herpesviridae". Similarly: "Picornaviridae family", "Picornaviridae" and "picornavirus family" are all fine, and mean the same thing. Likewise: "Enterovirus genus", "Enterovirus" and "enterovirus genus" are all correct, and have the same meaning.
I hope this is helpful. It took me while to figure this out through my brain fog, and I am still not completely clear about it. (I like to be anal sometimes, just to help combat the damn brain fog!) Drgao ( talk) 15:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
In the Infections section of this CFS pathophysiology article, it says:
Is this quoted statement actually true? Chlamydia pneumoniae infection has been called "a treatable cause of CFS". And Coxiella burnetii infection has been known to lead to both chronic fatigue, and to chronic fatigue syndrome proper. Chlamydia pneumoniae and Coxiella burnetii CFS can be treated with antibiotics. References:
Drgao ( talk) 23:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Propsal to make this article a redirect to the main CFS page - see /info/en/?search=Talk:Chronic_fatigue_syndrome#Pathophysiology_.E2.80.93_actions_taken_and_proposal_for_redirect for discussion -- In Vitro Infidelium ( talk) 13:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)