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Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! JubalHarshaw 15:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Fellow wikipedians,
The US Army knew this vehicle/combo as the M19 tank transporter, would this name be more adequate for this article? If it's not worth renaming/moving, then maybe a redirect page woule be useful for the M19 denomination? (it has already been used in at least a couple of lists, with "red links").
Thanks & Regards,
DPdH (
talk)
06:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't find "verifiable" online sources as recommended by Wikipedia, but this link to the "Revell" (ex-"Matchbox") 1/76 scale kit can provide some basic information about the real vehicle:
In this page there is even a link to the kit's instruction sheet (
http://www.revell.de/manual/03226.PDF in PDF format), which has side and front views of the vehicle.
I've accessed the site today.
Regards,
DPdH (
talk)
09:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Where does that come from? I don't find it, Doyle(03) denies it on page 230 (first para second column). I do have the Britsh re-engining them in the 1950s with Rolls-Royce C6NFL 12.2L diesel I6 with 175hp at 2100rpm. Ware(10).
No Hall-Scott engines please see above and:
Doyle (03) is 2nd edition of Berndt (93). I will probably replace all Berndts with Doyles. Doyle page 230 says "Despite a few reports to the contrary, no records exist that indicate that any engine other than the Hercules diesel was installed in these trucks as part of factory mass production".
I am using an engine blurb which has been used in 9 other articles so far. "OHV" is not a variable, all diesels have OHV. Aspiration is a variable, it can be "natural", as here, "supercharged", as in most Detroit Diesels, or "turbocharged", as in all modern diesels.
This is not vandalism, I am working here and have at least 5 references.
Thank you. Sammy D III ( talk) 12:34, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
[1] Why has the weight more than doubled to 45 tons? That's a bizarre number. Why "Truck-trailer" rather than "Tractor trailer"? Why remove correct redlinks to things like Hercules, but note things like it not being turbocharged (as if a 1930s truck design would be)? Andy Dingley ( talk) 16:23, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Added sourced section "Specifications". The name stinks. This combined most mechanical text, most duplicate info in text was deleted.
Changed rating to 45-ton, the correct rating for the M19 combination, the subject and title of the article.
This truck's manufacturer's plate says "Prime mover", an obsolete term. "Truck" was used. "Ballast tractor' is British English, rarely used in the US. Truck is built in US, article appears written in US English. No US source calls this truck any kind of tractor.
More comming. Sammy D III ( talk) 21:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Trekphiler is deliberately interfering with my edits. Read the three sections above. Look at what I have been doing. Thank you. Sammy D III ( talk) 09:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I have read online, but not yet sourced to anywhere, that the trailer's design origin is British. The story runs that a 40 (Long) ton capacity trailer was designed by Crane's of Dereham, and production was started there (Dysons is also mentioned as possible manufacturer). To expand production the trailer spec/design was passed to Rogers in the US who then built units (my guess is these may have differed in specific components, statements appear that only the Rogers-built trailers were used in North Africa). GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I expanded ballast box. I have been using the "G" number link in not bold letters.
If this stays US, is section "US Nomen" necessary? The numbers are already in Intro, as is the "M26" link as "M25 Tank transporter". All you would lose is the "US Army Ordnance" link. If article is translated into British the section would probably stay.
The Army calls the Budd wheels "disK", but, with disc brakes, "disC" is modern term? I changed it.
The "Hercules DFXE" red link will never be made, there isn't even an article on the company. Should the link be cut back to just "Hercules", still saying "Her...DFXE"? Does it matter?
Should "Spec..(M9 trailer)" be cut back to "Trailers", then M9 and British trailers be sub-sections? Is there anything good on British trailers?
There is a dull army picture of the truck-trailer from the left side in the TM. Should this go in the infobox and the good picture (it's really good) go in the gallery? Maybe not.
Second paragraph in "Service" says 5,871 were built, I have 6,554.
In US we often measure RPM without a comma, 1600. Hp has a comma, torque doesn't. They should match either way?
The M9 trailer has 12 wheels with dual tires on each wheel, total 24 tires. A wheel can have either single or dual tires, it is still one wheel. Example: the M20 6x4 truck has 6 wheels, 4 driven, the driven wheels have dual tires, total 10 tires.
That is all I have. Thank you. Sammy D III ( talk) 02:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! JubalHarshaw 15:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Fellow wikipedians,
The US Army knew this vehicle/combo as the M19 tank transporter, would this name be more adequate for this article? If it's not worth renaming/moving, then maybe a redirect page woule be useful for the M19 denomination? (it has already been used in at least a couple of lists, with "red links").
Thanks & Regards,
DPdH (
talk)
06:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't find "verifiable" online sources as recommended by Wikipedia, but this link to the "Revell" (ex-"Matchbox") 1/76 scale kit can provide some basic information about the real vehicle:
In this page there is even a link to the kit's instruction sheet (
http://www.revell.de/manual/03226.PDF in PDF format), which has side and front views of the vehicle.
I've accessed the site today.
Regards,
DPdH (
talk)
09:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Where does that come from? I don't find it, Doyle(03) denies it on page 230 (first para second column). I do have the Britsh re-engining them in the 1950s with Rolls-Royce C6NFL 12.2L diesel I6 with 175hp at 2100rpm. Ware(10).
No Hall-Scott engines please see above and:
Doyle (03) is 2nd edition of Berndt (93). I will probably replace all Berndts with Doyles. Doyle page 230 says "Despite a few reports to the contrary, no records exist that indicate that any engine other than the Hercules diesel was installed in these trucks as part of factory mass production".
I am using an engine blurb which has been used in 9 other articles so far. "OHV" is not a variable, all diesels have OHV. Aspiration is a variable, it can be "natural", as here, "supercharged", as in most Detroit Diesels, or "turbocharged", as in all modern diesels.
This is not vandalism, I am working here and have at least 5 references.
Thank you. Sammy D III ( talk) 12:34, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
[1] Why has the weight more than doubled to 45 tons? That's a bizarre number. Why "Truck-trailer" rather than "Tractor trailer"? Why remove correct redlinks to things like Hercules, but note things like it not being turbocharged (as if a 1930s truck design would be)? Andy Dingley ( talk) 16:23, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Added sourced section "Specifications". The name stinks. This combined most mechanical text, most duplicate info in text was deleted.
Changed rating to 45-ton, the correct rating for the M19 combination, the subject and title of the article.
This truck's manufacturer's plate says "Prime mover", an obsolete term. "Truck" was used. "Ballast tractor' is British English, rarely used in the US. Truck is built in US, article appears written in US English. No US source calls this truck any kind of tractor.
More comming. Sammy D III ( talk) 21:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Trekphiler is deliberately interfering with my edits. Read the three sections above. Look at what I have been doing. Thank you. Sammy D III ( talk) 09:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I have read online, but not yet sourced to anywhere, that the trailer's design origin is British. The story runs that a 40 (Long) ton capacity trailer was designed by Crane's of Dereham, and production was started there (Dysons is also mentioned as possible manufacturer). To expand production the trailer spec/design was passed to Rogers in the US who then built units (my guess is these may have differed in specific components, statements appear that only the Rogers-built trailers were used in North Africa). GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I expanded ballast box. I have been using the "G" number link in not bold letters.
If this stays US, is section "US Nomen" necessary? The numbers are already in Intro, as is the "M26" link as "M25 Tank transporter". All you would lose is the "US Army Ordnance" link. If article is translated into British the section would probably stay.
The Army calls the Budd wheels "disK", but, with disc brakes, "disC" is modern term? I changed it.
The "Hercules DFXE" red link will never be made, there isn't even an article on the company. Should the link be cut back to just "Hercules", still saying "Her...DFXE"? Does it matter?
Should "Spec..(M9 trailer)" be cut back to "Trailers", then M9 and British trailers be sub-sections? Is there anything good on British trailers?
There is a dull army picture of the truck-trailer from the left side in the TM. Should this go in the infobox and the good picture (it's really good) go in the gallery? Maybe not.
Second paragraph in "Service" says 5,871 were built, I have 6,554.
In US we often measure RPM without a comma, 1600. Hp has a comma, torque doesn't. They should match either way?
The M9 trailer has 12 wheels with dual tires on each wheel, total 24 tires. A wheel can have either single or dual tires, it is still one wheel. Example: the M20 6x4 truck has 6 wheels, 4 driven, the driven wheels have dual tires, total 10 tires.
That is all I have. Thank you. Sammy D III ( talk) 02:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)