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Uh, the Stryker MGS is not -repeat not- transportable by C130. Its weight of 41,000lbs puts it at just a little too heavy to br carried by a Herc. - 69.228.43.9 23:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
The Stryker mobile gun system page should be merged into this page. Dudtz 8/3/06 4:26 PM EST
Okay. Dudtz 8/4/06 3:02 PM EST
"List of Vehicles" says it's in active service, but other sources say it's cancelled. Can someone update me on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.16.54.240 ( talk • contribs) 02:10, September 20, 2006 (UTC).
Can someone explain why the pictures were removed? -- Geo Swan 00:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Edit on M102 cannon. I am changing the M102 cannon reference. The MGS uses a variant of the M68 105mm gun, not the M102 howitzer, which is traditionally an indirect fire artillery piece (except on the AC-130, a most unique application).
- I've got some new images of us out in Afghanistan with MGS's. I just joined Wikipedia. My pictures are M1128 with the belly armor upgrade, slat armor, and finally the DEK (drivers improvement kit) installed. Other than that, these are the best pictures of an MGS firing. Far better than any others available on the net.
Contact me and let me know how we can improve this site. - iuventius_1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iuventuis 1 ( talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone put a {copyvio} on this page. I believe it is inappropriate. WP:COPYVIO tells editors who think they detect a copyright violation to see whether they can wind the article back to a time before the copyrighted material was added. I started this article. I started it from scratch, so, I know this is possible.
The person who added the tag didn't complete the copyvio procedure. Otherwise I would add this note on the copyvio forum.
Cheers! -- Geo Swan 05:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Here's the problem, someone say that the text posted was a duplicate, without bothering to check the references first. Everything is properly cited (but the article is definitely not unique to wikipedia). While not plagiarism in the sense that they pretend it's theirs, it's certainly copyvio because they copied word for word the content of that website, regardless of whether or not its properly cited. // 3R1C 16:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this the system described in the G7 howitzer article? If so, shouldn't there be some mention of the G7 in the article? Also, if it is mounting a 105mm howitzer gun stock, is it really intended to function in the same way as a battle tank, or is its role intended to be that of mobile artillery? - Kieran 13:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Its not. The MGS uses a Tank-type High velocity 105MM Gun rather than a howitzer, the MGS's role is to provide mobile direct fire support rather than either the indirect fire Role the G7 fills, or the modern MBT role, in effect the MGS's role is somewhere between the two. The useless one 18:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Th list of vehicles of the US armed forces lists the MGS as a light tank. Could someone verify this? QZXA2 15:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
as a mobile gun system platoon sergeant there are so many myths about the vehicle such as it will flip over if fired from the side or it is not c-130 transportable. if you have questions and want the facts about this vehicle you can email me or just reply. i have had this vehicle in combat for 15 months and it has proven its weight in gold email: tanker_legend@yahoo.com you can also see videos of it in action at www.youtube.com/tankcommander33
There is a proposal here to move this article to M1128 mobile gun system.-- Patton t/ c 12:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
If somebody else puts in an info box like the other Sryker models that would be great, im bad at those things.-- Conor Fallon ( talk) 21:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
The "Countermeasures" section is completely barren aside from a statement about how the addition of a gun module and the subsequent reduction in hatch size makes escape difficult. This is in no way related to countermeasures of any sort.
This is a phrase (with accompanying source) that would be far better suited in the "Crew Amenities" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.226.233 ( talk) 18:33, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please let me know at my talk page if you have questions about this. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:29, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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Because of the budget crunch and a relatively tight deadline of 24 months, the Army does not intend to spend money on a new design and expects to choose a vehicle from the open market. Kmiecik says the field of potential candidates will be narrowed down to 10 vehicles. Army officials will evaluate them in preparation for writing a “requirements document” that will inform a future solicitation to interested vendors. | The Army will not spend money on a new design and expects to choose a vehicle from the open market. Due to budget constraints, the selection process has a relatively tight deadline of 24 months. Up to 140 candidates are being considered, and the field of potential candidates will be narrowed down to 10. Army officials will evaluate them in preparation for writing a requirements document that will inform a future solicitation to interested vendors. | The Army does not plan to spend money on a new design and will choose an available vehicle. Due to budget constraints, the selection process has 'a relatively tight deadline of 24 months. Up to 140 candidates are being evaluated, with potentials to be narrowed down to 10. Army officials will evaluate them to prepare to write requirements to inform interested vendors of a future solicitation. |
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Uh, the Stryker MGS is not -repeat not- transportable by C130. Its weight of 41,000lbs puts it at just a little too heavy to br carried by a Herc. - 69.228.43.9 23:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
The Stryker mobile gun system page should be merged into this page. Dudtz 8/3/06 4:26 PM EST
Okay. Dudtz 8/4/06 3:02 PM EST
"List of Vehicles" says it's in active service, but other sources say it's cancelled. Can someone update me on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.16.54.240 ( talk • contribs) 02:10, September 20, 2006 (UTC).
Can someone explain why the pictures were removed? -- Geo Swan 00:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Edit on M102 cannon. I am changing the M102 cannon reference. The MGS uses a variant of the M68 105mm gun, not the M102 howitzer, which is traditionally an indirect fire artillery piece (except on the AC-130, a most unique application).
- I've got some new images of us out in Afghanistan with MGS's. I just joined Wikipedia. My pictures are M1128 with the belly armor upgrade, slat armor, and finally the DEK (drivers improvement kit) installed. Other than that, these are the best pictures of an MGS firing. Far better than any others available on the net.
Contact me and let me know how we can improve this site. - iuventius_1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iuventuis 1 ( talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone put a {copyvio} on this page. I believe it is inappropriate. WP:COPYVIO tells editors who think they detect a copyright violation to see whether they can wind the article back to a time before the copyrighted material was added. I started this article. I started it from scratch, so, I know this is possible.
The person who added the tag didn't complete the copyvio procedure. Otherwise I would add this note on the copyvio forum.
Cheers! -- Geo Swan 05:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Here's the problem, someone say that the text posted was a duplicate, without bothering to check the references first. Everything is properly cited (but the article is definitely not unique to wikipedia). While not plagiarism in the sense that they pretend it's theirs, it's certainly copyvio because they copied word for word the content of that website, regardless of whether or not its properly cited. // 3R1C 16:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this the system described in the G7 howitzer article? If so, shouldn't there be some mention of the G7 in the article? Also, if it is mounting a 105mm howitzer gun stock, is it really intended to function in the same way as a battle tank, or is its role intended to be that of mobile artillery? - Kieran 13:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Its not. The MGS uses a Tank-type High velocity 105MM Gun rather than a howitzer, the MGS's role is to provide mobile direct fire support rather than either the indirect fire Role the G7 fills, or the modern MBT role, in effect the MGS's role is somewhere between the two. The useless one 18:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Th list of vehicles of the US armed forces lists the MGS as a light tank. Could someone verify this? QZXA2 15:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
as a mobile gun system platoon sergeant there are so many myths about the vehicle such as it will flip over if fired from the side or it is not c-130 transportable. if you have questions and want the facts about this vehicle you can email me or just reply. i have had this vehicle in combat for 15 months and it has proven its weight in gold email: tanker_legend@yahoo.com you can also see videos of it in action at www.youtube.com/tankcommander33
There is a proposal here to move this article to M1128 mobile gun system.-- Patton t/ c 12:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
If somebody else puts in an info box like the other Sryker models that would be great, im bad at those things.-- Conor Fallon ( talk) 21:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
The "Countermeasures" section is completely barren aside from a statement about how the addition of a gun module and the subsequent reduction in hatch size makes escape difficult. This is in no way related to countermeasures of any sort.
This is a phrase (with accompanying source) that would be far better suited in the "Crew Amenities" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.226.233 ( talk) 18:33, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
This article has parts which are very closely paraphrased. This can be a problem under both our copyright policies and our guideline on plagiarism.
While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation – including both structure and language – are. For an example of close paraphrasing, consider the following: The source says:
Kmiecik says the field of potential candidates will be narrowed down to 10 vehicles. Army officials will evaluate them in preparation for writing a “requirements document” that will inform a future solicitation to interested vendors. The article says:
I've bolded to make it more clear where language follows precisely on its source - some language has been rearranged, some words have been omitted and a few words changed.
This is an example; there are other passages that similarly follow quite closely, and other sources may also be involved.
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Please let me know at my talk page if you have questions about this. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:29, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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Because of the budget crunch and a relatively tight deadline of 24 months, the Army does not intend to spend money on a new design and expects to choose a vehicle from the open market. Kmiecik says the field of potential candidates will be narrowed down to 10 vehicles. Army officials will evaluate them in preparation for writing a “requirements document” that will inform a future solicitation to interested vendors. | The Army will not spend money on a new design and expects to choose a vehicle from the open market. Due to budget constraints, the selection process has a relatively tight deadline of 24 months. Up to 140 candidates are being considered, and the field of potential candidates will be narrowed down to 10. Army officials will evaluate them in preparation for writing a requirements document that will inform a future solicitation to interested vendors. | The Army does not plan to spend money on a new design and will choose an available vehicle. Due to budget constraints, the selection process has 'a relatively tight deadline of 24 months. Up to 140 candidates are being evaluated, with potentials to be narrowed down to 10. Army officials will evaluate them to prepare to write requirements to inform interested vendors of a future solicitation. |
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