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David-waterways disagrees. Google Ngram favors Lys. That's a disambiguation page, so our options are:
Given that the river is in Europe, maybe we lean towards the British form if we don't use the parenthetical (river). The spike in usage circa 1920 is due to its significance in World War I, or something else? wbm1058 ( talk) 14:23, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Also note that commons:Category:Leie soft-redirects to commons:Category:Lys. – wbm1058 ( talk) 14:51, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Mathglot: Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names would seem to apply here. It is all about whether there can be a "primary topic" for a disambiguation. If the river is the primary topic for Lys, then the river article would be at Lys and the disambiguation would be at Lys (disambiguation). But, you're right, there was no lasting consensus to outlaw PDABs. We allow certain high profile exceptions, and if the RM below passes, then Lys (river) could be added to the list at Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names#List of partially disambiguated article titles. Right now, the list only shows pop-culture items such as albums and songs. Beware that there is a significant segment of editors who generally dislike partially disambiguated titles, and that such titles tend to be a target of move requests. But at the moment, there are no blue-link fully disambiguated parenthetical redirects to this river.
Lys River (natural disambiguation) was the title for this from the April 2004 article creation until the October 2008 bold move to the current title Leie. – wbm1058 ( talk) 19:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
But even Lys River is a partial disambiguation. I suppose Lys (Scheldt) would be the logical title for full disambiguation, that's shorthand for tributary of the Scheldt. wbm1058 ( talk) 20:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 14:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Leie → Lys (river) – as per discussion in previous section Jokulhlaup ( talk) 07:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Jokulhlaup, No such user, Wbm1058, Mathglot: I'm not necessarily against it ( both are used depending on the country), but the only source used was the Ngram information spike in the 20's. This was directly related to the Battle of the Lys in WW1 and probably shouldn't be the deciding factor in what it's called now, a century later. It would be like using early 20th century Ngrams—or even modern ones—in an Istanbul/Constantinople discussion. Even in the 21st century, "Lys" often appears in connection to the battles in WW1 and WW2. The exact wording "Battle of the Lys" alone gives 185.000 results and "world war Lys" (which includes sources like this) gives 543.000. Sadly, Google itself is bad with minuses and calculating results so the exact numbers remain vague. "Lys river" gives 1.080.000 results while "Lys river -battle" gives 712.000, but Leie river gives 392.000 hits while "Leie river -battle" gives 1.970.000. Trends shows that even without filtering out the battle references, the results are not as bad as the ngram shows. Note: I had a lot of goo.gl shortened urls to show the Google results but those are on a blacklist for whatever reason. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 09:50, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 18:34, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
David-waterways disagrees. Google Ngram favors Lys. That's a disambiguation page, so our options are:
Given that the river is in Europe, maybe we lean towards the British form if we don't use the parenthetical (river). The spike in usage circa 1920 is due to its significance in World War I, or something else? wbm1058 ( talk) 14:23, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Also note that commons:Category:Leie soft-redirects to commons:Category:Lys. – wbm1058 ( talk) 14:51, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Mathglot: Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names would seem to apply here. It is all about whether there can be a "primary topic" for a disambiguation. If the river is the primary topic for Lys, then the river article would be at Lys and the disambiguation would be at Lys (disambiguation). But, you're right, there was no lasting consensus to outlaw PDABs. We allow certain high profile exceptions, and if the RM below passes, then Lys (river) could be added to the list at Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names#List of partially disambiguated article titles. Right now, the list only shows pop-culture items such as albums and songs. Beware that there is a significant segment of editors who generally dislike partially disambiguated titles, and that such titles tend to be a target of move requests. But at the moment, there are no blue-link fully disambiguated parenthetical redirects to this river.
Lys River (natural disambiguation) was the title for this from the April 2004 article creation until the October 2008 bold move to the current title Leie. – wbm1058 ( talk) 19:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
But even Lys River is a partial disambiguation. I suppose Lys (Scheldt) would be the logical title for full disambiguation, that's shorthand for tributary of the Scheldt. wbm1058 ( talk) 20:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 14:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Leie → Lys (river) – as per discussion in previous section Jokulhlaup ( talk) 07:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Jokulhlaup, No such user, Wbm1058, Mathglot: I'm not necessarily against it ( both are used depending on the country), but the only source used was the Ngram information spike in the 20's. This was directly related to the Battle of the Lys in WW1 and probably shouldn't be the deciding factor in what it's called now, a century later. It would be like using early 20th century Ngrams—or even modern ones—in an Istanbul/Constantinople discussion. Even in the 21st century, "Lys" often appears in connection to the battles in WW1 and WW2. The exact wording "Battle of the Lys" alone gives 185.000 results and "world war Lys" (which includes sources like this) gives 543.000. Sadly, Google itself is bad with minuses and calculating results so the exact numbers remain vague. "Lys river" gives 1.080.000 results while "Lys river -battle" gives 712.000, but Leie river gives 392.000 hits while "Leie river -battle" gives 1.970.000. Trends shows that even without filtering out the battle references, the results are not as bad as the ngram shows. Note: I had a lot of goo.gl shortened urls to show the Google results but those are on a blacklist for whatever reason. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 09:50, 27 November 2017 (UTC)