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This is a good entry, but the connection to the 40 day Christian penitential season of Lent is put too simplistically. Yes, the early Christians liked to 'domesticate' pagan festivals, but (1) since almost every day could have been a festival, if they wanted to have an observance they had a hard time AVOIDING Roman festivals, so the linkage is often false and (2) Shrove Tuesday or Mardi Gras, as we might as well call it, or Carnival, or whatever, is set not by the Lupercalia but by its relationship to Easter. That has to be made clear. I am also not at all sure that the penitential season was invented in the city of Rome by Pope Gelasius, but that research can come later. --MichaelTinkler
Alright. Yes, Christians adopted some pagan holidays. However, LENT last 40 days. Lupercalia is what - a week? These two are not commensurate. This is a silly fragment of 19th century 'scholarship' along the lines of the tedious and oft-disproved Golden Bough. Try the pagan implications of Christmas. It makes more sense. --MichaelTinkler.
About Carnem levare: this was a verse of latin precepts of Roman Church, a part of a list of instructions that remained more or less unaltered as long as the holy mass was in latin. Carne + vale is just a students' joke.
I removed the following text, because there appears to be consensus that it's mostly or entirely false:
The last day before Lent, known as Shrove Tuesday in older English sources, Mardi Gras in French, and Carnival in many places, is a festival of feasting before the penitential season begins. The term Carnival comes from Carnem + levare, which in Latin mean, literally, "remove meat" (from diet), an appropriate sentiment at the beginning of Lent; this name comes from the Catholic prohibition of eating meat during all the period. This prohibition was later reduced and applies now on Fridays only. By a similar sense, the other italian synonym, "Carnasciale" (from Middle Age, now very seldom used) that comes from italian Carne + lasciare (abandon meat). Wesley
We have recently studied Lupercalia in Latin class. We mentioned that some of the Lupercalia traditions were believed by scholars to be related to Valentine's Day. It is thought that girls left notes in jars to boys that they liked or something along these lines pre-Lupercalia. This is a Valentine's Day tradition as well. This is believed to be where the tradition of Valentines Day was picked up, by some. I believe that this should be added to the article if it is fact...Can someone clear this up for me?
There are several OTHER references to lottery, picking, choosing, wive or girls, or sex partners for some period of days or up to a year. Reference to the only way to get a wife, etc.
http://www.witchology.com/contents/february/valentines_static.php
http://tasromeas6.weebly.com/painting-of-the-festival-of-lupercalia.html
I am certantl not an expert on this. Probably needs so research and citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jraff9 ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
(after which the Luperci cut thongs from the skins of the victims) which victims? I'm pretty sure it's the goats but it's not made clear. If it is the goats then victims should be replaced with sacrifices
The second sentence of the second paragraph under "Origins" seems somewhat of a run-on to me. Should someone change it, or is it acceptable as it is currently?
If "Lupercus" is simply Justin Martyr's back-formation from Lupercalia, shouldn't the material there (very minor) be moved here, and " Lupercus" made a redirect? -- Wetman 10:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
from Februa. See Talk:Februa. — LlywelynII 02:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree that the Februa cannot stand as it is now in the first paragraph of the entry. Februa was a late name for the Lupercalia, not an earlier festival. The earliest reference to the Lupercalia is the antiquarian Varro who says the day was called dies Februatus (februated/purified day) which is different from saying that the festival was called februa. If you read Ovid's Fasti you will see februa are instruments of purification and not just at the Lupercalia but other festivals (e.g. Parilia). Thus, the sentence on Februa should be struck and replaced with something that says this was a name applied to the Lupercalia in late antiquity. -- 77.43.89.162 ( talk) 17:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)AdrianusGeminus
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This is a good entry, but the connection to the 40 day Christian penitential season of Lent is put too simplistically. Yes, the early Christians liked to 'domesticate' pagan festivals, but (1) since almost every day could have been a festival, if they wanted to have an observance they had a hard time AVOIDING Roman festivals, so the linkage is often false and (2) Shrove Tuesday or Mardi Gras, as we might as well call it, or Carnival, or whatever, is set not by the Lupercalia but by its relationship to Easter. That has to be made clear. I am also not at all sure that the penitential season was invented in the city of Rome by Pope Gelasius, but that research can come later. --MichaelTinkler
Alright. Yes, Christians adopted some pagan holidays. However, LENT last 40 days. Lupercalia is what - a week? These two are not commensurate. This is a silly fragment of 19th century 'scholarship' along the lines of the tedious and oft-disproved Golden Bough. Try the pagan implications of Christmas. It makes more sense. --MichaelTinkler.
About Carnem levare: this was a verse of latin precepts of Roman Church, a part of a list of instructions that remained more or less unaltered as long as the holy mass was in latin. Carne + vale is just a students' joke.
I removed the following text, because there appears to be consensus that it's mostly or entirely false:
The last day before Lent, known as Shrove Tuesday in older English sources, Mardi Gras in French, and Carnival in many places, is a festival of feasting before the penitential season begins. The term Carnival comes from Carnem + levare, which in Latin mean, literally, "remove meat" (from diet), an appropriate sentiment at the beginning of Lent; this name comes from the Catholic prohibition of eating meat during all the period. This prohibition was later reduced and applies now on Fridays only. By a similar sense, the other italian synonym, "Carnasciale" (from Middle Age, now very seldom used) that comes from italian Carne + lasciare (abandon meat). Wesley
We have recently studied Lupercalia in Latin class. We mentioned that some of the Lupercalia traditions were believed by scholars to be related to Valentine's Day. It is thought that girls left notes in jars to boys that they liked or something along these lines pre-Lupercalia. This is a Valentine's Day tradition as well. This is believed to be where the tradition of Valentines Day was picked up, by some. I believe that this should be added to the article if it is fact...Can someone clear this up for me?
There are several OTHER references to lottery, picking, choosing, wive or girls, or sex partners for some period of days or up to a year. Reference to the only way to get a wife, etc.
http://www.witchology.com/contents/february/valentines_static.php
http://tasromeas6.weebly.com/painting-of-the-festival-of-lupercalia.html
I am certantl not an expert on this. Probably needs so research and citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jraff9 ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
(after which the Luperci cut thongs from the skins of the victims) which victims? I'm pretty sure it's the goats but it's not made clear. If it is the goats then victims should be replaced with sacrifices
The second sentence of the second paragraph under "Origins" seems somewhat of a run-on to me. Should someone change it, or is it acceptable as it is currently?
If "Lupercus" is simply Justin Martyr's back-formation from Lupercalia, shouldn't the material there (very minor) be moved here, and " Lupercus" made a redirect? -- Wetman 10:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
from Februa. See Talk:Februa. — LlywelynII 02:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree that the Februa cannot stand as it is now in the first paragraph of the entry. Februa was a late name for the Lupercalia, not an earlier festival. The earliest reference to the Lupercalia is the antiquarian Varro who says the day was called dies Februatus (februated/purified day) which is different from saying that the festival was called februa. If you read Ovid's Fasti you will see februa are instruments of purification and not just at the Lupercalia but other festivals (e.g. Parilia). Thus, the sentence on Februa should be struck and replaced with something that says this was a name applied to the Lupercalia in late antiquity. -- 77.43.89.162 ( talk) 17:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)AdrianusGeminus