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The introduction states that the lumbar vertebrae "can be distinguished by the absence of a foramen (hole) in the transverse process, and by the absence of facets on the sides of the body", but it does not make clear from what they can be thus distinguished. Is it from the other vertebrae? I can only guess.
My back hurts like hell and I can't get out bed.
It would be nice if this article linked to an article that could help me figure out why. I'll make a link if I can find such an article.
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Pekinensis 20:21, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I have made an edit to the last sentence of the intro which initially read like this:
I argue that the lumbar spine is the "source of much body motion" when pathological, injurious motor patterns are used. In biomechanically efficient, non-injurious motor patterns, the acetabulofemoral joint (hip) would likely be the "source". Besides, "much body motion" is too vague and unscientific.
I therefore also had to remove the given reference which presented the stated erroneous information. This "reference" (a business offering treatment for spine injuries) was a poor one, not worthy of being included in an encyclopedia.
If there is any disagreement with my edit, I will be happy to discuss here.
Patrick Roy-V., B.Sc. Kin,
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23:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Too many words are too technical, medical jargon, having no intuitive meaning for the average reader seeking information. It needs simplification or translation wherever possible. I can't help edit, without proceeding word by word with a medical dictionary. Or, would this overly simplify the article? I'm not sure.
What is Wiki-policy in such a situation? At what level is Wikipedia targeted? Wikipedia's genius, popularity and usefulness for me is that (written by consensus) it generally tells me exactly what real-people want to know, rather than that written by experts.
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02:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The sent
in "General characteristics" seems not to be accurate, i suppose bcz of characteristics common to all the lumbars.
The "First to fifth lumbar vertebrae" section got misnamed when a secn abt L1 was merged with one abt L5, but that title has become even less descriptive.
I don't expect to get it right in reorganizing and rewording, but i expect the result will be an improvement.
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This section is almost impossible to understand. Why don't you just state how many lumbar vertebrae are normally found in each species? Maybe a table with separate lines for gorilla, chimpanzee, bonobo, and the various species of Homo, Australopithecus, etc.; in future years one can add to it as more data comes available.
The important point here, though, is that lordosis that makes possible upright bipedal walking and running. How did that evolve?
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I am deeply puzzled about how this article is named. It is "Lumbar vertebrae", but it clearly should be named "Lumbar vertebrae (human)", since T-bone steaks are cut from "Lumbar vertebrae (bovine)" and Pork chops are cut from "Lumbar vertebrae (pig)". In fact the Loin article is a perfect example of my objection to this article focusing on Human Anatomy to the exclusion of a multitude of other animals which have Lumbar Vertebrae, many of which are important in human cuisine. The "Loin" article begins with
"The loins, or lumbus, are the sides between the lower ribs and pelvis, and the lower part of the back. The term is used to describe the anatomy of humans and quadrupeds, such as horses, pigs, or cattle. The anatomical reference also applies to particular cuts of meat, including tenderloin or sirloin steak."
which is how I think this article should begin.
I changed the intro. I believe that the rest of the article, all that follows the section heading "Human anatomy" should be moved to a new article ""Lumbar vertebrae (human)". (I do not know how to do that correctly.) Then this article should be filled in with information about this topic as it applies to all other animals which have them. Do all Tetrapods have lumbar vetebrae? Or are they limited to all Amniotes? Which animals have them?
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The introduction states that the lumbar vertebrae "can be distinguished by the absence of a foramen (hole) in the transverse process, and by the absence of facets on the sides of the body", but it does not make clear from what they can be thus distinguished. Is it from the other vertebrae? I can only guess.
My back hurts like hell and I can't get out bed.
It would be nice if this article linked to an article that could help me figure out why. I'll make a link if I can find such an article.
--
Pekinensis 20:21, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I have made an edit to the last sentence of the intro which initially read like this:
I argue that the lumbar spine is the "source of much body motion" when pathological, injurious motor patterns are used. In biomechanically efficient, non-injurious motor patterns, the acetabulofemoral joint (hip) would likely be the "source". Besides, "much body motion" is too vague and unscientific.
I therefore also had to remove the given reference which presented the stated erroneous information. This "reference" (a business offering treatment for spine injuries) was a poor one, not worthy of being included in an encyclopedia.
If there is any disagreement with my edit, I will be happy to discuss here.
Patrick Roy-V., B.Sc. Kin,
--
75.119.229.36 (
talk)
23:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Too many words are too technical, medical jargon, having no intuitive meaning for the average reader seeking information. It needs simplification or translation wherever possible. I can't help edit, without proceeding word by word with a medical dictionary. Or, would this overly simplify the article? I'm not sure.
What is Wiki-policy in such a situation? At what level is Wikipedia targeted? Wikipedia's genius, popularity and usefulness for me is that (written by consensus) it generally tells me exactly what real-people want to know, rather than that written by experts.
HalFonts (
talk)
02:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The sent
in "General characteristics" seems not to be accurate, i suppose bcz of characteristics common to all the lumbars.
The "First to fifth lumbar vertebrae" section got misnamed when a secn abt L1 was merged with one abt L5, but that title has become even less descriptive.
I don't expect to get it right in reorganizing and rewording, but i expect the result will be an improvement.
--
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t
15:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
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This section is almost impossible to understand. Why don't you just state how many lumbar vertebrae are normally found in each species? Maybe a table with separate lines for gorilla, chimpanzee, bonobo, and the various species of Homo, Australopithecus, etc.; in future years one can add to it as more data comes available.
The important point here, though, is that lordosis that makes possible upright bipedal walking and running. How did that evolve?
Solo Owl 18:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eall Ân Ûle ( talk • contribs)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 05:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I am deeply puzzled about how this article is named. It is "Lumbar vertebrae", but it clearly should be named "Lumbar vertebrae (human)", since T-bone steaks are cut from "Lumbar vertebrae (bovine)" and Pork chops are cut from "Lumbar vertebrae (pig)". In fact the Loin article is a perfect example of my objection to this article focusing on Human Anatomy to the exclusion of a multitude of other animals which have Lumbar Vertebrae, many of which are important in human cuisine. The "Loin" article begins with
"The loins, or lumbus, are the sides between the lower ribs and pelvis, and the lower part of the back. The term is used to describe the anatomy of humans and quadrupeds, such as horses, pigs, or cattle. The anatomical reference also applies to particular cuts of meat, including tenderloin or sirloin steak."
which is how I think this article should begin.
I changed the intro. I believe that the rest of the article, all that follows the section heading "Human anatomy" should be moved to a new article ""Lumbar vertebrae (human)". (I do not know how to do that correctly.) Then this article should be filled in with information about this topic as it applies to all other animals which have them. Do all Tetrapods have lumbar vetebrae? Or are they limited to all Amniotes? Which animals have them?