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Requested move 29 February 2020
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natural disambiguation in forming article titles, i.e. any extra explanatory terms should only be used where necessary. In this case, both men have similar names, identical except for the capitalisation of the second word ("De" or "de"). As this is sufficient to distinguish between the cardinal and the politician, I propose that both of these pages should be renamed to remove the
parenthetical disambiguation in the current titles. The necessary disambiguation afterwards can be achieved through the use of hatnotes at the top of the page, e.g. "This article is about the cardinal. For the politician, see
Luigi de Magistris". Note that there is currently a disambiguation page at
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Oppose, don't think the change in capitalization helps disambiguate. I don't think the everyday user would be able to off the top of their head guess which page is which when looking.--
Ortizesp (
talk) 18:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose because the distinction between their names is insufficient to serve the best interests of a less-than-expert user.
Bmclaughlin9 (
talk) 20:56, 29 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose—I agree with
Ortizesp and
Bmclaughlin9—but in my opinion it's always better in a situation with only two people with the same name that we choose one as a primary topic, because that way those actually searching for him won't have to click through a disambiguation page. Alternative proposal: Based on
pageviewsmoveLuigi de Magistris (politician) to
Luigi de Magistris over the current disambiguation page and put a hatnote to the other one.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 10:09, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose alternative, though I think it’s better than the original proposal. But consider how very few people ever encounter the disamb page based on
these page views. Better a few people encounter the disamb page than far more face the distraction of a hatnote IMHO.
Bmclaughlin9 (
talk) 16:10, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Anyone facing a searchbox choice between "de" and "De" has only a 50/50 chance of picking the right one. Better a few people encounter the disamb page than editors unwittingly link to the wrong article. Such errors rarely get found and fixed, and degrade the encyclopedia. I've seen
WP:PTOPICs with over a hundred bad links-in.
Narky Blert (
talk) 15:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 29 February 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
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natural disambiguation in forming article titles, i.e. any extra explanatory terms should only be used where necessary. In this case, both men have similar names, identical except for the capitalisation of the second word ("De" or "de"). As this is sufficient to distinguish between the cardinal and the politician, I propose that both of these pages should be renamed to remove the
parenthetical disambiguation in the current titles. The necessary disambiguation afterwards can be achieved through the use of hatnotes at the top of the page, e.g. "This article is about the cardinal. For the politician, see
Luigi de Magistris". Note that there is currently a disambiguation page at
Luigi de Magistris, which will no longer be necessary after the page moves. — RAVENPVFF·talk· 17:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose, don't think the change in capitalization helps disambiguate. I don't think the everyday user would be able to off the top of their head guess which page is which when looking.--
Ortizesp (
talk) 18:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose because the distinction between their names is insufficient to serve the best interests of a less-than-expert user.
Bmclaughlin9 (
talk) 20:56, 29 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose—I agree with
Ortizesp and
Bmclaughlin9—but in my opinion it's always better in a situation with only two people with the same name that we choose one as a primary topic, because that way those actually searching for him won't have to click through a disambiguation page. Alternative proposal: Based on
pageviewsmoveLuigi de Magistris (politician) to
Luigi de Magistris over the current disambiguation page and put a hatnote to the other one.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 10:09, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose alternative, though I think it’s better than the original proposal. But consider how very few people ever encounter the disamb page based on
these page views. Better a few people encounter the disamb page than far more face the distraction of a hatnote IMHO.
Bmclaughlin9 (
talk) 16:10, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Anyone facing a searchbox choice between "de" and "De" has only a 50/50 chance of picking the right one. Better a few people encounter the disamb page than editors unwittingly link to the wrong article. Such errors rarely get found and fixed, and degrade the encyclopedia. I've seen
WP:PTOPICs with over a hundred bad links-in.
Narky Blert (
talk) 15:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.