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Lucille Ball has not one 13 Emmy's, according to the official Emmy website, she was NOMINATED 13 times, and won 4 competitive awards. She is not the person with th emost Emmy's -----pallen@olp.net
Zerbey 20:51, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Needs more discussion of Here's Lucy, The Lucy Show, and Life with Lucy, or at least links to them.
Is this correct? If it is so be it, but I find it odd to put her grandfather's political leanings in the opening paragraphs since it really adds nothing to the article. Perhaps the author meant to write "socialite," it seems to make more sense here. I didn't want to change it myself in case it really is supposed to read "socialist."
A few months back I made the 'trivia' section and listed it in chronological order by date. I know someone flagged it saying the section didn't look good, but I think it looked a lot better than listed all of her awards/honors in one paragraph as it is now. Can't we put it back the way it was? It looks awful now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadow2700 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I was appauled to see that someone vandalized Lucy's page, saying "she was f*cked by many rapist."(Without the star in the curse word!). I deleted it, knowing this is not true. Sime also, when Rhode Island is mention, put, Rhode Island is the dumbest mostest dumbest state ever.
I deleted that line as well. I think this article needs a clean-up!
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71.229.59.237 01:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I have never seen anywhere before the allegation that 1950's actress Suzan Ball was any relation to Lucille Ball. Could someone please source this?
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:05, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
After buying out her ex-husband's share of the studio, Ball functioned as studio head but apparently had little direct involvement in production. For instance, she apparently completely misunderstood the premise of one of the company's most (belatedly) famous productions, Star Trek thinking it was a contemporary drama about actresses.
On the subject of Trek and M:I the main article says:
"Desilu produced several other shows, most notably the sitcom 'Mothers-In-Law'." I have never even heard of that show. If the "most notably" language is to be used clearly it needs to be used for Trek.
MichaelSH 01:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Mother's-In-Law was a dreadful throwback of a sitcom in the late 1960s time period. It starred Eve Arden, Kay Ballard, Herbert Rudley, and Roger C. Carmel. I found it to be unwatchable. Desi Arnaz was a producer, I believe. — 70.108.189.231 20:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand the point of this. The opening paragraph suggests a common theme of either Lucy clowning, or attempting to be some kind of performer, but the examples don't all lend themselves to this theme. I can think of other examples where she clowned or jumped on the opportunity to put on a show or take to the stage that are not mentioned so why just these examples? It looks very disjointed and random, and the choices seem to reflect a POV - ie it looks like a list of someone's favourite episodes and some of the descriptive text is clearly POV. Ball used physical comedy extensively so I can't see any reason, for example, for singling out the candy conveyor belt episode. If it's iconic (and perhaps it is) it should be on the I Love Lucy page, but I don't understand why it's here. The writing style is also very unencyclopedic and looks more like the blurbs you would see in a TV guide or on the back of a DVD case. Rossrs 15:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed this - this is duplicated on the I Love Lucy page, and this page is more her biographical info. There may be some overlap of information (ie, some of the "firsts" that Ball did in TV) but that information about the show clearly belongs on the show's page. NickBurns 20:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
That can't be right. That can't be right becauseshe would have droped out in the age of a4 to 177 not 2 and 1st of all she wasn't in school at the age of 2 and second she couldn't have droped out then if she couldn't speak for herself considerind that se could't say much at all and third she had a respectible family they wouldn't have up and let her drop out of school.That is myreason
That can't be right, either.
Help needed to sort this out and check the entire document over, c'mon you Lucy fans out there, there must be an American queen out there who knows this stuff, i'm a British queen and her impact here was much less, lol. -- Brideshead 17:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Another point is that a recent documentary on the History Channel states she was raised in Binghamton, New York. That's in the same ballpark as Jamestown.
Ball survived this encounter with the HUAC, naming no names. Well, most people survived. In fact, they all did. Can we re-phrase this sentence to make it a little less dramatic? 207.172.222.90 00:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I have just glanced at this Biography and find this lacking one major event. I do not see her Death of April 26, 1989 listed anywhere. Surely someone else has caught this too right? Any reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.13.105.138 ( talk • contribs)
(Different Surfer than that which posted directly above) Absolutely. I agree. It is the spookiest Wikipedia entry I have come across, and it is all in the present tense when we are talking about the biography of a dead female actress. What gives? Have I stumbled upon the Cult of Lucy by accident and spoiled the party?
-Just Wondering, Califonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.165.106.23 ( talk • contribs)
...many of them were not actually produced BY Desilu. "Make Room for Daddy", "Andy Griffith", "Dick Van Dyke", "I Spy" and others were Sheldon Leonard-produced shows which were filmed at Desilu Studios, and thus bore the logo in-credit. The others listed in that paragraph ("Our Miss Brooks", "The Untouchables", "Star Trek", "Mission: Impossible") were in fact from Desilu and/or its successor Paramount Television. ElCartero 05:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I was just curious as to why I keep seeing different versions of this article. They seem to change constantly. First it will say that she is still alive, and then it will say that she is dead? What gives? -- 172.162.129.51 18:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems like an out-of-place paragraph or two in the I Love Lucy section about the camerawork; while relevant to the show, has essentially nothing to do with Lucille Ball. should remove, I think. Personamb 03:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed:
"Ball named no names in her encounter with the HUAC."
How could she name names when she didn't know anyone to name? In order for that line to be valid, someone needs to show that she actually knew communists in Hollywood. There's no proof that she knew any communists in the industry. Also, is there evidence that she was even asked if she knew any communists in Hollywood by the HUAC? Hence the obvious deletion. Jtpaladin 23:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I<3Lucille Ball
See the above discussion about her death Talk:Lucille_Ball#Death.
Months later this page is still plagued with vandals adding/removing/changing information to make it appear she is still alive. Maybe this page should be semi-protected? akuyume T C 02:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Her nickname while at MGM in the 1940's was Technicolor Tessie as per many resources on the web including IMDB and TCM (www.tcm.com/thismonth/article/?cid=147380) Bjbyrne 19:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)bjbyrne
I was watching the Discovery Channel, on a documentary on Lucy and they said she haunts the RSM Queen Mary. There is nothing on the haunting on either page. Miranda 12:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
This trivia section was added to the article and I've removed it: some of it is already in the article, some things are inconsequential and it was full of typos. In any case this kind of section shouldn't appear in this fashion. Anything notable that isn't already in the piece can be integrated into appropriate places - that's why I moved it here. Tvoz | talk 07:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
And now this and more trivia was dumped into the article - again, much of the notable parts are already in the article, much is irrelevant. This is not how articles are written - if someone wants to take the notable material, source it, and piost it in appropriate places in the article that's fine. But unsourced infodumps do not belong here. Please discuss, don't just dump. Tvoz | talk 19:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Received the Women's International Center (WIC) Living Legacy Award posthumously in 1990.
Originally interred at Forest Lawn (Hollywood Hills), Los Angeles, California, USA, Columbarium of Radiant Dawn, Court of Remembrance. In 2003, she was re-interred in the Ball family plot in Lake View Cemetery, Jamestown, New York.
A comment from a member of the preview audience of Follow the Fleet (1936) about bit-player Ball: "You might give the tall gum chewing blonde more parts and see if she can't make the grade - a good gamble."
Ball and Barbara Pepper met early in their careers when they were both " Goldwyn Girls" and remained lifelong friends.
Mother of Lucie Arnaz and D esi Arnaz Jr..
During a Barbara Walter's interview, Jane Fonda claims that her father, Henry Fonda, was deeply in love with Lucille Ball and that the two were "very close" during the filming of Yours, Mine and Ours (1968).
Was the first woman to own her own film studio.
Born a brunette.
She signed her first promotional agreement with Max Factor in 1935 and again in 1942. Of all the stars, she had the longest association with the Max Factor company.
Once registered as a voter for the Communist party as a favor to her grandfather.
Lucy and her son, Desi Arnaz Jr., appeared together on the very first cover of " TV Guide" magazine in 1953.
Died the morning of April 26, 1989, the fifty-sixth birthday of her friend Carol Burnett. That afternoon Burnett received the flowers that Ball had ordered for her birthday.
During the 1933 filming of Roman Scandals (1933), young Lucille Ball, portraying a slave girl, needed to have her eyebrows entirely shaved off. They never grew back.
Before her movie career, Lucille was a model at H attie Carnegie's in New York. She mainly modeled heavy fur coats, because she was startlingly thin as a young lady.
Lucy and Desi Arnaz began " I Love Lucy" (1951) in the hopes of saving their crumbling marriage.
She was fired from working at an ice cream store because she kept forgetting to put bananas in banana splits
She put her Chesterfield cigarettes in a Phillip Morris package to please her sponsor (of the " I Love Lucy" (1951) show).
TV Guide picked her as the greatest TV star of all time.
Was one of the 20 original " Goldwyn Girls", along with Virginia Bruce; Ann Dvorak; P aulette Goddard and Betty Grable.
Born at 5:00 pm.
Second cousin of actress Suzan Ball.
For many years during their marriage, Lucy and Desi Arnaz hid the fact that she was six years older then him by splitting the difference in their ages. She (born in 1911) said she was born in 1914 and he (born in 1917) also said he was born in 1914.
Was known for a while as Dianne Belmont back when she was a model.
Pictured on a 34¢ USA commemorative postage stamp in the Legends of Hollywood series, issued 6 August 2001.
Inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame in 2002.
Her favorite movie she made was The Big Street (1942). Up to her dying day, she resented AMPAS for not recognizing her performance in the movie by including her for an Academy Award nomination.
One of her last television appearances was in 1989 on the 62nd Accademy Awards, with Bob Hope, announcing the nominations and winner of Best Picture.
Stricken by rheumatoid arthritis early in her modeling career and spent 2 years re-learning how to walk.
[[Filed for a divorce from husband Desi Arnaz, the day following the last day of filming " The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" (1957)]]. [[[3 March 1960]]]
Measurements: 33-22 1/2 -34 (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine).
Biography in: "Who's Who in Comedy" by Ronald L. Smith. pg. 35-37. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387.
Felt that she did not deserve the title of "Queen of Comedy" and felt that it belonged to her idol, Carole Lombard.
While still contemplating whether to do the " I Love Lucy" (1951) shows, she claimed that in her dream, Carole Lombard came to her and told her to "Give it a whirl".
[[Was Frank Sinatra's first choice for the role of Laurence Harvey's mother in The Manchurian Candidate (1962)]]. He was only dissuaded when John Frankenheimer took him to see Angela Lansbury in a play.
Disliked any false form of a bird, she preferred to see them in person so she banned all pictures of birds from her house and any hotel room she was staying in.
Had a superstition about the letters A and R, which is why her character was named Lucy RicARdo in " I Love Lucy" (1951); Lucy CARmichael in " The Lucy Show" (1962); Lucy CARter in " Here's Lucy" (1968) and Lucy BARker in " Life with Lucy" (1986) (she was also married to 'Desi ARnaz'). She believed she didn't have luck in her career until she changed her name to Arnaz.
First cousin of Cleo Morgan, though they were raised as sisters.
Related by marriage to Sid Gould.
Related by marriage to Vanda Barra.
Was of Irish, Scottish, French, and English descent.
Named the Greatest TV Star of All Time by TV Guide.
Suffered a miscarriage with her and Desi Arnaz's first child in 1942.
Suffered a second miscarriage with her and Desi Arnaz's second child in 1949.
Suffered third miscarriage in 1950 with husband Desi Arnaz.
Is portrayed by Gypsi DeYoung in The Scarlett O'Hara War (1980) (TV) and by Rachel York in Lucy (2003) (TV).
Comedian John Belushi was a fan of her and knew every detail of her life and career.
She was proud of her family and heritage. Her genealogy can be traced back to the earliest settlers in the colonies. One direct ancestor, William Sprague (1609-1675), left England on the ship " Lyon's Whelp" for Plymouth/Salem, Massachusetts. They were from Upwey, Dorsetshire, England. William, along with his 2 brothers, helped to found the city of Charlestown, Massachusetts. Other Sprague relatives became soldiers in the Revolutionary War and 2 of them became governors of the state of Rhode Island.
Lucy and Desi Arnaz were married a second time in 1946 in a church because his mother believed that the reason they didn't have children yet was because they were never married in the Catholic Church.
Lucy and Desi Arnaz were married at the Byram River Beagle Club in Connecticut in 1940.
Lucy filed for divorce from Desi Arnaz in the 1940s, but didn't go through with it because they reconciled.
Not long after the Arnazes bought their house on Roxbury Drive in Beverly Hills, it was featured in an episode of "I Love Lucy" (1951) (the one where Richard Widmark guest stars and she climbs over the fence to pick a grapefruit).
She named herself Diane Belmont after the Belmont racetrack in New York.
The day she first met Desi Arnaz, she had a black eye and a torn dress from filming a fight scene from the movie Dance, Girl, Dance (1940) and he didn't find her at all attractive until they met again later in the day when she had changed into her own clothes and makeup.
The original Desilu was Lucy and Desi's ranch in Chatsworth, CA. They named it after Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford's estate " Pickfair".
Was once known as the "Chesterfield Girl" because she was the spokesmodel for Chesterfield cigarettes.
Was tutored in comedy by Buster Keaton.
When they were first married in 1940, Desi Arnaz had to give Lucy a ring from a drugstore because all jewelry stores were closed. She wore it for the rest of their marriage.
Her biological father died when she was three years old.
Older sister of Fred Ball.
Is portrayed by Frances Fisher in Lucy & Desi: Before the Laughter (1991) (TV).
Lucille's younger brother, Fred Ball (1915-2007), moved from their hometown of Jamestown, New York, to join Lucy in Hollywood in the 1930s. Fred often accompanied Desi's band on tour during the 40s and 50s, and also worked at Lucy and Desi's Desilu Productions sitting on the Board of Directors. In later years, Fred and his wife Zo operated a motel in Cottonwood, Arizona, where he died. Fred also shared the same birthday as his niece Lucie Arnaz.
In Italy, her films were often dubbed by Lidia Simoneschi or Wanda Tettoni, notably in the hilarious The Long, Long Trailer (1954). She was occasionally dubbed by Rosetta Calavetta, Dhia Cristiani, Rina Morelli and Renata Marini (in Stage Door (1937)).
Was in frail health following a heart attack in May 1988.
In 1966, it was reported in an annual stockholder's meeting that Lucille Ball's salary as President of Desilu Productions ( 1962- 1967)was $100,000. Her acting fees for 1966 were $130,172.
He can't be a descendant of George Washington, as he had no children. I'm editting this to reflect that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.170.228 ( talk) 21:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 10:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What's with the high-handed deletions of material without explanation? I mean, I suppose it's your right to behave like an imperious twit, but really -- deleting sourced material without a word of explanation? For apparently no other reason than to feed your own vanity? ('Cause apparently if you didn't write it, it doesn't deserve a place in this article...)
Got a problem with a sourced, easily verifiable piece of material? Fine. Identify the nature of the problem, and make your argument against it. If enough people agree with you, out it goes. Heck, maybe you've got a really strong argument that will get us thinking "Hey, y'know, that Canyouhearmenow is actually a pretty clever person...." 192.30.202.20 ( talk) 20:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, everyone. Let me just be upfront about it. When I first came to this site, the lead was in bad, bad shape. To say the grammar left a lot to be desired might be the understatement of the decade (I don't mean to be insult theh original author, but many changes were significant. Please, if you have been actively involved in the creation and/or maintenance of this article. I hope everyone understands that I had no intention to step on toes. We are all in this project together, and my goal is verifiable, encyclopedic content. Thanks! "Yes... It's Raining" 09:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Congrats on the well-deserved GA on this very notable subject. Hope to see it soon at FAC! JGHowes talk - 04:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I added Category:Television preservation due to her importance to the matter, since she is known to of played a part in showing the value of such act. Retro Agnostic ( talk) 19:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Under the Early Life and Career section, there was a section about Lucy appearing in some of the old Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers' movies. Part of this paragraph reads, "She can also be seen as one of the featured models in the Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers film "Roberta" (1935) and briefly as the flower girl in another Astaire-Rogers 1935 film, "Top Hat," where she met her lifelong friend, Ginger Rogers."
This is incorrect. Lucy is a distant cousin of Rogers on her mother's side of the family, therefore, saying that they "met" on set, is a bit misleading. So I edited this and changed the end to "Ginger Rogers was a distant cousin of Lucille's through her mother's side" as well as added the movie "Follow the Fleet," as Lucy also had a brief role in that.
I left in the referance used, although I have no idea where the person who originaly wrote this section got the idea that Lucy and Ginger met on the set of "Roberta" and where "friends" thereafter, as nowhere in the article referanced does it say that. Only that "...she [Lucy] wound up appearing in over 60 movies with such established stars such as Katherine Hepburn, Ginger Rogers and Bob Hope (who was later to become a life long friend)." However, this suggest her relationship as a good friend of Bob Hope, not Ginger Rogers. So, while I did leave the reference in that section, feel free to remove it, as I don't see how it even relates and doesn't really need to be there.
~Pink Moonlight (December 4, 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pink Moonlight ( talk • contribs) 12:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I looked around and found a reference stating Rogers and Ball being distant cousins, according to Lucy's daughter. So I added a reference link to that.
Pink Moonlight ( talk) 09:32, 17 October 2010 (UTC)Pink Moonlight
Why is Madeline Jane Dee listed as one of Lucy and Desi's children in one section of this article? That has never been substantiated, since no one in the Arnaz family will consent to DNA testing.
I see that a scan of a letter personally signed by Lucille Ball was removed because one person thought that it had "no importance to the article". Couldn't we discuss this in a forum before permanently deep-sixing this?
Maybe it is not of "vital importance" to the article, but Lucille Ball was - and continues to be - one of the world's most beloved personalities, and it certainly adds interest and appeal to the article. I thought I was being very generous to donate that from my private collection for public domain, and to have it immediately axed, because one person didn't think it was important, was kind of a nasty and insulting slap in the face.
Have you seen how much trouble and rigamorole it is to get copyright to publish photos in Wikimedia Commons? I signed away the rights and donated that for public domain because I thought it would be of historical interest to Lucy's fans. How many people do you know who have a letter from Lucille Ball? OK, it was typed by her secretary, Wanda Clark, but that is Lucy's actual signature. Does everything have to be essential to an article? Can't we leave it in to show that Lucille Ball truly cared about her fans, and personally responded to their letters? And that's why she stayed on top for so long? And continues to be, even after her death? And has left a legacy that is continuing to thrive because she cared about her fans?
I think that letter is of unique historical interest, and should be reconsidered for inclusion in the article. This article is not exactly cluttered with unnecessary photos, and certainly this one item of interest could remain, and the sun will still rise in the east tomorrow. JGKlein ( talk) 04:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a good compromise to me. Kennethjiles ( talk) 13:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
But Lucille Ball is named Lucille Ball, NOT Steve Yelle! People are so weird like this on Wikipedia. I know her on I Love Lucy but I don't like weird names for girls like Steve Yelle! What's that supposed to mean?
71.254.1.102 ( talk) 04:10, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry folks for my little edit fest. I just wanted to add in a blurb about her being recognized with the Google Doodle, but I made an error with my wiki markup, and correcting it was a pain because I ran into the spam filter for an old link to medaloffreedom.com, which I visited and it really is spam. I replaced the citation with a link I found from the List of Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients page. After monkeying around with it for twenty minutes I managed to get everything back to more or less normal. Sorry for mucking it up on a day that this page is probably getting more traffic than usual... -- —Cliffb ( talk) 07:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
This paragraph's material does not appear to be contained in the attributed sources:
The material is presented in this source pg 22-28 but some of the details are different. She dated him at 14 which would have been 1925 or 1926, DeVita's father was rumored to be in illegal activity, but the source says nothing about organized crime, her mother attemped to stop the dating at various times, and her mother raised money to send Lucy to the school. I didn't find the quotation "had no future at all as a performer." in a source that predates this Wikipedia article. I am not well versed in the sources for her so maybe someone who is can attibute to the right sources or change some wording. Ward20 ( talk) 01:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
The "File:LucyEthel I Love Lucy.png" is a good photo but from a copyright material. So I wonder if File:Lucy wins racehorse 1958.JPG could replace the other photo. there are other photos uploaded by We hope which are good use. -- Gh87 ( talk) 15:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Clearly the citations in this article need some maintenance: some appear multiple times, others appear both in the references and further reading, quite possibly there are other problems too. I will start cleaning the article up. There are of course lots of different ways of "cleaning an article up". If you particularly wish to do it differently, just say so and you can take over: as long as the article ends up tidy. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
There were several different ways of citing Kanfer 2003 in the article, confusing both for the reader and the editor. I have converted a couple of citations to start with, to the {{
sfn}}
template and friends consistently, which play nicely with the {{
cite web}}
and friends templates already used in the article. The short references are now "Kanfer 2003 p. 24." instead of "Kanfer, page 24" etc (p. and page, terminal full stop were already used inconsistently in the article so this does not count as a change of maintained style) and the citations are sorted by author surname which is helpful for the reader once short form references are used. While doing this I corrected the spelling of Lucille's name and added an ISBN, so it is clear that this exercise will bring more than just cosmetic changes. --
Mirokado (
talk) 00:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I have now dealt with most of the multiple citations. I have noticed that there is misuse of the quote parameter for a summary of what the reference refers to, instead of a direct quote from the source. It should already be clear from the article text what the reference is supporting so in most cases this additional material can be removed. If necessary I will update the article text as well. There is also a problem with google book links which point only to a top-level summary of the book: google book search is personalised, meaning to that one person's search link is useless for anyone else. If we provide full publishing details it is easy for someone to search for any on-line book contents. As I go through the article I will make other changes for general consistency. -- Mirokado ( talk) 02:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I've started looking at the problematical quote parameters. The first ref I looked at [1] does not contain any of the information it is being used to support, so I have replaced it by a tag (I'll try to find suitable refs too). It is a good potential reference nevertheless, so I will leave it here for now. -- Mirokado ( talk) 21:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
I've removed a reference to tribe.com: "78,509 free, member-created groups for every interest - discussions, photos, listings and more", which is not a reliable source, and replaced it by three {{
cn}}
for now. Also removed content which failed verification in November 2011 and added a new failed verification tag.
I've also started to move ref definitions used more than once to the reference list. This means we can find a definition referred to by name in a predictable place. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:24, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the following, which was sourced from a site which itself copies this article: "Ball's business instincts were often astonishingly sharp, and her love for Arnaz was passionate, but her relationships with her children were sometimes strained. Lucie Arnaz, her daughter, spoke of her mother's "controlling" nature." This can be restored if we can find a reliable independent source for it. -- Mirokado ( talk) 13:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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Not mentioned here is the 1954 movie 'The Long,Long Trailer' distributed by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and starred Lucille Ball, Desi Arnaz, Marjorie Main, and Keenan Wynn. Musicwriter ( talk) 03:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC) [1]
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This article is missing some footnotes. This could be remedied, or else it may put its GA status at risk. Anything else I'm missing? -- George Ho ( talk) 05:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This appears to have been abandoned by the nominator so I will close it. No real reason concerning the GA criteria has been given for delisting so I will close it as keep.
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There is no information supported by reliable sources within this article stating that Ball was a Vaudeville performer. She was in a number of Broadway productions before the success of her television show, but so far as I can tell from the article she did not tour and was not part of the vaudeville circuits in the US. If a Category is added to an article, it must be supported by the article itself, not by what readers or editors think could be, might be, or must the (unverified) truth. If you think Ball was a Vaudeville performer, then please discuss it here on this page along with your sources first before reverting the present version. Thank you. Shearonink ( talk) 07:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Write your favorite I LOVE LUCY episode! And please explain why. Also write the best part of the episode.
I'll start: I love the episode where Lucy makes wine, and she's stomping around in the grapes. I love it when the natives were commenting on how big her feet were and Lucy was wrestling in the grapes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.106.0.252 ( talk) 17:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The lead is too long. It should be 4 normal sized paragraphs at most (see MOS:LEAD). Anyone want to take a go at trimming it? FurrySings ( talk) 15:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Earlier this morning, I cut passages relating to the new production methods utilised on the show believing them to be inappropriate here. The material did not seem to be strongly enough related to Lucille Ball herself, and were substantially longer than the mentions The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy currently have in this article. I have checked the linked articles on Arnaz, Freund and the three-camera set-up, and moved relevant details and citations to the I Love Lucy article where they seem most appropriate. Philip Cross ( talk) 10:27, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
According to an episode of Bill Stern's Sports Newsreel radio show, Lucy drove in an automobile race, and was involved in a crash that was caught on newsreel cameras. And this led to her getting a Hollywood screen test. I'm not totally sure I got the details right, but Lucy herself appeared on the show to confirm Stern's story. But I don't seem to see anything else to support it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.55.235.203 ( talk) 01:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Given the importance of Desi Arnaz in Lucille Ball's life, I would think there would be more information on this page about how they met. "Ball had met and eloped with Cuban bandleader Desi Arnaz in 1940" on this page and "He went to Hollywood the next year to appear in the show's movie version at RKO, which starred Lucille Ball. Arnaz and Ball married on November 30, 1940." on Desi's page seems a little weak. Kjpires ( talk) 19:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC) kjpires
While Ball did register as a communist to please her grandfather she was never active in any socialist or communist organization. Should she really be labeled as an American socialist in the categories the bottom of the page? Bjoh249 ( talk) 08:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
It would be good if we had a photo of her when she was young, like this one I happened across on Flickr. Sca ( talk) 13:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
There are numerous passages containing "and she" ("... the company that Arnaz and she formed") and other poorly constructed sentences. Can somebody fix these? I am not a regular enough contributor with the time or the fortitude. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinbirk ( talk • contribs) 15:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Some sources claim Ball had a sister:
Still others say she thought/called her cousin, her sister:
There's much more, but that's the general idea. X4n6 ( talk) 05:52, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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A recent edit changed her birthplace from Jamestown, NY to Celoron, NY. The cited source says Jamestown. Her autobiography [5] says she was born in her grandparents home on Stewart Ave in Jamestown. Most references I have read place her birth in 60 Stewart Ave Jamestown and one or two in a suburb of Jamestown. 60 Stewart Ave seems to be somewhere between Jamestown and Celoron, NY. Anyone have a definitive answer? Ward20 ( talk) 07:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Stewart Ave, now Lucy Lane is according to this map:
located in the south-west corner of Celoron NY bounded on the west and south by the town of Jamestown West. Celoron was incorporated in 1896 before her birth and there is no indication its boundaries changed since then. The Jamestown boundary is about 1.5 km to the east of her home. The reliable sources are not so reliable when the maps prove otherwise. 60 Lucy Lane is across the street from 69 Lucy Lane and both addresses are in Celoron. The article can and should state she was born in Celoron NY, a suburb of Jamestown. This way both towns are mentioned and everyone should be happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ametrica ( talk • contribs) 14:11, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, then Wikipedia is wrong and that would mean Wikipedia is not a reliable source.
The statement "Ball was outspoken against the relationship her son had with actress Patty Duke" is a head-scratcher without additional context. What year, for instance, did this relationship take place; how old were Desi Jr. and Patty at the time (I know she's several years older than he is)? What, at least briefly, were Lucy's issues with it? Someone please clarify these points in the article. 2601:545:8202:4EA5:A09C:DAE3:6B0B:9954 ( talk) 01:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Dance, Girl, Dance 1940 110.175.82.149 ( talk) 16:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
If the text refers to her "socialist grandfather", we should be told who he is and something about him. I think he's omitted from the discussion of her family, even though he's supposed to have influence over her into her 20s...-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Originally, Lucy's name was billed on I Love Lucy as Lucille O'Ball. Later the O' was dropped. I can't find any references to this, but I saw it on the original show. I'm curious what the facts are and why the change was made. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstone2 ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Well that is demonstrably false. You are misremembering. Also, you don't have any sources which makes your claim more dubious. She was always known as Lucille Ball in both her personal and professional lives. I don't know how old you are, whether you would have watched the program as a child or not, but I can assure you that you're wrong. And I don't mean that coldly, but what you remember is simply not so. The brave celery ( talk) 02:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
she decided in the last moment of the show to let people think desi was silly.. she had 2 openings ready. one where desi enters and she says hi.. the other where he enters she doesnt notice it and he covers her eyes from beind with a big GUESS WHO.then she guesses various names until he gets angry and says its me ricky .she had planned the first one to avoid audience thinking ricky was silly but after she descivered his cheated on her she decided to get even and film the smart ricky version badly so as to eliminate it and then make well the version where desi appears silly and where she references cheating by naming men who might also enter without knocking.she took charge of the desilu company at that moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.27.25 ( talk) 08:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
The article's reference to her appearance on the Dick Cavett show has a "Citation needed" tag. Here's are a couple of citations, in case someone wants to add it. I'd add a citation myself, but I'm shaky in my knowledge of how to create references. Omc ( talk) 16:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6824580/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfksOIWQVDA&t=2s
Near the top of the page, it states "The next year, she starred in Life with Lucy, which was, unlike her other sitcoms, not well-received; the show was cancelled after three months." Under "1980s" it states "Her 1986 sitcom comeback Life with Lucy, costarring her longtime foil Gale Gordon and co-produced by Ball, Gary Morton, and prolific producer Aaron Spelling, was cancelled less than two months into its run by ABC.". Which is correct? RRicci428 ( talk) 14:46, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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Lucille Ball has not one 13 Emmy's, according to the official Emmy website, she was NOMINATED 13 times, and won 4 competitive awards. She is not the person with th emost Emmy's -----pallen@olp.net
Zerbey 20:51, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Needs more discussion of Here's Lucy, The Lucy Show, and Life with Lucy, or at least links to them.
Is this correct? If it is so be it, but I find it odd to put her grandfather's political leanings in the opening paragraphs since it really adds nothing to the article. Perhaps the author meant to write "socialite," it seems to make more sense here. I didn't want to change it myself in case it really is supposed to read "socialist."
A few months back I made the 'trivia' section and listed it in chronological order by date. I know someone flagged it saying the section didn't look good, but I think it looked a lot better than listed all of her awards/honors in one paragraph as it is now. Can't we put it back the way it was? It looks awful now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadow2700 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I was appauled to see that someone vandalized Lucy's page, saying "she was f*cked by many rapist."(Without the star in the curse word!). I deleted it, knowing this is not true. Sime also, when Rhode Island is mention, put, Rhode Island is the dumbest mostest dumbest state ever.
I deleted that line as well. I think this article needs a clean-up!
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71.229.59.237 01:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I have never seen anywhere before the allegation that 1950's actress Suzan Ball was any relation to Lucille Ball. Could someone please source this?
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:05, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
After buying out her ex-husband's share of the studio, Ball functioned as studio head but apparently had little direct involvement in production. For instance, she apparently completely misunderstood the premise of one of the company's most (belatedly) famous productions, Star Trek thinking it was a contemporary drama about actresses.
On the subject of Trek and M:I the main article says:
"Desilu produced several other shows, most notably the sitcom 'Mothers-In-Law'." I have never even heard of that show. If the "most notably" language is to be used clearly it needs to be used for Trek.
MichaelSH 01:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Mother's-In-Law was a dreadful throwback of a sitcom in the late 1960s time period. It starred Eve Arden, Kay Ballard, Herbert Rudley, and Roger C. Carmel. I found it to be unwatchable. Desi Arnaz was a producer, I believe. — 70.108.189.231 20:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand the point of this. The opening paragraph suggests a common theme of either Lucy clowning, or attempting to be some kind of performer, but the examples don't all lend themselves to this theme. I can think of other examples where she clowned or jumped on the opportunity to put on a show or take to the stage that are not mentioned so why just these examples? It looks very disjointed and random, and the choices seem to reflect a POV - ie it looks like a list of someone's favourite episodes and some of the descriptive text is clearly POV. Ball used physical comedy extensively so I can't see any reason, for example, for singling out the candy conveyor belt episode. If it's iconic (and perhaps it is) it should be on the I Love Lucy page, but I don't understand why it's here. The writing style is also very unencyclopedic and looks more like the blurbs you would see in a TV guide or on the back of a DVD case. Rossrs 15:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed this - this is duplicated on the I Love Lucy page, and this page is more her biographical info. There may be some overlap of information (ie, some of the "firsts" that Ball did in TV) but that information about the show clearly belongs on the show's page. NickBurns 20:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
That can't be right. That can't be right becauseshe would have droped out in the age of a4 to 177 not 2 and 1st of all she wasn't in school at the age of 2 and second she couldn't have droped out then if she couldn't speak for herself considerind that se could't say much at all and third she had a respectible family they wouldn't have up and let her drop out of school.That is myreason
That can't be right, either.
Help needed to sort this out and check the entire document over, c'mon you Lucy fans out there, there must be an American queen out there who knows this stuff, i'm a British queen and her impact here was much less, lol. -- Brideshead 17:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Another point is that a recent documentary on the History Channel states she was raised in Binghamton, New York. That's in the same ballpark as Jamestown.
Ball survived this encounter with the HUAC, naming no names. Well, most people survived. In fact, they all did. Can we re-phrase this sentence to make it a little less dramatic? 207.172.222.90 00:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I have just glanced at this Biography and find this lacking one major event. I do not see her Death of April 26, 1989 listed anywhere. Surely someone else has caught this too right? Any reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.13.105.138 ( talk • contribs)
(Different Surfer than that which posted directly above) Absolutely. I agree. It is the spookiest Wikipedia entry I have come across, and it is all in the present tense when we are talking about the biography of a dead female actress. What gives? Have I stumbled upon the Cult of Lucy by accident and spoiled the party?
-Just Wondering, Califonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.165.106.23 ( talk • contribs)
...many of them were not actually produced BY Desilu. "Make Room for Daddy", "Andy Griffith", "Dick Van Dyke", "I Spy" and others were Sheldon Leonard-produced shows which were filmed at Desilu Studios, and thus bore the logo in-credit. The others listed in that paragraph ("Our Miss Brooks", "The Untouchables", "Star Trek", "Mission: Impossible") were in fact from Desilu and/or its successor Paramount Television. ElCartero 05:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I was just curious as to why I keep seeing different versions of this article. They seem to change constantly. First it will say that she is still alive, and then it will say that she is dead? What gives? -- 172.162.129.51 18:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems like an out-of-place paragraph or two in the I Love Lucy section about the camerawork; while relevant to the show, has essentially nothing to do with Lucille Ball. should remove, I think. Personamb 03:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed:
"Ball named no names in her encounter with the HUAC."
How could she name names when she didn't know anyone to name? In order for that line to be valid, someone needs to show that she actually knew communists in Hollywood. There's no proof that she knew any communists in the industry. Also, is there evidence that she was even asked if she knew any communists in Hollywood by the HUAC? Hence the obvious deletion. Jtpaladin 23:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I<3Lucille Ball
See the above discussion about her death Talk:Lucille_Ball#Death.
Months later this page is still plagued with vandals adding/removing/changing information to make it appear she is still alive. Maybe this page should be semi-protected? akuyume T C 02:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Her nickname while at MGM in the 1940's was Technicolor Tessie as per many resources on the web including IMDB and TCM (www.tcm.com/thismonth/article/?cid=147380) Bjbyrne 19:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)bjbyrne
I was watching the Discovery Channel, on a documentary on Lucy and they said she haunts the RSM Queen Mary. There is nothing on the haunting on either page. Miranda 12:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
This trivia section was added to the article and I've removed it: some of it is already in the article, some things are inconsequential and it was full of typos. In any case this kind of section shouldn't appear in this fashion. Anything notable that isn't already in the piece can be integrated into appropriate places - that's why I moved it here. Tvoz | talk 07:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
And now this and more trivia was dumped into the article - again, much of the notable parts are already in the article, much is irrelevant. This is not how articles are written - if someone wants to take the notable material, source it, and piost it in appropriate places in the article that's fine. But unsourced infodumps do not belong here. Please discuss, don't just dump. Tvoz | talk 19:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Received the Women's International Center (WIC) Living Legacy Award posthumously in 1990.
Originally interred at Forest Lawn (Hollywood Hills), Los Angeles, California, USA, Columbarium of Radiant Dawn, Court of Remembrance. In 2003, she was re-interred in the Ball family plot in Lake View Cemetery, Jamestown, New York.
A comment from a member of the preview audience of Follow the Fleet (1936) about bit-player Ball: "You might give the tall gum chewing blonde more parts and see if she can't make the grade - a good gamble."
Ball and Barbara Pepper met early in their careers when they were both " Goldwyn Girls" and remained lifelong friends.
Mother of Lucie Arnaz and D esi Arnaz Jr..
During a Barbara Walter's interview, Jane Fonda claims that her father, Henry Fonda, was deeply in love with Lucille Ball and that the two were "very close" during the filming of Yours, Mine and Ours (1968).
Was the first woman to own her own film studio.
Born a brunette.
She signed her first promotional agreement with Max Factor in 1935 and again in 1942. Of all the stars, she had the longest association with the Max Factor company.
Once registered as a voter for the Communist party as a favor to her grandfather.
Lucy and her son, Desi Arnaz Jr., appeared together on the very first cover of " TV Guide" magazine in 1953.
Died the morning of April 26, 1989, the fifty-sixth birthday of her friend Carol Burnett. That afternoon Burnett received the flowers that Ball had ordered for her birthday.
During the 1933 filming of Roman Scandals (1933), young Lucille Ball, portraying a slave girl, needed to have her eyebrows entirely shaved off. They never grew back.
Before her movie career, Lucille was a model at H attie Carnegie's in New York. She mainly modeled heavy fur coats, because she was startlingly thin as a young lady.
Lucy and Desi Arnaz began " I Love Lucy" (1951) in the hopes of saving their crumbling marriage.
She was fired from working at an ice cream store because she kept forgetting to put bananas in banana splits
She put her Chesterfield cigarettes in a Phillip Morris package to please her sponsor (of the " I Love Lucy" (1951) show).
TV Guide picked her as the greatest TV star of all time.
Was one of the 20 original " Goldwyn Girls", along with Virginia Bruce; Ann Dvorak; P aulette Goddard and Betty Grable.
Born at 5:00 pm.
Second cousin of actress Suzan Ball.
For many years during their marriage, Lucy and Desi Arnaz hid the fact that she was six years older then him by splitting the difference in their ages. She (born in 1911) said she was born in 1914 and he (born in 1917) also said he was born in 1914.
Was known for a while as Dianne Belmont back when she was a model.
Pictured on a 34¢ USA commemorative postage stamp in the Legends of Hollywood series, issued 6 August 2001.
Inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame in 2002.
Her favorite movie she made was The Big Street (1942). Up to her dying day, she resented AMPAS for not recognizing her performance in the movie by including her for an Academy Award nomination.
One of her last television appearances was in 1989 on the 62nd Accademy Awards, with Bob Hope, announcing the nominations and winner of Best Picture.
Stricken by rheumatoid arthritis early in her modeling career and spent 2 years re-learning how to walk.
[[Filed for a divorce from husband Desi Arnaz, the day following the last day of filming " The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" (1957)]]. [[[3 March 1960]]]
Measurements: 33-22 1/2 -34 (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine).
Biography in: "Who's Who in Comedy" by Ronald L. Smith. pg. 35-37. New York: Facts on File, 1992. ISBN 0816023387.
Felt that she did not deserve the title of "Queen of Comedy" and felt that it belonged to her idol, Carole Lombard.
While still contemplating whether to do the " I Love Lucy" (1951) shows, she claimed that in her dream, Carole Lombard came to her and told her to "Give it a whirl".
[[Was Frank Sinatra's first choice for the role of Laurence Harvey's mother in The Manchurian Candidate (1962)]]. He was only dissuaded when John Frankenheimer took him to see Angela Lansbury in a play.
Disliked any false form of a bird, she preferred to see them in person so she banned all pictures of birds from her house and any hotel room she was staying in.
Had a superstition about the letters A and R, which is why her character was named Lucy RicARdo in " I Love Lucy" (1951); Lucy CARmichael in " The Lucy Show" (1962); Lucy CARter in " Here's Lucy" (1968) and Lucy BARker in " Life with Lucy" (1986) (she was also married to 'Desi ARnaz'). She believed she didn't have luck in her career until she changed her name to Arnaz.
First cousin of Cleo Morgan, though they were raised as sisters.
Related by marriage to Sid Gould.
Related by marriage to Vanda Barra.
Was of Irish, Scottish, French, and English descent.
Named the Greatest TV Star of All Time by TV Guide.
Suffered a miscarriage with her and Desi Arnaz's first child in 1942.
Suffered a second miscarriage with her and Desi Arnaz's second child in 1949.
Suffered third miscarriage in 1950 with husband Desi Arnaz.
Is portrayed by Gypsi DeYoung in The Scarlett O'Hara War (1980) (TV) and by Rachel York in Lucy (2003) (TV).
Comedian John Belushi was a fan of her and knew every detail of her life and career.
She was proud of her family and heritage. Her genealogy can be traced back to the earliest settlers in the colonies. One direct ancestor, William Sprague (1609-1675), left England on the ship " Lyon's Whelp" for Plymouth/Salem, Massachusetts. They were from Upwey, Dorsetshire, England. William, along with his 2 brothers, helped to found the city of Charlestown, Massachusetts. Other Sprague relatives became soldiers in the Revolutionary War and 2 of them became governors of the state of Rhode Island.
Lucy and Desi Arnaz were married a second time in 1946 in a church because his mother believed that the reason they didn't have children yet was because they were never married in the Catholic Church.
Lucy and Desi Arnaz were married at the Byram River Beagle Club in Connecticut in 1940.
Lucy filed for divorce from Desi Arnaz in the 1940s, but didn't go through with it because they reconciled.
Not long after the Arnazes bought their house on Roxbury Drive in Beverly Hills, it was featured in an episode of "I Love Lucy" (1951) (the one where Richard Widmark guest stars and she climbs over the fence to pick a grapefruit).
She named herself Diane Belmont after the Belmont racetrack in New York.
The day she first met Desi Arnaz, she had a black eye and a torn dress from filming a fight scene from the movie Dance, Girl, Dance (1940) and he didn't find her at all attractive until they met again later in the day when she had changed into her own clothes and makeup.
The original Desilu was Lucy and Desi's ranch in Chatsworth, CA. They named it after Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford's estate " Pickfair".
Was once known as the "Chesterfield Girl" because she was the spokesmodel for Chesterfield cigarettes.
Was tutored in comedy by Buster Keaton.
When they were first married in 1940, Desi Arnaz had to give Lucy a ring from a drugstore because all jewelry stores were closed. She wore it for the rest of their marriage.
Her biological father died when she was three years old.
Older sister of Fred Ball.
Is portrayed by Frances Fisher in Lucy & Desi: Before the Laughter (1991) (TV).
Lucille's younger brother, Fred Ball (1915-2007), moved from their hometown of Jamestown, New York, to join Lucy in Hollywood in the 1930s. Fred often accompanied Desi's band on tour during the 40s and 50s, and also worked at Lucy and Desi's Desilu Productions sitting on the Board of Directors. In later years, Fred and his wife Zo operated a motel in Cottonwood, Arizona, where he died. Fred also shared the same birthday as his niece Lucie Arnaz.
In Italy, her films were often dubbed by Lidia Simoneschi or Wanda Tettoni, notably in the hilarious The Long, Long Trailer (1954). She was occasionally dubbed by Rosetta Calavetta, Dhia Cristiani, Rina Morelli and Renata Marini (in Stage Door (1937)).
Was in frail health following a heart attack in May 1988.
In 1966, it was reported in an annual stockholder's meeting that Lucille Ball's salary as President of Desilu Productions ( 1962- 1967)was $100,000. Her acting fees for 1966 were $130,172.
He can't be a descendant of George Washington, as he had no children. I'm editting this to reflect that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.170.228 ( talk) 21:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 10:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What's with the high-handed deletions of material without explanation? I mean, I suppose it's your right to behave like an imperious twit, but really -- deleting sourced material without a word of explanation? For apparently no other reason than to feed your own vanity? ('Cause apparently if you didn't write it, it doesn't deserve a place in this article...)
Got a problem with a sourced, easily verifiable piece of material? Fine. Identify the nature of the problem, and make your argument against it. If enough people agree with you, out it goes. Heck, maybe you've got a really strong argument that will get us thinking "Hey, y'know, that Canyouhearmenow is actually a pretty clever person...." 192.30.202.20 ( talk) 20:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, everyone. Let me just be upfront about it. When I first came to this site, the lead was in bad, bad shape. To say the grammar left a lot to be desired might be the understatement of the decade (I don't mean to be insult theh original author, but many changes were significant. Please, if you have been actively involved in the creation and/or maintenance of this article. I hope everyone understands that I had no intention to step on toes. We are all in this project together, and my goal is verifiable, encyclopedic content. Thanks! "Yes... It's Raining" 09:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Congrats on the well-deserved GA on this very notable subject. Hope to see it soon at FAC! JGHowes talk - 04:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I added Category:Television preservation due to her importance to the matter, since she is known to of played a part in showing the value of such act. Retro Agnostic ( talk) 19:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Under the Early Life and Career section, there was a section about Lucy appearing in some of the old Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers' movies. Part of this paragraph reads, "She can also be seen as one of the featured models in the Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers film "Roberta" (1935) and briefly as the flower girl in another Astaire-Rogers 1935 film, "Top Hat," where she met her lifelong friend, Ginger Rogers."
This is incorrect. Lucy is a distant cousin of Rogers on her mother's side of the family, therefore, saying that they "met" on set, is a bit misleading. So I edited this and changed the end to "Ginger Rogers was a distant cousin of Lucille's through her mother's side" as well as added the movie "Follow the Fleet," as Lucy also had a brief role in that.
I left in the referance used, although I have no idea where the person who originaly wrote this section got the idea that Lucy and Ginger met on the set of "Roberta" and where "friends" thereafter, as nowhere in the article referanced does it say that. Only that "...she [Lucy] wound up appearing in over 60 movies with such established stars such as Katherine Hepburn, Ginger Rogers and Bob Hope (who was later to become a life long friend)." However, this suggest her relationship as a good friend of Bob Hope, not Ginger Rogers. So, while I did leave the reference in that section, feel free to remove it, as I don't see how it even relates and doesn't really need to be there.
~Pink Moonlight (December 4, 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pink Moonlight ( talk • contribs) 12:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I looked around and found a reference stating Rogers and Ball being distant cousins, according to Lucy's daughter. So I added a reference link to that.
Pink Moonlight ( talk) 09:32, 17 October 2010 (UTC)Pink Moonlight
Why is Madeline Jane Dee listed as one of Lucy and Desi's children in one section of this article? That has never been substantiated, since no one in the Arnaz family will consent to DNA testing.
I see that a scan of a letter personally signed by Lucille Ball was removed because one person thought that it had "no importance to the article". Couldn't we discuss this in a forum before permanently deep-sixing this?
Maybe it is not of "vital importance" to the article, but Lucille Ball was - and continues to be - one of the world's most beloved personalities, and it certainly adds interest and appeal to the article. I thought I was being very generous to donate that from my private collection for public domain, and to have it immediately axed, because one person didn't think it was important, was kind of a nasty and insulting slap in the face.
Have you seen how much trouble and rigamorole it is to get copyright to publish photos in Wikimedia Commons? I signed away the rights and donated that for public domain because I thought it would be of historical interest to Lucy's fans. How many people do you know who have a letter from Lucille Ball? OK, it was typed by her secretary, Wanda Clark, but that is Lucy's actual signature. Does everything have to be essential to an article? Can't we leave it in to show that Lucille Ball truly cared about her fans, and personally responded to their letters? And that's why she stayed on top for so long? And continues to be, even after her death? And has left a legacy that is continuing to thrive because she cared about her fans?
I think that letter is of unique historical interest, and should be reconsidered for inclusion in the article. This article is not exactly cluttered with unnecessary photos, and certainly this one item of interest could remain, and the sun will still rise in the east tomorrow. JGKlein ( talk) 04:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a good compromise to me. Kennethjiles ( talk) 13:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
But Lucille Ball is named Lucille Ball, NOT Steve Yelle! People are so weird like this on Wikipedia. I know her on I Love Lucy but I don't like weird names for girls like Steve Yelle! What's that supposed to mean?
71.254.1.102 ( talk) 04:10, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry folks for my little edit fest. I just wanted to add in a blurb about her being recognized with the Google Doodle, but I made an error with my wiki markup, and correcting it was a pain because I ran into the spam filter for an old link to medaloffreedom.com, which I visited and it really is spam. I replaced the citation with a link I found from the List of Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients page. After monkeying around with it for twenty minutes I managed to get everything back to more or less normal. Sorry for mucking it up on a day that this page is probably getting more traffic than usual... -- —Cliffb ( talk) 07:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
This paragraph's material does not appear to be contained in the attributed sources:
The material is presented in this source pg 22-28 but some of the details are different. She dated him at 14 which would have been 1925 or 1926, DeVita's father was rumored to be in illegal activity, but the source says nothing about organized crime, her mother attemped to stop the dating at various times, and her mother raised money to send Lucy to the school. I didn't find the quotation "had no future at all as a performer." in a source that predates this Wikipedia article. I am not well versed in the sources for her so maybe someone who is can attibute to the right sources or change some wording. Ward20 ( talk) 01:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
The "File:LucyEthel I Love Lucy.png" is a good photo but from a copyright material. So I wonder if File:Lucy wins racehorse 1958.JPG could replace the other photo. there are other photos uploaded by We hope which are good use. -- Gh87 ( talk) 15:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Clearly the citations in this article need some maintenance: some appear multiple times, others appear both in the references and further reading, quite possibly there are other problems too. I will start cleaning the article up. There are of course lots of different ways of "cleaning an article up". If you particularly wish to do it differently, just say so and you can take over: as long as the article ends up tidy. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
There were several different ways of citing Kanfer 2003 in the article, confusing both for the reader and the editor. I have converted a couple of citations to start with, to the {{
sfn}}
template and friends consistently, which play nicely with the {{
cite web}}
and friends templates already used in the article. The short references are now "Kanfer 2003 p. 24." instead of "Kanfer, page 24" etc (p. and page, terminal full stop were already used inconsistently in the article so this does not count as a change of maintained style) and the citations are sorted by author surname which is helpful for the reader once short form references are used. While doing this I corrected the spelling of Lucille's name and added an ISBN, so it is clear that this exercise will bring more than just cosmetic changes. --
Mirokado (
talk) 00:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I have now dealt with most of the multiple citations. I have noticed that there is misuse of the quote parameter for a summary of what the reference refers to, instead of a direct quote from the source. It should already be clear from the article text what the reference is supporting so in most cases this additional material can be removed. If necessary I will update the article text as well. There is also a problem with google book links which point only to a top-level summary of the book: google book search is personalised, meaning to that one person's search link is useless for anyone else. If we provide full publishing details it is easy for someone to search for any on-line book contents. As I go through the article I will make other changes for general consistency. -- Mirokado ( talk) 02:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I've started looking at the problematical quote parameters. The first ref I looked at [1] does not contain any of the information it is being used to support, so I have replaced it by a tag (I'll try to find suitable refs too). It is a good potential reference nevertheless, so I will leave it here for now. -- Mirokado ( talk) 21:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
I've removed a reference to tribe.com: "78,509 free, member-created groups for every interest - discussions, photos, listings and more", which is not a reliable source, and replaced it by three {{
cn}}
for now. Also removed content which failed verification in November 2011 and added a new failed verification tag.
I've also started to move ref definitions used more than once to the reference list. This means we can find a definition referred to by name in a predictable place. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:24, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the following, which was sourced from a site which itself copies this article: "Ball's business instincts were often astonishingly sharp, and her love for Arnaz was passionate, but her relationships with her children were sometimes strained. Lucie Arnaz, her daughter, spoke of her mother's "controlling" nature." This can be restored if we can find a reliable independent source for it. -- Mirokado ( talk) 13:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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Not mentioned here is the 1954 movie 'The Long,Long Trailer' distributed by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and starred Lucille Ball, Desi Arnaz, Marjorie Main, and Keenan Wynn. Musicwriter ( talk) 03:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC) [1]
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This article is missing some footnotes. This could be remedied, or else it may put its GA status at risk. Anything else I'm missing? -- George Ho ( talk) 05:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This appears to have been abandoned by the nominator so I will close it. No real reason concerning the GA criteria has been given for delisting so I will close it as keep.
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There is no information supported by reliable sources within this article stating that Ball was a Vaudeville performer. She was in a number of Broadway productions before the success of her television show, but so far as I can tell from the article she did not tour and was not part of the vaudeville circuits in the US. If a Category is added to an article, it must be supported by the article itself, not by what readers or editors think could be, might be, or must the (unverified) truth. If you think Ball was a Vaudeville performer, then please discuss it here on this page along with your sources first before reverting the present version. Thank you. Shearonink ( talk) 07:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Write your favorite I LOVE LUCY episode! And please explain why. Also write the best part of the episode.
I'll start: I love the episode where Lucy makes wine, and she's stomping around in the grapes. I love it when the natives were commenting on how big her feet were and Lucy was wrestling in the grapes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.106.0.252 ( talk) 17:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The lead is too long. It should be 4 normal sized paragraphs at most (see MOS:LEAD). Anyone want to take a go at trimming it? FurrySings ( talk) 15:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Earlier this morning, I cut passages relating to the new production methods utilised on the show believing them to be inappropriate here. The material did not seem to be strongly enough related to Lucille Ball herself, and were substantially longer than the mentions The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy currently have in this article. I have checked the linked articles on Arnaz, Freund and the three-camera set-up, and moved relevant details and citations to the I Love Lucy article where they seem most appropriate. Philip Cross ( talk) 10:27, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
According to an episode of Bill Stern's Sports Newsreel radio show, Lucy drove in an automobile race, and was involved in a crash that was caught on newsreel cameras. And this led to her getting a Hollywood screen test. I'm not totally sure I got the details right, but Lucy herself appeared on the show to confirm Stern's story. But I don't seem to see anything else to support it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.55.235.203 ( talk) 01:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Given the importance of Desi Arnaz in Lucille Ball's life, I would think there would be more information on this page about how they met. "Ball had met and eloped with Cuban bandleader Desi Arnaz in 1940" on this page and "He went to Hollywood the next year to appear in the show's movie version at RKO, which starred Lucille Ball. Arnaz and Ball married on November 30, 1940." on Desi's page seems a little weak. Kjpires ( talk) 19:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC) kjpires
While Ball did register as a communist to please her grandfather she was never active in any socialist or communist organization. Should she really be labeled as an American socialist in the categories the bottom of the page? Bjoh249 ( talk) 08:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
It would be good if we had a photo of her when she was young, like this one I happened across on Flickr. Sca ( talk) 13:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
There are numerous passages containing "and she" ("... the company that Arnaz and she formed") and other poorly constructed sentences. Can somebody fix these? I am not a regular enough contributor with the time or the fortitude. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinbirk ( talk • contribs) 15:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Some sources claim Ball had a sister:
Still others say she thought/called her cousin, her sister:
There's much more, but that's the general idea. X4n6 ( talk) 05:52, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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A recent edit changed her birthplace from Jamestown, NY to Celoron, NY. The cited source says Jamestown. Her autobiography [5] says she was born in her grandparents home on Stewart Ave in Jamestown. Most references I have read place her birth in 60 Stewart Ave Jamestown and one or two in a suburb of Jamestown. 60 Stewart Ave seems to be somewhere between Jamestown and Celoron, NY. Anyone have a definitive answer? Ward20 ( talk) 07:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Stewart Ave, now Lucy Lane is according to this map:
located in the south-west corner of Celoron NY bounded on the west and south by the town of Jamestown West. Celoron was incorporated in 1896 before her birth and there is no indication its boundaries changed since then. The Jamestown boundary is about 1.5 km to the east of her home. The reliable sources are not so reliable when the maps prove otherwise. 60 Lucy Lane is across the street from 69 Lucy Lane and both addresses are in Celoron. The article can and should state she was born in Celoron NY, a suburb of Jamestown. This way both towns are mentioned and everyone should be happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ametrica ( talk • contribs) 14:11, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, then Wikipedia is wrong and that would mean Wikipedia is not a reliable source.
The statement "Ball was outspoken against the relationship her son had with actress Patty Duke" is a head-scratcher without additional context. What year, for instance, did this relationship take place; how old were Desi Jr. and Patty at the time (I know she's several years older than he is)? What, at least briefly, were Lucy's issues with it? Someone please clarify these points in the article. 2601:545:8202:4EA5:A09C:DAE3:6B0B:9954 ( talk) 01:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Dance, Girl, Dance 1940 110.175.82.149 ( talk) 16:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
If the text refers to her "socialist grandfather", we should be told who he is and something about him. I think he's omitted from the discussion of her family, even though he's supposed to have influence over her into her 20s...-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Originally, Lucy's name was billed on I Love Lucy as Lucille O'Ball. Later the O' was dropped. I can't find any references to this, but I saw it on the original show. I'm curious what the facts are and why the change was made. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstone2 ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Well that is demonstrably false. You are misremembering. Also, you don't have any sources which makes your claim more dubious. She was always known as Lucille Ball in both her personal and professional lives. I don't know how old you are, whether you would have watched the program as a child or not, but I can assure you that you're wrong. And I don't mean that coldly, but what you remember is simply not so. The brave celery ( talk) 02:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
she decided in the last moment of the show to let people think desi was silly.. she had 2 openings ready. one where desi enters and she says hi.. the other where he enters she doesnt notice it and he covers her eyes from beind with a big GUESS WHO.then she guesses various names until he gets angry and says its me ricky .she had planned the first one to avoid audience thinking ricky was silly but after she descivered his cheated on her she decided to get even and film the smart ricky version badly so as to eliminate it and then make well the version where desi appears silly and where she references cheating by naming men who might also enter without knocking.she took charge of the desilu company at that moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.27.25 ( talk) 08:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
The article's reference to her appearance on the Dick Cavett show has a "Citation needed" tag. Here's are a couple of citations, in case someone wants to add it. I'd add a citation myself, but I'm shaky in my knowledge of how to create references. Omc ( talk) 16:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6824580/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfksOIWQVDA&t=2s
Near the top of the page, it states "The next year, she starred in Life with Lucy, which was, unlike her other sitcoms, not well-received; the show was cancelled after three months." Under "1980s" it states "Her 1986 sitcom comeback Life with Lucy, costarring her longtime foil Gale Gordon and co-produced by Ball, Gary Morton, and prolific producer Aaron Spelling, was cancelled less than two months into its run by ABC.". Which is correct? RRicci428 ( talk) 14:46, 26 February 2022 (UTC)