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In 2011 the user
Olorin12000 disputed the statement of all secondary sources I know, to the effect that Madame Vestris played Camille at the
Théâtre-Français to
François-Joseph Talma's
Horace in 1816/1817. According to this user "the mistake derived from a misreading of Talma's Mémoires where the actor recalls an episode in which a Madame Vestris - not Eliza Vestris, as she was born several years later, but
Françoise-Marie-Rosette Gourgaud, who married
Angiolo Vestris - played Camille to his Horace in 1785." The alleged source, however, Talma's own
autobiography, just relates he had dressed as Brutus (and not as Horace) scandalizing Madame Vestris with his nude legs. By no means does such a source seem able to corroborate the user's writing that Lucia Vestris and Talma's interpretation of Horace "has never happened". It seems, on the contrary, an
original research of his own, which appears to be totally groundless unless further sources are given.--
Jeanambr (
talk) 15:31, 21 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Having
Olorin12000 e-mailed me her sources, I have accordingly modified the article and removed the templates I had added. I hope some willing one may soon copyedit my poor English.--
Jeanambr (
talk) 14:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Vestris's second marriage
An anonymous user's statement to the effect that Madame Vestris "only married again after her disastrous early experience with Vestris when the American authorities forced her to in order to allow her to bring her tour across their borders", appears inconsistent with Jacky Bratton's in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. According to the latter Vestris and Mathews just "married at Kensington church, having accepted a tour in America, under the management of Stephen Price, to repair their finances." The anonymous statement seems substantially unsourced, giving only a general reference to Pearce's biography (see
here Pearce's actual statements about the marriage) and originally to Charles Molloy's book cited in the section "Further reading".--
Jeanambr (
talk) 09:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)reply
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In 2011 the user
Olorin12000 disputed the statement of all secondary sources I know, to the effect that Madame Vestris played Camille at the
Théâtre-Français to
François-Joseph Talma's
Horace in 1816/1817. According to this user "the mistake derived from a misreading of Talma's Mémoires where the actor recalls an episode in which a Madame Vestris - not Eliza Vestris, as she was born several years later, but
Françoise-Marie-Rosette Gourgaud, who married
Angiolo Vestris - played Camille to his Horace in 1785." The alleged source, however, Talma's own
autobiography, just relates he had dressed as Brutus (and not as Horace) scandalizing Madame Vestris with his nude legs. By no means does such a source seem able to corroborate the user's writing that Lucia Vestris and Talma's interpretation of Horace "has never happened". It seems, on the contrary, an
original research of his own, which appears to be totally groundless unless further sources are given.--
Jeanambr (
talk) 15:31, 21 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Having
Olorin12000 e-mailed me her sources, I have accordingly modified the article and removed the templates I had added. I hope some willing one may soon copyedit my poor English.--
Jeanambr (
talk) 14:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Vestris's second marriage
An anonymous user's statement to the effect that Madame Vestris "only married again after her disastrous early experience with Vestris when the American authorities forced her to in order to allow her to bring her tour across their borders", appears inconsistent with Jacky Bratton's in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. According to the latter Vestris and Mathews just "married at Kensington church, having accepted a tour in America, under the management of Stephen Price, to repair their finances." The anonymous statement seems substantially unsourced, giving only a general reference to Pearce's biography (see
here Pearce's actual statements about the marriage) and originally to Charles Molloy's book cited in the section "Further reading".--
Jeanambr (
talk) 09:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)reply