![]() | As this is really a move proposal and debate dried up nine days ago, now seems as good a time as any to go ahead and close it. After reviewing not just the remarks here but in the other threads on this page I can't actually say I see a clear consensus due to low participation in this discussion. However, as with everything in Wikipedia articles, we should go with what the sources say and a convincing argument has been made that more sources use the term "Lower Assam". The contention that this is somehow insulting seems to have been made up and is not relevant anyway. Therefore the result of this discussion is no page move, meaning it will continue to be a " Lower Assam." Usage in the article text should probably be consistent in reflecting the actual page title, it is explained in the lead that it is also called Western Assam, one mention is sufficient. (I am also planning to archive most of the threads above as the page is needlessly cluttered with subthreads, repeated arguments, and sockpuppet comments.) Beeblebrox ( talk) 17:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Discussion seems to be stalling and going around in circles here, so I'm opening an RfC to open the issue to a wider audience. Although I recommend that commentators read the talkpage threads above, as well as the discussion at the RS noticeboard
here, I will summarise the two positions as briefly as I can:
Arguments made in favour of Western Assam:
Arguments made in favour of Lower Assam
Thank you in advance for your input. Yunshui 雲 水 12:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Also, please be aware that this discussion may not move forward because
User:Kurmaa has been blocked indefinitely for violating Wikipedia policies (
WP:EVASION), and his sock puppet, User:130.65.109.101, has been blocked for a month.
Chaipau (
talk)
15:23, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Mussal ( talk) 18:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
It is important for everyone to know that the term "LOWER ASSAM" was used in official documents by the British Government before 1947 CE, and it is still used in the official records and documents of Government of Assam. The term Upper Assam and Lower Assam was used by British, to denote the regions lying in the upstreams of River
Brahmaputra and to the regions lying in the downstreams of the River
Brahmaputra. No one in Assam considers the term "Lower Assam" as derogatory. This complain against this term was first lodge in Wikipedia by User Kurmaa. The User Kurmaa had made an unnecessary hue and cry over this issue. While in reality, no one in Assam has any problem with the term "Lower Assam". Even in this article Lower Assam, almost a major part of historical events were skipped, providing very less and wrong information regarding Lower Assam. It will create a wrong impression of Lower Assam among the readers around the world. All the historical records and present day official documents will support the term Lower Assam. Therefore i would request the members of Wikipedia community, not to encourage any comments which are not supported by any historical or official documents. From the comments of the User Kurmaa, one can easily assume how desperate the user is to prove his point, which in reality doesnot existed. The User even used derogatory terms againsy Ahom community, a clear sign of disturbed mind and racial hatred.
Lachitbarphukan (
talk)
17:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 18:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Lower Assam → Western Assam – This article is about western part of Brahmaputra Valley, consistently referred by scholars as Western Assam not Lower Assam because Lower Assam Division (name of a division) historically contains central Assam as well as hills in Meghalaya state which were never part of Western Brahmaputra Valley. Relisted. BDD ( talk) 19:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC) भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 19:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Nomenclature ambiguity - please refer to above section and any related archive.
Western Assam is a "region" name.
Scholars have been consistently using this name (not Lower Assam) to refer western "region" of the Brahmaputra Valley.
This is also the region where a particular ethnic people are concentrated.
Lower Assam is a "division" name.
This division is one that frequently added to or removed from. For this "division" you have the Lower Assam Division article.
![]() | As this is really a move proposal and debate dried up nine days ago, now seems as good a time as any to go ahead and close it. After reviewing not just the remarks here but in the other threads on this page I can't actually say I see a clear consensus due to low participation in this discussion. However, as with everything in Wikipedia articles, we should go with what the sources say and a convincing argument has been made that more sources use the term "Lower Assam". The contention that this is somehow insulting seems to have been made up and is not relevant anyway. Therefore the result of this discussion is no page move, meaning it will continue to be a " Lower Assam." Usage in the article text should probably be consistent in reflecting the actual page title, it is explained in the lead that it is also called Western Assam, one mention is sufficient. (I am also planning to archive most of the threads above as the page is needlessly cluttered with subthreads, repeated arguments, and sockpuppet comments.) Beeblebrox ( talk) 17:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC) |
{{rfc|hist|rfcid=85E16A7}}
Discussion seems to be stalling and going around in circles here, so I'm opening an RfC to open the issue to a wider audience. Although I recommend that commentators read the talkpage threads above, as well as the discussion at the RS noticeboard
here, I will summarise the two positions as briefly as I can:
Arguments made in favour of Western Assam:
Arguments made in favour of Lower Assam
Thank you in advance for your input. Yunshui 雲 水 12:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Also, please be aware that this discussion may not move forward because
User:Kurmaa has been blocked indefinitely for violating Wikipedia policies (
WP:EVASION), and his sock puppet, User:130.65.109.101, has been blocked for a month.
Chaipau (
talk)
15:23, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Mussal ( talk) 18:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
It is important for everyone to know that the term "LOWER ASSAM" was used in official documents by the British Government before 1947 CE, and it is still used in the official records and documents of Government of Assam. The term Upper Assam and Lower Assam was used by British, to denote the regions lying in the upstreams of River
Brahmaputra and to the regions lying in the downstreams of the River
Brahmaputra. No one in Assam considers the term "Lower Assam" as derogatory. This complain against this term was first lodge in Wikipedia by User Kurmaa. The User Kurmaa had made an unnecessary hue and cry over this issue. While in reality, no one in Assam has any problem with the term "Lower Assam". Even in this article Lower Assam, almost a major part of historical events were skipped, providing very less and wrong information regarding Lower Assam. It will create a wrong impression of Lower Assam among the readers around the world. All the historical records and present day official documents will support the term Lower Assam. Therefore i would request the members of Wikipedia community, not to encourage any comments which are not supported by any historical or official documents. From the comments of the User Kurmaa, one can easily assume how desperate the user is to prove his point, which in reality doesnot existed. The User even used derogatory terms againsy Ahom community, a clear sign of disturbed mind and racial hatred.
Lachitbarphukan (
talk)
17:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 18:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Lower Assam → Western Assam – This article is about western part of Brahmaputra Valley, consistently referred by scholars as Western Assam not Lower Assam because Lower Assam Division (name of a division) historically contains central Assam as well as hills in Meghalaya state which were never part of Western Brahmaputra Valley. Relisted. BDD ( talk) 19:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC) भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 19:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Nomenclature ambiguity - please refer to above section and any related archive.
Western Assam is a "region" name.
Scholars have been consistently using this name (not Lower Assam) to refer western "region" of the Brahmaputra Valley.
This is also the region where a particular ethnic people are concentrated.
Lower Assam is a "division" name.
This division is one that frequently added to or removed from. For this "division" you have the Lower Assam Division article.