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This page could use a list of well-known hymns that Lowell Mason wrote. At the moment, the page only tells us that "many of [his hymns] are often sung today". If one reads later on, one finds that "Joy to the world" is possibly a Mason hymn, but one really has to dig for this. If he is associated with songs that are that well known, this should be made more prominent. 75.167.202.76 ( talk) 01:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I think a list of his collections might be just a valuable, perhaps under a "List of Works" heading. Many of those collections are now available through GoogleBooks, IMSLP, CPDL, and other sources. A list of individual hymns might be very long. Baldwin1907 ( talk) 01:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I want to preface this by saying that I don't know which of these points of view is correct, but — Currently, the article's assessment of Mason's impact and significance is basically summed up in: "he radically transformed American church music from a practice of having professional choirs and accompaniment to congregational singing accompanied by organ music." However, this legacy is not uncontroversial, and what is particularly striking to me is that the other point of view seems to disagree, not just about whether the change was good, but about what the change, in fact, was. A highly opinionated commentator on the other side of the disagreement says Mason "bequeath[ed] the Protestant Church in the Atlantic states its long, sad heritage of hired soloists, paid choirs, and shamefaced congregational mumbling." [1] This seems diametrically opposed to the conclusion of the current Assessment section of the article, that "Mason personally changed his view from imagining that church congregations were reluctant to sing to vigorously promoting congregational singing. He eliminated all professional musicians save the organist." The reasoning of the under-represented group of critics seems to be highly motivated by their partisanship for shape note singing, which Mason is acknowledged by both sides to have plaid a large part in driving out of the mainstream. The current article does address this aspect of Mason's legacy in the Assessment section, but in a somewhat veiled way, and probably over-representing the pro-Mason point of view. (Impressively, it does so while attributing to Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, the only "source" it names, but does not actually cite, a critical view of this aspect of Mason's legacy.) The partisans of both sides probably go to far, particularly since several Lowell Mason compositions appear in The Sacred Harp [2], but the current article at a minimum fails to report on the dispute, and probably as neutrality issues. Liberalartist ( talk) 16:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
In trying to very the above I discovered that I could not find support for some "sourced" claims made in the Assessment section. (I use sourced broadly here, since sources are named in the text itself, but are not actually cited.) Two examples:
There are several other statements like "is given credit" that may ambiguously be invoking the Grove, and there are plenty of statements that are just unsourced by any standard, but for the moment I'm focused on the statements that are explicitly attributed to someone, but that I can't verify. Some of the issues:
Liberalartist ( talk) 17:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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This page could use a list of well-known hymns that Lowell Mason wrote. At the moment, the page only tells us that "many of [his hymns] are often sung today". If one reads later on, one finds that "Joy to the world" is possibly a Mason hymn, but one really has to dig for this. If he is associated with songs that are that well known, this should be made more prominent. 75.167.202.76 ( talk) 01:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I think a list of his collections might be just a valuable, perhaps under a "List of Works" heading. Many of those collections are now available through GoogleBooks, IMSLP, CPDL, and other sources. A list of individual hymns might be very long. Baldwin1907 ( talk) 01:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I want to preface this by saying that I don't know which of these points of view is correct, but — Currently, the article's assessment of Mason's impact and significance is basically summed up in: "he radically transformed American church music from a practice of having professional choirs and accompaniment to congregational singing accompanied by organ music." However, this legacy is not uncontroversial, and what is particularly striking to me is that the other point of view seems to disagree, not just about whether the change was good, but about what the change, in fact, was. A highly opinionated commentator on the other side of the disagreement says Mason "bequeath[ed] the Protestant Church in the Atlantic states its long, sad heritage of hired soloists, paid choirs, and shamefaced congregational mumbling." [1] This seems diametrically opposed to the conclusion of the current Assessment section of the article, that "Mason personally changed his view from imagining that church congregations were reluctant to sing to vigorously promoting congregational singing. He eliminated all professional musicians save the organist." The reasoning of the under-represented group of critics seems to be highly motivated by their partisanship for shape note singing, which Mason is acknowledged by both sides to have plaid a large part in driving out of the mainstream. The current article does address this aspect of Mason's legacy in the Assessment section, but in a somewhat veiled way, and probably over-representing the pro-Mason point of view. (Impressively, it does so while attributing to Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, the only "source" it names, but does not actually cite, a critical view of this aspect of Mason's legacy.) The partisans of both sides probably go to far, particularly since several Lowell Mason compositions appear in The Sacred Harp [2], but the current article at a minimum fails to report on the dispute, and probably as neutrality issues. Liberalartist ( talk) 16:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
In trying to very the above I discovered that I could not find support for some "sourced" claims made in the Assessment section. (I use sourced broadly here, since sources are named in the text itself, but are not actually cited.) Two examples:
There are several other statements like "is given credit" that may ambiguously be invoking the Grove, and there are plenty of statements that are just unsourced by any standard, but for the moment I'm focused on the statements that are explicitly attributed to someone, but that I can't verify. Some of the issues:
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