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MBV is commonly named an Anglo-Irish group, just look at it's homepage on this website. And yet I find myself wrestling to keep that information on the site with someone I realise to be something of an Irish nationalist who has claimed Kevin Sheilds for Ireland (despite the fact he has constantly been called American) and with it the entire band... despite half the group being British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.19.27 ( talk) 19:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This part should be looked into. In "Loveless 33 1/3" is is said that Colm couldn't use his legs and he was very sick. Its really more than just a broken arm, like this article makes it seem.
I agree, when I read the 33 1/3 book it made me wonder whether he could have suffered from Guillain-Barré syndrome. Pierremegevand ( talk) 11:15, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I was skeptical about putting the EPs (e.g., Tremolo and Glider) into the chronology, but I referred to the Albums WikiProject discussion on the topic, and adhered to the comments therein. I was also skeptical about whether they could actually be considered EPs and not singles, but Kevin Shields has considered them such in an interview, as have others. ShaneCavanaugh 18:08, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)
EPs are EPs. Albums are albums. Even if Kevin Shields feels differently. PetSounds 16:28 June 19, 2005
That wasn't the point. Regardless, I'll just mention the EPs in the article. ShaneCavanaugh 21:44, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)
Already done. PetSounds 18:02 June 19, 2005
reproduced from User_talk:ShaneCavanaugh
- A proposal, then:
I reckon these could be added, the first pinpointing the reason why it gets so much attention (which is ultimately not its quality, but its uniqueness) and offering a general notion of what the thing actually sounds like, which I reckon is appropriate in encyclopedic terms, while the second exposes the album's status as a, as I've said, holy cow of sorts, mildly explaining why and how it gets the sort of attention it gets.
With some tweaking, and appropriate changes to the present text, would these be appropriate pieces of text (as actual sections, that is)? Zeppocity 20:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely. It will be, at the very least, a good start for future edits. ShaneCavanaugh 01:10, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
I think the cover is actually both a Jazzmaster (big pickup) and Jaguar(small pickup below) exposed on the same frame
This whole article needs a complete rewrite which I will complete when I have more time. In the short term I have slightly trimmed the text. If Zeppocity can post a link to a single published critic who "dismissed the record as a work of pointless, repetitive noise and mediocre composition" I will revert the text which is otherwise ostensibly his/her own opinion. Regardless of Zeppocity's opinion, Loveless is widely considered to be part of the western canon and has never received a bad review. Terwilliger 00:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
This site says there was a 2003 remaster, and there is one listed here on Amazon as having a 2005 release.
However, reading the reviews on Amazon suggests that it may not have been a remaster at all.
Any one have more info on this?
All the links to Pitchfork media (regarding being on the top 100 album of the 90's) are broken. With a quick search I couldn't find exactly what they were trying to point to so I thought I'd just leave this comment. Regards, Karih 13:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The article says it is a Jazzmaster, which it might be judging by the large pickups. However, look at the circular inlays - that's a Jaguar fretboard.
To compare the two - on the left is a '66 Jaguar, on the right is a '69 Jazzmaster: http://www.ggjaguar.com/jagjmast.jpg
It might be a modified guitar. Whatever. This is pointless. NIRVANA2764 14:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
>> Many Jazzmasters have circular inlays.
In fact it's a double exposure of a Jazzmaster AND a Jaguar together taken from one of the music videos. The Jazzmaster is a Japanese reissue that belonged to Shields' sister according to rumor and was used for the music video (and subsequently, the cover), I had this guitar in my possession for a while but sold it off because it was an unplayable piece of junk compared to a genuine vintage one. Cheesebot 13:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Shields has said that the rumours about the record costing £250,000 and nearly breaking Creation Records are "100% lies": There's info in an interview here: tinyurl.com/3cadwz PlazzTT 20:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The Notes paragraph to which a lot of citations link to is missing.
I read somewhere that the Loveless banner/play passing reference (see the intro of the game) in Final Fantasy 7 was in homage to this album. Is this true, can it be confirmed with a source? It'd be interesting under a "trivia" section. 71.111.112.58 08:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Why does this article describe the band as having a nationality, and on what is that declaration based? This appears to my eye to violate WP:NPOV. Hiding T 13:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If no one minds I'm going to redirect discussion of this matter to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative music since it bears upon all My Bloody Valentine articles (and in the case of this article, it really only impacts one or two words in the lead). WesleyDodds ( talk) 23:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
From: "The genesis of Creation They began with a loan, almost ended in bankruptcy and made a deal with Sony. But over their 10 years, Alan McGee's Creation records has been at the edge of indie music" The Guardian (Manchester); Feb 25, 1994; CAROLINE SULLIVAN;
(Copyright Guardian Newspapers, Limited Feb 25, 1994)
After the Jesus And Mary Chain had departed for a lucrative deal at WEA, McGee spent the rest of the eighties signing bands and allowing them to spend as much as they liked making records. My Bloody Valentine, whose oeuvre is trance-inducing free-form noise, spent around pounds 250,000 on one album. "Twice we came very close to bankruptcy. Both times it was just stupidity. Then I discovered CDs, House Of Love {back-to-basics guitar poppers} and Ride {shoegazing teen idols}, and they and the Primals album bailed me out. We had a turnover of pounds 600,000 a year up until 1989, and 250 per cent jumps in turnover since then. We were running a pounds 5 million-a-year business like a pounds 500,000 one. Almost going bankrupt made us realise you need cashflows, year plans."
Per request for contemporary reviews:
"My Bloody Valentine is the seminal band in the dream-pop genre, which is beginning to invade the States from across the Big Pond. The frequently catchy riffs and melodies, as well as the limpid vocals, come swathed in thick layers of distortion. The combination certainly has its energizing moments--To Here Knows When sounds like a swarm of electronic bees circling your head--but to me this stuff more often seems like nasty canned music." Givens, Ron Stereo Review v57, n6 (June, 1992):88
Also have the Maker review. Will try and track down Spin another day. Hiding T 14:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've added the Melody Maker review and hid the New York Times review with invisible text tags until we decide if we want to do anything with it. WesleyDodds 10:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Re Googe formed the supergroup Snowpony in 1996[46] and had also been sighted working as a cab driver in London. Just curious as to the phrasing there. Googe definitely cabbied prior to forming Snow Pony. Hiding T 16:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This article's good article nomination has been placed on hold. The following are notes as to how the article stacks up against the GA criteria. When you have satisifed the requests below, please contact me on my talk page so that the article can be reviewed, and hopefully passed as a good article. If the requests are not dealt with within 7 days, the nomination may fail. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 01:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Reviewed version: [2] Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 01:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I've got slightly different text in Mojo for the Mark Kemp quote. Is the Cavanagh source a quote? Mojo run it from "After three minutes [of the holocaust] people began to take deep breaths, cover their ears and eyes. Anger took over. After four minutes a calm took over. The noise continued. After five minutes a feeling of utter peace took over...". Just struck me as I was reading it, thought I'd pass it on. Hiding T 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I found this article to be a great read, and I remember it being nominated for GA and now it's featured. Seems like the alternative rock WikiProject is really working well (although I have concerns that other areas in popular music are more neglected). It actually made me want to listen to the album again for the first time in a long time. Keep it up.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Rather rude to revert without comment, no? i don't see why "A number of My Bloody Valentine's contemporaries, including Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins and Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, have cited the album as an influence on their music" should be in the lead, surely this is pandering to current american alt rock fans in rather a patronizing way, and misleading people about the album. Asserting that the album is influential will suffice for the lead, with details in the body. There is no strong continuum from the work here to the work of those two artists as they are today (i don't see any strong audible linkage at all, just a tenuous one to maybe Siamese Dream and "Rhinocerous" perhaps) and there's no need to give a misleading impression about Loveless in the lead. 86.44.6.14 ( talk) 22:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
not sure how to edit this, but you have the engineer's name wrong: it is "Guy Fixsen" not "Gary Fixsen" as shown in the article :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.112.248 ( talk) 17:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is my Spin review being reverted? The album rating is from the review but as reviews from sources ranging from Rolling Stone to Allmusic change with time, I don't see why this Spin one is any different. This is how Spin felt about the album in 1995. I can't see anything on WP:Albums that says this shouldn't be here, and another FA for Green Day's Dookie album uses the Spin review before I even added it. So what's the problem? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 16:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
according to a kevin shields interview in this issue of tape op: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28203754@N04/, the two tracks colm played live drums on were only shallow and come in alone, not touched, as the article currently states. in fact, shields explicitly says that touched was all programmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.27.181 ( talk) 01:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I've been trying to remove a quote from Guitar World that's being used in the wrong context in the article, however it keeps being reverted by comrade WesleyDodds without explanation. Is there a reason for this? 62.77.181.13 ( talk) 13:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions "American flautist Anna Quimbly". But Sean O'Hagan calls her "Anna Quimby". I can't see obviously overwhelming evidence for either spelling, so I won't make a correction. But I do think someone should try to work out which form is correct, since O'Hagan is not alone in his spelling. TheGrappler ( talk) 05:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
No info on the Remastered 2-Disc edition? -- Wiz-Pro3 ( talk) 12:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I've learnt that in written English, commas and full stops are placed before an ending quotation mark if the sentence ends with the quotation. In this article a reversed practice is used about as frequently, i.e:
instead of:
What's the preferred usage? Shouldn't the article be consistent in this matter? (Needless to say I'm not quite used to the English punctuation tradition.) ✎ HannesP · talk 00:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
let us discuss this here rather than edit warring all the time. I support the inclusion of this box as it serves as a quick search similar to the infobox above. Dozens of album articles use this box, so I don't see any problems to include it here. Regards.-- Kürbis ( ✔) 08:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Can you explain what your issue is with the above sources listed, User:WesleyDodds? As I've explained three times at this point, the Gaon Chart is the official chart provider of South Korea, and the weeks listed in the notes are indeed the weeks when the album reached its peak chart position there. Removing this information is akin to deleting a source listed in the latest Rolling Stones greatest hits, simply because it happened to be in this format. This information is, regardless, accurate. And do you also mind explaining why you're removing the correct citation style (per Wikipedia:Citation templates)? Homeostasis07 ( talk) 02:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
We only have one article on an album called Loveless, so I propose that this is moved back to Loveless (album). -- Michig ( talk) 09:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
If "he" refers to Anjali Dutt (it's not completely clear), it should be changed to "she". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.79.213 ( talk) 17:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I've added scans of Music Week & Melody Maker from November 1991 here to support the November 11th release date.
https://globalvariables.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/mm_loveless.jpg
https://globalvariables.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/mw_loveless.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stx ( talk • contribs) 17:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a very clear consensus in the media [3] [4] [5] [6] (etc.), and even the band themselves, that the album was released on November 4th. At most, I would support including a note after "4 November 1991" explaining the situation. Skyshifter talk 22:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm signed up for the MBV mailing list on my email, and on November 4, I got an email from the mailing list celebrating the 30th anniversary of the album. Hopefully somebody else signed up for the mailing list here is able to back up my claim. Pyraminxsolver ( talk) 23:13, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I've compiled the pages from Music Week, Melody Maker, a new link to a 1991 usenet posting supporting the November 11th release date and tried to figure out where the mistaken date comes from https://globalvariables.net/2021/11/11/happy-30th-birthday-to-loveless-by-my-bloody-valentine-which-was-released-on-november-11th-1991/. Stx ( talk) 19:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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MBV is commonly named an Anglo-Irish group, just look at it's homepage on this website. And yet I find myself wrestling to keep that information on the site with someone I realise to be something of an Irish nationalist who has claimed Kevin Sheilds for Ireland (despite the fact he has constantly been called American) and with it the entire band... despite half the group being British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.19.27 ( talk) 19:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This part should be looked into. In "Loveless 33 1/3" is is said that Colm couldn't use his legs and he was very sick. Its really more than just a broken arm, like this article makes it seem.
I agree, when I read the 33 1/3 book it made me wonder whether he could have suffered from Guillain-Barré syndrome. Pierremegevand ( talk) 11:15, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I was skeptical about putting the EPs (e.g., Tremolo and Glider) into the chronology, but I referred to the Albums WikiProject discussion on the topic, and adhered to the comments therein. I was also skeptical about whether they could actually be considered EPs and not singles, but Kevin Shields has considered them such in an interview, as have others. ShaneCavanaugh 18:08, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)
EPs are EPs. Albums are albums. Even if Kevin Shields feels differently. PetSounds 16:28 June 19, 2005
That wasn't the point. Regardless, I'll just mention the EPs in the article. ShaneCavanaugh 21:44, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)
Already done. PetSounds 18:02 June 19, 2005
reproduced from User_talk:ShaneCavanaugh
- A proposal, then:
I reckon these could be added, the first pinpointing the reason why it gets so much attention (which is ultimately not its quality, but its uniqueness) and offering a general notion of what the thing actually sounds like, which I reckon is appropriate in encyclopedic terms, while the second exposes the album's status as a, as I've said, holy cow of sorts, mildly explaining why and how it gets the sort of attention it gets.
With some tweaking, and appropriate changes to the present text, would these be appropriate pieces of text (as actual sections, that is)? Zeppocity 20:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely. It will be, at the very least, a good start for future edits. ShaneCavanaugh 01:10, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
I think the cover is actually both a Jazzmaster (big pickup) and Jaguar(small pickup below) exposed on the same frame
This whole article needs a complete rewrite which I will complete when I have more time. In the short term I have slightly trimmed the text. If Zeppocity can post a link to a single published critic who "dismissed the record as a work of pointless, repetitive noise and mediocre composition" I will revert the text which is otherwise ostensibly his/her own opinion. Regardless of Zeppocity's opinion, Loveless is widely considered to be part of the western canon and has never received a bad review. Terwilliger 00:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
This site says there was a 2003 remaster, and there is one listed here on Amazon as having a 2005 release.
However, reading the reviews on Amazon suggests that it may not have been a remaster at all.
Any one have more info on this?
All the links to Pitchfork media (regarding being on the top 100 album of the 90's) are broken. With a quick search I couldn't find exactly what they were trying to point to so I thought I'd just leave this comment. Regards, Karih 13:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The article says it is a Jazzmaster, which it might be judging by the large pickups. However, look at the circular inlays - that's a Jaguar fretboard.
To compare the two - on the left is a '66 Jaguar, on the right is a '69 Jazzmaster: http://www.ggjaguar.com/jagjmast.jpg
It might be a modified guitar. Whatever. This is pointless. NIRVANA2764 14:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
>> Many Jazzmasters have circular inlays.
In fact it's a double exposure of a Jazzmaster AND a Jaguar together taken from one of the music videos. The Jazzmaster is a Japanese reissue that belonged to Shields' sister according to rumor and was used for the music video (and subsequently, the cover), I had this guitar in my possession for a while but sold it off because it was an unplayable piece of junk compared to a genuine vintage one. Cheesebot 13:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Shields has said that the rumours about the record costing £250,000 and nearly breaking Creation Records are "100% lies": There's info in an interview here: tinyurl.com/3cadwz PlazzTT 20:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The Notes paragraph to which a lot of citations link to is missing.
I read somewhere that the Loveless banner/play passing reference (see the intro of the game) in Final Fantasy 7 was in homage to this album. Is this true, can it be confirmed with a source? It'd be interesting under a "trivia" section. 71.111.112.58 08:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Why does this article describe the band as having a nationality, and on what is that declaration based? This appears to my eye to violate WP:NPOV. Hiding T 13:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If no one minds I'm going to redirect discussion of this matter to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative music since it bears upon all My Bloody Valentine articles (and in the case of this article, it really only impacts one or two words in the lead). WesleyDodds ( talk) 23:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
From: "The genesis of Creation They began with a loan, almost ended in bankruptcy and made a deal with Sony. But over their 10 years, Alan McGee's Creation records has been at the edge of indie music" The Guardian (Manchester); Feb 25, 1994; CAROLINE SULLIVAN;
(Copyright Guardian Newspapers, Limited Feb 25, 1994)
After the Jesus And Mary Chain had departed for a lucrative deal at WEA, McGee spent the rest of the eighties signing bands and allowing them to spend as much as they liked making records. My Bloody Valentine, whose oeuvre is trance-inducing free-form noise, spent around pounds 250,000 on one album. "Twice we came very close to bankruptcy. Both times it was just stupidity. Then I discovered CDs, House Of Love {back-to-basics guitar poppers} and Ride {shoegazing teen idols}, and they and the Primals album bailed me out. We had a turnover of pounds 600,000 a year up until 1989, and 250 per cent jumps in turnover since then. We were running a pounds 5 million-a-year business like a pounds 500,000 one. Almost going bankrupt made us realise you need cashflows, year plans."
Per request for contemporary reviews:
"My Bloody Valentine is the seminal band in the dream-pop genre, which is beginning to invade the States from across the Big Pond. The frequently catchy riffs and melodies, as well as the limpid vocals, come swathed in thick layers of distortion. The combination certainly has its energizing moments--To Here Knows When sounds like a swarm of electronic bees circling your head--but to me this stuff more often seems like nasty canned music." Givens, Ron Stereo Review v57, n6 (June, 1992):88
Also have the Maker review. Will try and track down Spin another day. Hiding T 14:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've added the Melody Maker review and hid the New York Times review with invisible text tags until we decide if we want to do anything with it. WesleyDodds 10:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Re Googe formed the supergroup Snowpony in 1996[46] and had also been sighted working as a cab driver in London. Just curious as to the phrasing there. Googe definitely cabbied prior to forming Snow Pony. Hiding T 16:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This article's good article nomination has been placed on hold. The following are notes as to how the article stacks up against the GA criteria. When you have satisifed the requests below, please contact me on my talk page so that the article can be reviewed, and hopefully passed as a good article. If the requests are not dealt with within 7 days, the nomination may fail. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 01:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Reviewed version: [2] Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 01:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I've got slightly different text in Mojo for the Mark Kemp quote. Is the Cavanagh source a quote? Mojo run it from "After three minutes [of the holocaust] people began to take deep breaths, cover their ears and eyes. Anger took over. After four minutes a calm took over. The noise continued. After five minutes a feeling of utter peace took over...". Just struck me as I was reading it, thought I'd pass it on. Hiding T 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I found this article to be a great read, and I remember it being nominated for GA and now it's featured. Seems like the alternative rock WikiProject is really working well (although I have concerns that other areas in popular music are more neglected). It actually made me want to listen to the album again for the first time in a long time. Keep it up.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Rather rude to revert without comment, no? i don't see why "A number of My Bloody Valentine's contemporaries, including Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins and Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, have cited the album as an influence on their music" should be in the lead, surely this is pandering to current american alt rock fans in rather a patronizing way, and misleading people about the album. Asserting that the album is influential will suffice for the lead, with details in the body. There is no strong continuum from the work here to the work of those two artists as they are today (i don't see any strong audible linkage at all, just a tenuous one to maybe Siamese Dream and "Rhinocerous" perhaps) and there's no need to give a misleading impression about Loveless in the lead. 86.44.6.14 ( talk) 22:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
not sure how to edit this, but you have the engineer's name wrong: it is "Guy Fixsen" not "Gary Fixsen" as shown in the article :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.112.248 ( talk) 17:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is my Spin review being reverted? The album rating is from the review but as reviews from sources ranging from Rolling Stone to Allmusic change with time, I don't see why this Spin one is any different. This is how Spin felt about the album in 1995. I can't see anything on WP:Albums that says this shouldn't be here, and another FA for Green Day's Dookie album uses the Spin review before I even added it. So what's the problem? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 16:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
according to a kevin shields interview in this issue of tape op: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28203754@N04/, the two tracks colm played live drums on were only shallow and come in alone, not touched, as the article currently states. in fact, shields explicitly says that touched was all programmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.27.181 ( talk) 01:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I've been trying to remove a quote from Guitar World that's being used in the wrong context in the article, however it keeps being reverted by comrade WesleyDodds without explanation. Is there a reason for this? 62.77.181.13 ( talk) 13:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions "American flautist Anna Quimbly". But Sean O'Hagan calls her "Anna Quimby". I can't see obviously overwhelming evidence for either spelling, so I won't make a correction. But I do think someone should try to work out which form is correct, since O'Hagan is not alone in his spelling. TheGrappler ( talk) 05:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
No info on the Remastered 2-Disc edition? -- Wiz-Pro3 ( talk) 12:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I've learnt that in written English, commas and full stops are placed before an ending quotation mark if the sentence ends with the quotation. In this article a reversed practice is used about as frequently, i.e:
instead of:
What's the preferred usage? Shouldn't the article be consistent in this matter? (Needless to say I'm not quite used to the English punctuation tradition.) ✎ HannesP · talk 00:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
let us discuss this here rather than edit warring all the time. I support the inclusion of this box as it serves as a quick search similar to the infobox above. Dozens of album articles use this box, so I don't see any problems to include it here. Regards.-- Kürbis ( ✔) 08:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Can you explain what your issue is with the above sources listed, User:WesleyDodds? As I've explained three times at this point, the Gaon Chart is the official chart provider of South Korea, and the weeks listed in the notes are indeed the weeks when the album reached its peak chart position there. Removing this information is akin to deleting a source listed in the latest Rolling Stones greatest hits, simply because it happened to be in this format. This information is, regardless, accurate. And do you also mind explaining why you're removing the correct citation style (per Wikipedia:Citation templates)? Homeostasis07 ( talk) 02:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
We only have one article on an album called Loveless, so I propose that this is moved back to Loveless (album). -- Michig ( talk) 09:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
If "he" refers to Anjali Dutt (it's not completely clear), it should be changed to "she". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.79.213 ( talk) 17:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I've added scans of Music Week & Melody Maker from November 1991 here to support the November 11th release date.
https://globalvariables.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/mm_loveless.jpg
https://globalvariables.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/mw_loveless.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stx ( talk • contribs) 17:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a very clear consensus in the media [3] [4] [5] [6] (etc.), and even the band themselves, that the album was released on November 4th. At most, I would support including a note after "4 November 1991" explaining the situation. Skyshifter talk 22:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm signed up for the MBV mailing list on my email, and on November 4, I got an email from the mailing list celebrating the 30th anniversary of the album. Hopefully somebody else signed up for the mailing list here is able to back up my claim. Pyraminxsolver ( talk) 23:13, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I've compiled the pages from Music Week, Melody Maker, a new link to a 1991 usenet posting supporting the November 11th release date and tried to figure out where the mistaken date comes from https://globalvariables.net/2021/11/11/happy-30th-birthday-to-loveless-by-my-bloody-valentine-which-was-released-on-november-11th-1991/. Stx ( talk) 19:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)