This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
It appears that the local online newspaper Gazeta Odria, isn't a source that meets wp:HISTRS. I hope I'll fix this the following hours with academic-level material. Alexikoua ( talk) 15:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, it seems that, at least, Henry Holland, considered him as Greek ( see p. 256 ). We have to add this helpful information to the article. Pavlos1988 ( talk) 22:11, 19 January 2015 (UTC):
You should read it again my friend!
We had not been long settled in the house... before two other physicians came in to visit us, BOTH GREEKS and one of them remarkable...This was Ioannes Velara...Our other visitor was Lucas Bia...
According to Holland the two Greek physicians were Vilaras and Vagias.
Holland refers to the bishop of Larissa as a person who knew only Greek and Albanian, not to Vilaras or Vagias. Even if it is possible, the case that Vagias was a speaker of albanian here is a hypothesis, not a fact.
P.S. Also, the fact that someone speaks a language p.e. albanian doesn't make him also Albanian. Many Greeks of Ali pasha's court like Karaiskakis or Alexios Noutsos ( who were not even Arvanites ) knew albanian but they were not Albanians. More personally, I am also a person who understands and speaks ( at some point ) albanian but I am not Albanian nor Arvanitis. :) Pavlos1988 ( talk) 02:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
1.If you have any thoughts about Karaiskakis, look at Karaiskakis' talk page. If you are an open minded person and not a typical albanian chauvinist of the internet, you will get the answer that you are seeking.
2.As about Thanasis Vagias, I ' ve posted a source with a Vagias' letter to the notables of Delvinaki. If you understand greek, then by reading that letter you will see that Vagias' considered himself not only as a person with the same religion with Delvinaki's people but also as a person of the same ethnicity.
3.I am aware that p.e. the greek nationalistic opinion that wants every orthodox of South Albania to be Greek is wrong ( p.e. according to my opinion it's ridiculous that in some greek sources Themistoklis Germeni is considered as a traitor ). But here, if you read again my reference from Holland you' ll find that Holland mentions the bishop of Larissa as Albanian but considers Vagias as Greek, just like Vilaras. By that, it is obvious that when Holland calls Vagias Greek, he refers to his nationality, not his religion. Pavlos1988 ( talk) 15:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
It appears that the local online newspaper Gazeta Odria, isn't a source that meets wp:HISTRS. I hope I'll fix this the following hours with academic-level material. Alexikoua ( talk) 15:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, it seems that, at least, Henry Holland, considered him as Greek ( see p. 256 ). We have to add this helpful information to the article. Pavlos1988 ( talk) 22:11, 19 January 2015 (UTC):
You should read it again my friend!
We had not been long settled in the house... before two other physicians came in to visit us, BOTH GREEKS and one of them remarkable...This was Ioannes Velara...Our other visitor was Lucas Bia...
According to Holland the two Greek physicians were Vilaras and Vagias.
Holland refers to the bishop of Larissa as a person who knew only Greek and Albanian, not to Vilaras or Vagias. Even if it is possible, the case that Vagias was a speaker of albanian here is a hypothesis, not a fact.
P.S. Also, the fact that someone speaks a language p.e. albanian doesn't make him also Albanian. Many Greeks of Ali pasha's court like Karaiskakis or Alexios Noutsos ( who were not even Arvanites ) knew albanian but they were not Albanians. More personally, I am also a person who understands and speaks ( at some point ) albanian but I am not Albanian nor Arvanitis. :) Pavlos1988 ( talk) 02:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
1.If you have any thoughts about Karaiskakis, look at Karaiskakis' talk page. If you are an open minded person and not a typical albanian chauvinist of the internet, you will get the answer that you are seeking.
2.As about Thanasis Vagias, I ' ve posted a source with a Vagias' letter to the notables of Delvinaki. If you understand greek, then by reading that letter you will see that Vagias' considered himself not only as a person with the same religion with Delvinaki's people but also as a person of the same ethnicity.
3.I am aware that p.e. the greek nationalistic opinion that wants every orthodox of South Albania to be Greek is wrong ( p.e. according to my opinion it's ridiculous that in some greek sources Themistoklis Germeni is considered as a traitor ). But here, if you read again my reference from Holland you' ll find that Holland mentions the bishop of Larissa as Albanian but considers Vagias as Greek, just like Vilaras. By that, it is obvious that when Holland calls Vagias Greek, he refers to his nationality, not his religion. Pavlos1988 ( talk) 15:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)