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I'm not sure if he should be in the "Notable Creoles" section... on the List of French Americans, we have him listed as a Cajun (a distinction is made between Cajuns and Creoles there). He's also on the List of Cajuns.
And one more little thing - does it not occur to people that the "Notable Creoles" section is in alphabetical order by last name?
Défenseur 17:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe I've given good reasons to remove the link, and it's been about four days, so I'm just going to take it off now.
Défenseur 01:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The flag currently in the article isn't really recognized as the Creole flag, and I think it's just a concept flag from Frenchcreoles.com [1]. The flag that most Creoles use (online, at least - on MySpace: [2] [3]) is one made by a group called C.R.E.O.L.E., Inc in 1987. It's also the one on "Flags of the World." [4] The image's copyright status is confusing to me (I've never uploaded an image before), so I'm just putting this out there for whoever wanted to mess with that... Défenseur 04:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
In New Orleans,if your creole.You are considered "African American" because Im from there.=First of all, that
jeanne (
talk) 06:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC) author needs to sign his name! And secondly,someone like myself whose great-grandmother was a white French Creole has to disregard the definition of Creole in most dictionaries because of Afrocentrism.
jeanne (
talk) 15:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)I think the article is too biased in favour of Creoles of color.There should be more citations of white Creoles such as Virginie Gautreau, Baroness Pontalba and Gen.Beauregard-surely the greatest Creole of them all.
jeanne (
talk) 16:04, 6 April 2008
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems like the quality of the page has declined over time... I just removed two big sections that were copied and pasted into the article from an essay by some professor at Yale.
I'm kind of uneasy with the areas around the numerous references to "gens de couleur libres" because they don't strike me as being particularly easy to understand for people unfamiliar with the subject matter. Along with seemingly random insertions of foreign language words like that "newly arrived" one (that I believe is in the "History" section), the use of foreign language words and phrases seems a bit pervasive - I think that if it's an important one, it should be defined, but it shouldn't be used too much in the article itself.
Some of the language is a little too artsy or dramatic, which I don't think would be good for most readers of the article - for example, "History" used to be "History of a People" and "Identity Issues" was something along the lines of "Identity Crises. Cajun or Creole. Black, white, or mixed." Still, there's this "Caribbean Air" section with the same kind of problem.
It just seems like somehow the article has taken steps backwards with all of these new, unsourced statements. I mean, I removed a sentence that said that Creoles are the largest group of non-white Catholics in the country. There's so much work to be done with the article.
Défenseur 05:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I changed in the section on Zydeco to Black Creol Music rather that Cajun/Creole. It is a Black Creole music, however there are Cajun elements. I changed also Black Creoles and Cajuns to Black Creole again, when making mention of musicians in that sentence. There weren't any Cajuns listed just Black Creoles. User:Barac 08:35 , 25 July 2007
Please observe NPOV rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.11.149 ( talk) 04:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As a social historian specializing in the Creoles of New Orleans, I am E. Simmons, www.thecreoles.org. I note that it is a standard term and description within the literature on this subject to refer to "Anglos" in this manner. It is historic politics. Louisiana was a foreign, sovereign territory under France until U.S. statehood which occured after 1811. For your reference, refer to Professors Hirsch and Logsdon work, "The Americanization of the Creoles" LSU Press, Baton Rouge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.242.200 ( talk) 01:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
There should be a balance of POV, not "Anglo-Saxons"=bad. 24.255.11.149 ( talk) 03:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone read the Creole Identity section recently? It definitely does not read like an encyclopedia entry. It comes off more as something read in an opinionated pamphlet for a rally.
Take Buddy Bolden image out of the article, if you are going to have two images place people on the same social level. Don't have a Jazz musician. Also the term Afro-Creole is wrong no one says that. As for Audubon he is a Creole of color however not born in Louisiana. Is it that difficult to find at least four good images of Creoles.-- Margrave1206 ( talk) 16:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
This article does not cover the authentic creole people. Cane River Creoles are a huge part of the culture and yet nothing has been said about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.61.228.15 ( talk) 18:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I took out the german potato salad myth. First, the potato were introduced to NO by the Irish (still hating on them?) (running from the potato famine ironicly). Second, I've never in thirty years of growing up have heard of potato salad in gumbo nor seen in on any in menu on the coast much less in NO. Maybe the myterious Yale instructor strikes again? Really not sure about the buttered frech beard being german decent either so can't make a call there. But, I do know the eypgtians building pyramids were eating butter so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.236.17 ( talk) 22:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Louisiana Creole in contemporary times does not mean any native-born person, but those who are descendants of the original Creole families, particularly those of mixed race. The previous editor changed quoted content and made it inaccurate.-- Parkwells ( talk) 16:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I happen to be a French Creole and I can tell you that this is a huge hot-button issue for many people on all sides of this issue. Some Creole People of Color behave today as if the term Creole is their own private property when it certainly is not. There is still a huge French Creole population in Louisiana and a fair sized population of Spanish Creoles. French Creoles not only have to fight the silly concept that Creoles are only mixed race folks, but we also have to constantly deal with being called Cajuns. All Creoles take particular pride in knowing who we are and, for most of us, race is not an issue. If someone is introducing the concept of race into the discussion, we pretty much know that they are probably not natives of Louisiana and that their time might better be spent investigating their own ethnicity and making pronouncements about their own culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.69.220.220 ( talk) 08:09, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
At the risk of wasting my breath, I want to say this article needs some serious editing - unfortunately, it's not my area of expertise, so I don't feel up to the task. But in case somebody with more expertise and good writing skills should read this and be motivated to do major surgery, here are some suggestions for improvement:
This ought to be an article that enlightens, not confuses. It can still cover history, migration, culture, all those very interesting things, but in a clearer, more concise, more logical, and reliably sourced way. I'm just saying. Textorus ( talk) 06:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello everyone, who change this?? How bias can this be??? Who wrote this "The White people of French descent, who usually spoke French as their primary language and practiced Catholicism, then became known as" Someone said white to many times I though I was reading a 1950s text book from the 7th grade. I am sure their education is about the same level as that. In the 18th century a Creole was a person of French and Spanish descent. Ps. You have Blacks who are of French and Spanish descent. As early as the 1740s Free Blacks came from France. Before the civil war if your family was of French, Spanish, or African ancestory and in Louisiana before the purchase you were Creole. After the Civil war it was an issue about people with Black blood being Creoles and they were excluded. I am talking about Jim Crow era New Orleans. Being mixed race does not make you creole "at least in Louisiana" however if your family is in a place long enough you are going to get mixed. Also no one ever called Italians, Irish, Germans, etc creoles, what a dreamer. The way the article was writen sounds like Judge Leander Perez wrote this. I made an edit however, I forgot how to place a note with it. I am Margrave I have an account and will sign this when I have time. However this is terrible, that someone came and ruined this article. One more thing, as of 1829 Free People of color owned $1,000,000. dollars of real estate in New Orleans, many of the Creoles of color lived on The Esplanade and in the Vieux Carre in mansions. The wealthest owned plantations, many homes in New Orleans, and houses in Paris. They spoke 4 languges and were very cultured. People in New Orleans published several books on these subjects over the past 120 years. By the way most free blacks from the 1830s are gone, during the 1850s several thousand left because white americans made life for them unplesant(laws passed that were bias and unlawfull activity by white Americans). The ones that stayed no longer have African features and now pass as white, some know they have black blood others don't. So please don't write the article in such an Anglo bias manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.175.125 ( talk) 04:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC) -- Margrave1206 ( talk) 17:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't know what happened to this article, but it needs better writing and sources. As noted above, while Creole and Cajun descendants may intermarry today, historically the terms related to quite different groups of people. The historical terms and groups need to be established before talking about how everyone mixes today. Get citations! There is plenty of material in books and online. Parkwells ( talk) 17:22, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Could you not find images of Creoles in New Orleans?????
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/freepeopleofcolor/freepeopleofcolor.htm
http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/fmc/fmc.htm
http://library.nsula.edu/assets/Scholars-thesis/agnemet.jpg
http://library.nsula.edu/la-scholars-college-research/
http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Bu-Dr/Creoles.html
--
Margrave1206 (
talk) 17:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The rich Creoles had people to paint their portraits, and there are many books and collection that show images of Creoles in Louisiana ones of color also had their images recorded.
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6032/agnemet.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2421/headdress.gif http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4638/marielaveau.jpg http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2162/tignon1.jpg
-- Margrave1206 ( talk) 18:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Since the article has a number of in-line citations, the desire for more citations (if needed) should be made with specific fact/citation needed tags at the end of sentences an editor feels are most in need of support or suspected of being original research. A catch-all tag at the top seems stale and gives no guidance on where to add citations. ANE.Scholar ( talk) 15:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There are some obvious omissions in the article. The history section doesn't mention the Creole participation in the American Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. The language section doesn't mention Creole literature. And there is no mention of the Creole diaspora in L.A., Chicago, Houston, Mexico etc. I don't know if there's a way to squeeze it into the article without it becoming too lengthy, so I added some external links for those who want to explore the subjects further. I think the article has been greatly improved. Thanks to all those who made recent edits.-- Melwood19 ( talk) 05:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
The most precise current definition of a creole is a person of non-American ancestry, whether African or European, who was born in the Americas.
64.134.64.52 ( talk) 15:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Of particular offense: "After the Civil War, some French Creoles whose fortunes had collapsed moved out of New Orleans back to Creole Country, taking their recipes with them. Most of the food now made in New Orleans is more for tourists and is no longer traditional."
It is nonfactual to state or imply that the food presented as creole made in New Orleans is "more for tourists" and it is an untruth to suggest that it is "no longer traditional."
It is true that modern creole cuisine in New Orleans is no longer commonly "puritan" but rather, lends itself to and amalgamates with Acadienne, Spanish, French and English influence. They have evolved the same as they do in any culturally diverse area. However, there are plenty of "traditional" recipes that have been preserved and passed down by "puritan" families. Some of these are accessible to tourists and some are not.
Furthermore, to suggest Louisiana and/or New Orleans Creole cooking is prepared only for the purpose of pandering to tourism is insulting, arrogant--verging on racist. Recipes, the food...these are beloved family traditions and everyone has pride in their own. Red beans are still eaten almost habitually on Mondays--regardless of whether or not it's "laundry day."
Such a statement is like summing up "soul food" to fried chicken and watermelon; it's the ignorant propagation of a stereotype that steamrolls the validity of an entire People.
Please fix this.
navkat ( talk) 07:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
This section was deleted recently. It should be added back since it was fairly accurate to begin with. It originally read: Louisiana, East Texas, Los Angeles County, California, coastal Mississippi, Chicago, Illinois, coastal Alabama, Detroit, Michigan and Florida panhandle. Since the definition of Creole is pre-Louisiana purchase, then populations that descended from that definition should be added back. That would include areas close to Louisiana, such as Mississippi and Alabama, as well as areas formally populated by the French, such as Detroit. The problem is that being Creole is treated like a race rather than a heritage/ethnic destination. Like Latinos, Creoles can be any race and color and the new images should include darker-skinned people, such as Gino Delafose, Fats Domino, and Zydeco Joe to break that "light-skinned" stereotype.
http://thejambalayamagazine.com/2014/10/11/passe-blanc-blacks-who-passed-for-white/
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Louisiana_Creole_people&action=submit#http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flwfgs/alabamacreolefamilies.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.31.24 ( talk) 03:42, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
I read through and fixed grammar and such. There were 3 or 4 paragraphs that ended with the Spanish Creole and were hard to understand, so I wrote them the best I could. I also made Evangeline Creole section much, much better. I am glad they left me the sources. I am particularly happy that they kept Natchitoches Parish apart from Creole recognition as it is the oldest settlement in Louisiana, older than NO, and deserves to be separate but equal. I know that Cane River Creole are seeking Native American status because of it. 67.45.96.53 ( talk) 07:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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I'm not sure if he should be in the "Notable Creoles" section... on the List of French Americans, we have him listed as a Cajun (a distinction is made between Cajuns and Creoles there). He's also on the List of Cajuns.
And one more little thing - does it not occur to people that the "Notable Creoles" section is in alphabetical order by last name?
Défenseur 17:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe I've given good reasons to remove the link, and it's been about four days, so I'm just going to take it off now.
Défenseur 01:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The flag currently in the article isn't really recognized as the Creole flag, and I think it's just a concept flag from Frenchcreoles.com [1]. The flag that most Creoles use (online, at least - on MySpace: [2] [3]) is one made by a group called C.R.E.O.L.E., Inc in 1987. It's also the one on "Flags of the World." [4] The image's copyright status is confusing to me (I've never uploaded an image before), so I'm just putting this out there for whoever wanted to mess with that... Défenseur 04:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
In New Orleans,if your creole.You are considered "African American" because Im from there.=First of all, that
jeanne (
talk) 06:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC) author needs to sign his name! And secondly,someone like myself whose great-grandmother was a white French Creole has to disregard the definition of Creole in most dictionaries because of Afrocentrism.
jeanne (
talk) 15:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)I think the article is too biased in favour of Creoles of color.There should be more citations of white Creoles such as Virginie Gautreau, Baroness Pontalba and Gen.Beauregard-surely the greatest Creole of them all.
jeanne (
talk) 16:04, 6 April 2008
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems like the quality of the page has declined over time... I just removed two big sections that were copied and pasted into the article from an essay by some professor at Yale.
I'm kind of uneasy with the areas around the numerous references to "gens de couleur libres" because they don't strike me as being particularly easy to understand for people unfamiliar with the subject matter. Along with seemingly random insertions of foreign language words like that "newly arrived" one (that I believe is in the "History" section), the use of foreign language words and phrases seems a bit pervasive - I think that if it's an important one, it should be defined, but it shouldn't be used too much in the article itself.
Some of the language is a little too artsy or dramatic, which I don't think would be good for most readers of the article - for example, "History" used to be "History of a People" and "Identity Issues" was something along the lines of "Identity Crises. Cajun or Creole. Black, white, or mixed." Still, there's this "Caribbean Air" section with the same kind of problem.
It just seems like somehow the article has taken steps backwards with all of these new, unsourced statements. I mean, I removed a sentence that said that Creoles are the largest group of non-white Catholics in the country. There's so much work to be done with the article.
Défenseur 05:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I changed in the section on Zydeco to Black Creol Music rather that Cajun/Creole. It is a Black Creole music, however there are Cajun elements. I changed also Black Creoles and Cajuns to Black Creole again, when making mention of musicians in that sentence. There weren't any Cajuns listed just Black Creoles. User:Barac 08:35 , 25 July 2007
Please observe NPOV rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.11.149 ( talk) 04:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As a social historian specializing in the Creoles of New Orleans, I am E. Simmons, www.thecreoles.org. I note that it is a standard term and description within the literature on this subject to refer to "Anglos" in this manner. It is historic politics. Louisiana was a foreign, sovereign territory under France until U.S. statehood which occured after 1811. For your reference, refer to Professors Hirsch and Logsdon work, "The Americanization of the Creoles" LSU Press, Baton Rouge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.242.200 ( talk) 01:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
There should be a balance of POV, not "Anglo-Saxons"=bad. 24.255.11.149 ( talk) 03:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone read the Creole Identity section recently? It definitely does not read like an encyclopedia entry. It comes off more as something read in an opinionated pamphlet for a rally.
Take Buddy Bolden image out of the article, if you are going to have two images place people on the same social level. Don't have a Jazz musician. Also the term Afro-Creole is wrong no one says that. As for Audubon he is a Creole of color however not born in Louisiana. Is it that difficult to find at least four good images of Creoles.-- Margrave1206 ( talk) 16:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
This article does not cover the authentic creole people. Cane River Creoles are a huge part of the culture and yet nothing has been said about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.61.228.15 ( talk) 18:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I took out the german potato salad myth. First, the potato were introduced to NO by the Irish (still hating on them?) (running from the potato famine ironicly). Second, I've never in thirty years of growing up have heard of potato salad in gumbo nor seen in on any in menu on the coast much less in NO. Maybe the myterious Yale instructor strikes again? Really not sure about the buttered frech beard being german decent either so can't make a call there. But, I do know the eypgtians building pyramids were eating butter so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.236.17 ( talk) 22:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Louisiana Creole in contemporary times does not mean any native-born person, but those who are descendants of the original Creole families, particularly those of mixed race. The previous editor changed quoted content and made it inaccurate.-- Parkwells ( talk) 16:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I happen to be a French Creole and I can tell you that this is a huge hot-button issue for many people on all sides of this issue. Some Creole People of Color behave today as if the term Creole is their own private property when it certainly is not. There is still a huge French Creole population in Louisiana and a fair sized population of Spanish Creoles. French Creoles not only have to fight the silly concept that Creoles are only mixed race folks, but we also have to constantly deal with being called Cajuns. All Creoles take particular pride in knowing who we are and, for most of us, race is not an issue. If someone is introducing the concept of race into the discussion, we pretty much know that they are probably not natives of Louisiana and that their time might better be spent investigating their own ethnicity and making pronouncements about their own culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.69.220.220 ( talk) 08:09, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
At the risk of wasting my breath, I want to say this article needs some serious editing - unfortunately, it's not my area of expertise, so I don't feel up to the task. But in case somebody with more expertise and good writing skills should read this and be motivated to do major surgery, here are some suggestions for improvement:
This ought to be an article that enlightens, not confuses. It can still cover history, migration, culture, all those very interesting things, but in a clearer, more concise, more logical, and reliably sourced way. I'm just saying. Textorus ( talk) 06:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello everyone, who change this?? How bias can this be??? Who wrote this "The White people of French descent, who usually spoke French as their primary language and practiced Catholicism, then became known as" Someone said white to many times I though I was reading a 1950s text book from the 7th grade. I am sure their education is about the same level as that. In the 18th century a Creole was a person of French and Spanish descent. Ps. You have Blacks who are of French and Spanish descent. As early as the 1740s Free Blacks came from France. Before the civil war if your family was of French, Spanish, or African ancestory and in Louisiana before the purchase you were Creole. After the Civil war it was an issue about people with Black blood being Creoles and they were excluded. I am talking about Jim Crow era New Orleans. Being mixed race does not make you creole "at least in Louisiana" however if your family is in a place long enough you are going to get mixed. Also no one ever called Italians, Irish, Germans, etc creoles, what a dreamer. The way the article was writen sounds like Judge Leander Perez wrote this. I made an edit however, I forgot how to place a note with it. I am Margrave I have an account and will sign this when I have time. However this is terrible, that someone came and ruined this article. One more thing, as of 1829 Free People of color owned $1,000,000. dollars of real estate in New Orleans, many of the Creoles of color lived on The Esplanade and in the Vieux Carre in mansions. The wealthest owned plantations, many homes in New Orleans, and houses in Paris. They spoke 4 languges and were very cultured. People in New Orleans published several books on these subjects over the past 120 years. By the way most free blacks from the 1830s are gone, during the 1850s several thousand left because white americans made life for them unplesant(laws passed that were bias and unlawfull activity by white Americans). The ones that stayed no longer have African features and now pass as white, some know they have black blood others don't. So please don't write the article in such an Anglo bias manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.175.125 ( talk) 04:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC) -- Margrave1206 ( talk) 17:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't know what happened to this article, but it needs better writing and sources. As noted above, while Creole and Cajun descendants may intermarry today, historically the terms related to quite different groups of people. The historical terms and groups need to be established before talking about how everyone mixes today. Get citations! There is plenty of material in books and online. Parkwells ( talk) 17:22, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Could you not find images of Creoles in New Orleans?????
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/freepeopleofcolor/freepeopleofcolor.htm
http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/fmc/fmc.htm
http://library.nsula.edu/assets/Scholars-thesis/agnemet.jpg
http://library.nsula.edu/la-scholars-college-research/
http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Bu-Dr/Creoles.html
--
Margrave1206 (
talk) 17:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The rich Creoles had people to paint their portraits, and there are many books and collection that show images of Creoles in Louisiana ones of color also had their images recorded.
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6032/agnemet.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2421/headdress.gif http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4638/marielaveau.jpg http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2162/tignon1.jpg
-- Margrave1206 ( talk) 18:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Since the article has a number of in-line citations, the desire for more citations (if needed) should be made with specific fact/citation needed tags at the end of sentences an editor feels are most in need of support or suspected of being original research. A catch-all tag at the top seems stale and gives no guidance on where to add citations. ANE.Scholar ( talk) 15:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There are some obvious omissions in the article. The history section doesn't mention the Creole participation in the American Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. The language section doesn't mention Creole literature. And there is no mention of the Creole diaspora in L.A., Chicago, Houston, Mexico etc. I don't know if there's a way to squeeze it into the article without it becoming too lengthy, so I added some external links for those who want to explore the subjects further. I think the article has been greatly improved. Thanks to all those who made recent edits.-- Melwood19 ( talk) 05:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
The most precise current definition of a creole is a person of non-American ancestry, whether African or European, who was born in the Americas.
64.134.64.52 ( talk) 15:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Of particular offense: "After the Civil War, some French Creoles whose fortunes had collapsed moved out of New Orleans back to Creole Country, taking their recipes with them. Most of the food now made in New Orleans is more for tourists and is no longer traditional."
It is nonfactual to state or imply that the food presented as creole made in New Orleans is "more for tourists" and it is an untruth to suggest that it is "no longer traditional."
It is true that modern creole cuisine in New Orleans is no longer commonly "puritan" but rather, lends itself to and amalgamates with Acadienne, Spanish, French and English influence. They have evolved the same as they do in any culturally diverse area. However, there are plenty of "traditional" recipes that have been preserved and passed down by "puritan" families. Some of these are accessible to tourists and some are not.
Furthermore, to suggest Louisiana and/or New Orleans Creole cooking is prepared only for the purpose of pandering to tourism is insulting, arrogant--verging on racist. Recipes, the food...these are beloved family traditions and everyone has pride in their own. Red beans are still eaten almost habitually on Mondays--regardless of whether or not it's "laundry day."
Such a statement is like summing up "soul food" to fried chicken and watermelon; it's the ignorant propagation of a stereotype that steamrolls the validity of an entire People.
Please fix this.
navkat ( talk) 07:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
This section was deleted recently. It should be added back since it was fairly accurate to begin with. It originally read: Louisiana, East Texas, Los Angeles County, California, coastal Mississippi, Chicago, Illinois, coastal Alabama, Detroit, Michigan and Florida panhandle. Since the definition of Creole is pre-Louisiana purchase, then populations that descended from that definition should be added back. That would include areas close to Louisiana, such as Mississippi and Alabama, as well as areas formally populated by the French, such as Detroit. The problem is that being Creole is treated like a race rather than a heritage/ethnic destination. Like Latinos, Creoles can be any race and color and the new images should include darker-skinned people, such as Gino Delafose, Fats Domino, and Zydeco Joe to break that "light-skinned" stereotype.
http://thejambalayamagazine.com/2014/10/11/passe-blanc-blacks-who-passed-for-white/
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Louisiana_Creole_people&action=submit#http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flwfgs/alabamacreolefamilies.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.31.24 ( talk) 03:42, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
I read through and fixed grammar and such. There were 3 or 4 paragraphs that ended with the Spanish Creole and were hard to understand, so I wrote them the best I could. I also made Evangeline Creole section much, much better. I am glad they left me the sources. I am particularly happy that they kept Natchitoches Parish apart from Creole recognition as it is the oldest settlement in Louisiana, older than NO, and deserves to be separate but equal. I know that Cane River Creole are seeking Native American status because of it. 67.45.96.53 ( talk) 07:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)