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Marie-Louise not Louise-Marie. The first form is the correct form. -- AndreaMimi ( talk) 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
For example this book here, a German Book, Helga Thoma "Ungeliebte Königinnen", Piper Verlag 2006. There are some biographies of Queens or Crownprincess like Stephanie from Austria. Her paternal Grandmother was Marie-Louise, the second wife from Leopold I. of Belgium. -- AndreaMimi ( talk) 09:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The name is Louise-Marie d'Orléans, NOT Marie-Louise of France. The d'Orléans family was never called *de* France or *of* France, even after Louis-Philippe I became King of the French. I plan on moving the article to Louise-Marie d'Orléans & correct the name(s) throughout the article. Frania W. ( talk) 13:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Nobody bothered to check the names? E.g. with the Belgian royals themselves? Check http://www.monarchie.be/en/monarchy/genealogy/index.html Do remind there have been many many princesses that only diver from eachother in subtle differences. And I'm sorry for Frania: the French d' may be translated with ' of' as the Belgian Royals do themselves to!!! The title in the Dutch Wikipedia: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_van_Orl%C3%A9ans_%281812-1850%29 The title in the French Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_d%27Orl%C3%A9ans For translations: van=d'=of and these words may be translated in a title -- Eezie ( talk) 20:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I could not get it right and put a Help message on the administrators page: I could only make Louise-Marie de Orléans. Try Louise-Marie of Orléans or even Louise-Marie d'Orléans and you get redirects, and I cannot change of remove those pages. Furthermore there is a wrong Queen Louise-Marie d'Orléans. A very good redirect page Louise-Marie, but here she is only mentioned as Louise-Marie of France (1812-1850), French princess. There is also a redirect Marie-Louise of France that is unnecessary, and can be removed. For short: it is a mess. And a good administrator is needed to change it to the correct names/ sort it out/ stop the loop. -- Eezie ( talk) 21:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Louise Marie Thérèse Charlotte Isabelle d'Orléans, called Louise of France..."
Who has ever called her Louise of France or Louise de France. The children of Louis Philippe I, King of the French, were never "de France" or "of France", they all were "d'Orléans".
1. Born in 1812, at the time of Napoléon's Empire, she could not be a "princesse de France" (a title that never existed, except in title-giving en:wiki) and that did not exist in Napoléon's time when the title of a princess (given to the new ones, i.e. belonging to the House of Bonaparte) was "princesse impériale",
2. At the time of the Bourbon Restoration, Louise d'Orléans & all members of the old Bourbon royal family recovered the titles they held under the Ancien Régime, which made them "princes & princesses du sang" (never "de France").
3. On 13 August 1830, Louis-Philippe I, King of the French, her father, signed an ordinance in which he declared that the surname of his family was, as before & always, "d'Orléans", and that the only title his daughters & aunt were to have was "princesse d'Orléans" (not "de France").
Ordonnance of 13 August 1830 :
So why does en:wiki insist on giving non-existing names & titles to the Orléans family members?
Whenever the subject comes up, I always get the answer (as above in the previous section) "This is English Wikipedia". It may be, but does it give English Wikipedia the right to be wrong thus spreading false information?
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Marie-Louise not Louise-Marie. The first form is the correct form. -- AndreaMimi ( talk) 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
For example this book here, a German Book, Helga Thoma "Ungeliebte Königinnen", Piper Verlag 2006. There are some biographies of Queens or Crownprincess like Stephanie from Austria. Her paternal Grandmother was Marie-Louise, the second wife from Leopold I. of Belgium. -- AndreaMimi ( talk) 09:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The name is Louise-Marie d'Orléans, NOT Marie-Louise of France. The d'Orléans family was never called *de* France or *of* France, even after Louis-Philippe I became King of the French. I plan on moving the article to Louise-Marie d'Orléans & correct the name(s) throughout the article. Frania W. ( talk) 13:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Nobody bothered to check the names? E.g. with the Belgian royals themselves? Check http://www.monarchie.be/en/monarchy/genealogy/index.html Do remind there have been many many princesses that only diver from eachother in subtle differences. And I'm sorry for Frania: the French d' may be translated with ' of' as the Belgian Royals do themselves to!!! The title in the Dutch Wikipedia: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_van_Orl%C3%A9ans_%281812-1850%29 The title in the French Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Marie_d%27Orl%C3%A9ans For translations: van=d'=of and these words may be translated in a title -- Eezie ( talk) 20:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I could not get it right and put a Help message on the administrators page: I could only make Louise-Marie de Orléans. Try Louise-Marie of Orléans or even Louise-Marie d'Orléans and you get redirects, and I cannot change of remove those pages. Furthermore there is a wrong Queen Louise-Marie d'Orléans. A very good redirect page Louise-Marie, but here she is only mentioned as Louise-Marie of France (1812-1850), French princess. There is also a redirect Marie-Louise of France that is unnecessary, and can be removed. For short: it is a mess. And a good administrator is needed to change it to the correct names/ sort it out/ stop the loop. -- Eezie ( talk) 21:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Louise Marie Thérèse Charlotte Isabelle d'Orléans, called Louise of France..."
Who has ever called her Louise of France or Louise de France. The children of Louis Philippe I, King of the French, were never "de France" or "of France", they all were "d'Orléans".
1. Born in 1812, at the time of Napoléon's Empire, she could not be a "princesse de France" (a title that never existed, except in title-giving en:wiki) and that did not exist in Napoléon's time when the title of a princess (given to the new ones, i.e. belonging to the House of Bonaparte) was "princesse impériale",
2. At the time of the Bourbon Restoration, Louise d'Orléans & all members of the old Bourbon royal family recovered the titles they held under the Ancien Régime, which made them "princes & princesses du sang" (never "de France").
3. On 13 August 1830, Louis-Philippe I, King of the French, her father, signed an ordinance in which he declared that the surname of his family was, as before & always, "d'Orléans", and that the only title his daughters & aunt were to have was "princesse d'Orléans" (not "de France").
Ordonnance of 13 August 1830 :
So why does en:wiki insist on giving non-existing names & titles to the Orléans family members?
Whenever the subject comes up, I always get the answer (as above in the previous section) "This is English Wikipedia". It may be, but does it give English Wikipedia the right to be wrong thus spreading false information?