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I've spent half an hour looking for and failing to find the rules governing this preceded by/ succeeded by business when we are talking about a multi-seat constituency. This seems to work in some similar but inexplicable manner through many or all of these constituencies. I'm not sure where to raise it, so I'm initially raising it here because it illustrates the problem at its worst. The whole notion is confusing to readers, but here it has the effect of somehow associating Ms Bours with Nick Griffin in a manner which is both impossible for the reader to understand, but which appears POV, tendentious, and possibly defamatory (and thus a possible violation of WP:BLP, at least in spirit). Specifically in this case it can be seen as tending to smear UKIP as racist (as its opponents often tend to do), by associating it with the leader of the BNP. Perhaps, at least as a starting point, somebody can explain where the relevant rules governing 'preceded by' can be found? Tlhslobus ( talk) 20:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a current edit dispute about whether Louise Bours was born "Louise van der Bours". Two citations were given: one in The Guardian and one from Political Scrapbook.
User:Urquhartnite argues that the Guardian article is "an outright fabrication". I can see no reason to characterise the article in these terms and the opinion of a single editor does not get to override a reliable source citation. User:Urquhartnite argues that the Political Scrapbook is not a reliable source: I don't have an opinion either way on that. However, I note that neither source states that Bours was born van der Bours. They both merely say she was previously known under that name. So they don't support the previous article text.
However, this appears to be a reliable source and states, "she explained that her father is actually Dutch and her full name is van der Bours." (Also repeated here.)
Ergo, I suggest the article states that her full name is van der Bours, citing the Chester Chronicle. Bondegezou ( talk) 11:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Her name is Louise Bours. Van De Bours is a stage name based on an older version of her family. Source: She told me herself in person. Why would I make it up?
Wordforge (
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20:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Also it says in this Huffingtopn post article that van de bours was a stage name http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/30/ukip-louise-bours-joey-barton-question-time_n_5416459.html ( Wordforge ( talk) 17:52, 28 April 2016 (UTC) )
I grew up with Louise and she was absolutely always Louise Bours. Dadge ( talk) 19:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
nb IMDB is not usually considered an RS, as it is user edited, the claims would probably be sourceable elsewhere. Pincrete ( talk) 17:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
The article claims she "fronted 1940's big bands", but she was born in 1968. There is also another error earlier in the same sentence. Very poorly written article generally! Emerald ( talk) 14:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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I've spent half an hour looking for and failing to find the rules governing this preceded by/ succeeded by business when we are talking about a multi-seat constituency. This seems to work in some similar but inexplicable manner through many or all of these constituencies. I'm not sure where to raise it, so I'm initially raising it here because it illustrates the problem at its worst. The whole notion is confusing to readers, but here it has the effect of somehow associating Ms Bours with Nick Griffin in a manner which is both impossible for the reader to understand, but which appears POV, tendentious, and possibly defamatory (and thus a possible violation of WP:BLP, at least in spirit). Specifically in this case it can be seen as tending to smear UKIP as racist (as its opponents often tend to do), by associating it with the leader of the BNP. Perhaps, at least as a starting point, somebody can explain where the relevant rules governing 'preceded by' can be found? Tlhslobus ( talk) 20:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a current edit dispute about whether Louise Bours was born "Louise van der Bours". Two citations were given: one in The Guardian and one from Political Scrapbook.
User:Urquhartnite argues that the Guardian article is "an outright fabrication". I can see no reason to characterise the article in these terms and the opinion of a single editor does not get to override a reliable source citation. User:Urquhartnite argues that the Political Scrapbook is not a reliable source: I don't have an opinion either way on that. However, I note that neither source states that Bours was born van der Bours. They both merely say she was previously known under that name. So they don't support the previous article text.
However, this appears to be a reliable source and states, "she explained that her father is actually Dutch and her full name is van der Bours." (Also repeated here.)
Ergo, I suggest the article states that her full name is van der Bours, citing the Chester Chronicle. Bondegezou ( talk) 11:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Her name is Louise Bours. Van De Bours is a stage name based on an older version of her family. Source: She told me herself in person. Why would I make it up?
Wordforge (
talk)
20:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Also it says in this Huffingtopn post article that van de bours was a stage name http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/30/ukip-louise-bours-joey-barton-question-time_n_5416459.html ( Wordforge ( talk) 17:52, 28 April 2016 (UTC) )
I grew up with Louise and she was absolutely always Louise Bours. Dadge ( talk) 19:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
nb IMDB is not usually considered an RS, as it is user edited, the claims would probably be sourceable elsewhere. Pincrete ( talk) 17:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
The article claims she "fronted 1940's big bands", but she was born in 1968. There is also another error earlier in the same sentence. Very poorly written article generally! Emerald ( talk) 14:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)