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did some work. He clearly states Le Prince´s birth as of 1841, and his second name was Aimé, not Aimée. Therefore I made some minor adjustments to the text. --Filmtechniker, 80.219.85.159 16:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
i've quickly searched the official US patent organisation site to find Le Prince's 1888 US patent but was not successful, if anyone is used with patents search sites, it would be a nice addition to this article. Cliché Online 14:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
actually i just realized the NMPFT digital movies are the right side, it is actually the NMPFT ressource centre archive pictures of frames who are mirrored! The article, and article pictures will be corrected tomorrow and my video Roundhay Rexdix Ver3 too, a luck i did not realized this picture mistakes too late. Cliché Online 23:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
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I just wanted to say to the editors how great this page is. Thanks! -- Charlene 01:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
G'day, the reference to the last paragraph of the lead section (about the photograph of a drowned man that is supposed to be Le Prince) seems to be missing. -- Ouro ( blah blah) 19:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The movie was shot from an upper window of a building at Bridge End, on the south east corner of Leeds Bridge. There is a commemorative blue plaque on the building. The premises were occupied by Hick Brothers, ironmongers. Le Prince bought items from the shop to construct his equipment in his 160 Woodhouse Lane workshop, approximately a mile north of the bridge. The scene shows traffic on Leeds Bridge with Lower Briggate visible on the far right and the entrance to Swinegate on the far left. To see photo's of the Leeds Bridge area go to the "Leodis" site http://www.leodis.net and enter a key term such as Leeds Bridge or Bridge End or Hick Brothers or Louis Le Prince, etc. (enter term Auto Express to see photo's of his workshop building at 160 Woodhouse Lane). 11 July 2007
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I find Le Prince's story fascinating, but this article confuses me slightly, so I added two clarifyme tags. It first has "Le Prince's elder son Adolphe, who had assisted his father in many of his experiments", but later "According to Alphonse Le Prince who assisted his father at Leeds". Did Louis have two sons and did they both assist their father? Is there a source for who actually appears in the Roundhay Garden Scene film and who actually was called as a witness for the American Mutoscope Company in their litigation with Edison? - 84user ( talk) 15:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
OK guys, I just wanted to give anybody who has put the lead section together a chance to fix it, before I go ahead and tag it or fix it by myself. first of all the claim "motion images on film" is simply factually incorrect or at least misleading. Simply because film wasn't invented until 1889. Louis Le Prince shot on photosensitive paper. Or in case this first film is meant to mean "paper-film", it should be sourced to some book then. Currently the statements are simply misleading since the 'paper roll film' was invented by Arthur James Melhuish already in 1854 and Albert Londe designed a single camera to shoot image sequences in 1884, 3-4 years earlier than Le Prince. I looked up 2 published books. [1] and [2]. Please fix the article according to these or any published books and do not source claims on community websites like the main ref directs to some "local_heroes" article we are having here. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 03:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
the books are available for online reading for anybody to see. That was the reason I listed those since they are available digitally in google books. I'm not saying that exactly these books should be used. feel free to cite any books on the subject: history of film . The BBC in the context is an editorial source, I'm not discounting it, it's just an opinion of the journalist that can be used as a source. Just that its an opinion that happens to be not exactly in sync with the main stream film historians and theorists. -- Termer ( talk) 14:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
PS. Regarding Rawlence's Missing Reel ISBN 9780689120688. That's a fine source too. Just that the article should say that a film historian Christopher Rawlence suggest Le Prince to be the true inventor of the motion pictures. Instead of like currently articles on WP film history say that Le Prince is commonly accepted as the inventor of motion pictures. There is much more to that and opinions and theories vary. What you can also say is that Rawlence has suggested Le Prince may have been killed by someone intending to cash in on his invention but there are no evidence that would support that theory. What we can't do per WP:NPOV, declare Le Prince the undisputed inventor of motion pictures on WP.-- Termer ( talk) 17:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Comment: Guiness Book of Records as the earliest surviving motion picture.
citation needed
This needs to be confirmed by a reliable secondary source. Since earliest surviving motion picture can be anything and therefore the fact is not encyclopedic. Earliest surviving motion pictures can include work done by
Joseph Plateau,
William George Horner,
Muybridge etc.--
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"These pictures were soon projected on a screen in Leeds, making it the first motion picture exhibition." This claim strikes me as problematic, especially within the contentious and confusing world of early film history. First of all, it needs a citation. Second, "soon" is hopelessly vague when followed by a claim of "first ever." Third, there are probably multiple competing definitions of "exhibition," so this would need to be defined. Hirschjoshua ( talk) 23:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Under "Occupation" at the top of the page it lists Porn Star. I can't find anything in the text to back this up. Maria Godebska ( talk) 23:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Are there any films about the life of Le Prince?- Joseph 13:23, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Can someone who speaks French add an IPA ( International Phonetic Alphabet) pronunciation of the name? (Resources linked in the first set of parentheses.) I would do it myself, but I'm not confident that I know how the name is pronounced. -- Categorically Not ( talk) 22:10, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
The section on his death/disappearance makes the claim that it's most likely Louis committed suicide b/c of a photo found of a body pulled from the Seine and that he was facing bankruptcy. According to this site I'm posting here though, that's not correct, and the article should not be written making assumptions like that. It says that the man in the photo is too short to have been Louis, and that his finances were actually good. https://www.acmi.net.au/stories-and-ideas/tragedy-louis-le-prince/ 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:544F:E012:2320:EFE4 ( talk) 00:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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did some work. He clearly states Le Prince´s birth as of 1841, and his second name was Aimé, not Aimée. Therefore I made some minor adjustments to the text. --Filmtechniker, 80.219.85.159 16:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
i've quickly searched the official US patent organisation site to find Le Prince's 1888 US patent but was not successful, if anyone is used with patents search sites, it would be a nice addition to this article. Cliché Online 14:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
actually i just realized the NMPFT digital movies are the right side, it is actually the NMPFT ressource centre archive pictures of frames who are mirrored! The article, and article pictures will be corrected tomorrow and my video Roundhay Rexdix Ver3 too, a luck i did not realized this picture mistakes too late. Cliché Online 23:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
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I just wanted to say to the editors how great this page is. Thanks! -- Charlene 01:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
G'day, the reference to the last paragraph of the lead section (about the photograph of a drowned man that is supposed to be Le Prince) seems to be missing. -- Ouro ( blah blah) 19:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The movie was shot from an upper window of a building at Bridge End, on the south east corner of Leeds Bridge. There is a commemorative blue plaque on the building. The premises were occupied by Hick Brothers, ironmongers. Le Prince bought items from the shop to construct his equipment in his 160 Woodhouse Lane workshop, approximately a mile north of the bridge. The scene shows traffic on Leeds Bridge with Lower Briggate visible on the far right and the entrance to Swinegate on the far left. To see photo's of the Leeds Bridge area go to the "Leodis" site http://www.leodis.net and enter a key term such as Leeds Bridge or Bridge End or Hick Brothers or Louis Le Prince, etc. (enter term Auto Express to see photo's of his workshop building at 160 Woodhouse Lane). 11 July 2007
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I find Le Prince's story fascinating, but this article confuses me slightly, so I added two clarifyme tags. It first has "Le Prince's elder son Adolphe, who had assisted his father in many of his experiments", but later "According to Alphonse Le Prince who assisted his father at Leeds". Did Louis have two sons and did they both assist their father? Is there a source for who actually appears in the Roundhay Garden Scene film and who actually was called as a witness for the American Mutoscope Company in their litigation with Edison? - 84user ( talk) 15:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
OK guys, I just wanted to give anybody who has put the lead section together a chance to fix it, before I go ahead and tag it or fix it by myself. first of all the claim "motion images on film" is simply factually incorrect or at least misleading. Simply because film wasn't invented until 1889. Louis Le Prince shot on photosensitive paper. Or in case this first film is meant to mean "paper-film", it should be sourced to some book then. Currently the statements are simply misleading since the 'paper roll film' was invented by Arthur James Melhuish already in 1854 and Albert Londe designed a single camera to shoot image sequences in 1884, 3-4 years earlier than Le Prince. I looked up 2 published books. [1] and [2]. Please fix the article according to these or any published books and do not source claims on community websites like the main ref directs to some "local_heroes" article we are having here. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 03:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
the books are available for online reading for anybody to see. That was the reason I listed those since they are available digitally in google books. I'm not saying that exactly these books should be used. feel free to cite any books on the subject: history of film . The BBC in the context is an editorial source, I'm not discounting it, it's just an opinion of the journalist that can be used as a source. Just that its an opinion that happens to be not exactly in sync with the main stream film historians and theorists. -- Termer ( talk) 14:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
PS. Regarding Rawlence's Missing Reel ISBN 9780689120688. That's a fine source too. Just that the article should say that a film historian Christopher Rawlence suggest Le Prince to be the true inventor of the motion pictures. Instead of like currently articles on WP film history say that Le Prince is commonly accepted as the inventor of motion pictures. There is much more to that and opinions and theories vary. What you can also say is that Rawlence has suggested Le Prince may have been killed by someone intending to cash in on his invention but there are no evidence that would support that theory. What we can't do per WP:NPOV, declare Le Prince the undisputed inventor of motion pictures on WP.-- Termer ( talk) 17:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Comment: Guiness Book of Records as the earliest surviving motion picture.
citation needed
This needs to be confirmed by a reliable secondary source. Since earliest surviving motion picture can be anything and therefore the fact is not encyclopedic. Earliest surviving motion pictures can include work done by
Joseph Plateau,
William George Horner,
Muybridge etc.--
Termer (
talk) 04:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
"These pictures were soon projected on a screen in Leeds, making it the first motion picture exhibition." This claim strikes me as problematic, especially within the contentious and confusing world of early film history. First of all, it needs a citation. Second, "soon" is hopelessly vague when followed by a claim of "first ever." Third, there are probably multiple competing definitions of "exhibition," so this would need to be defined. Hirschjoshua ( talk) 23:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Under "Occupation" at the top of the page it lists Porn Star. I can't find anything in the text to back this up. Maria Godebska ( talk) 23:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Are there any films about the life of Le Prince?- Joseph 13:23, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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The section on his death/disappearance makes the claim that it's most likely Louis committed suicide b/c of a photo found of a body pulled from the Seine and that he was facing bankruptcy. According to this site I'm posting here though, that's not correct, and the article should not be written making assumptions like that. It says that the man in the photo is too short to have been Louis, and that his finances were actually good. https://www.acmi.net.au/stories-and-ideas/tragedy-louis-le-prince/ 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:544F:E012:2320:EFE4 ( talk) 00:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)