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Since this article is solely about the 1994 shootings, I propose it be renamed to reflect that. The obvious choices are "Loughinisland killings" or "Loughinisland massacre". The title should be whichever is the most commonly used.
Thoughts?
~Asarlaí 03:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
It's been almost ten days without a reply, so I've decided to go ahead and move the article. A Google search throws up the following:
As "Loughinisland massacre" is by far the most popular name for this incident, that shall be the name of the article.
~Asarlaí 03:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
So first of all we had the fictional claim that "members of the security forces took part in the killings", now there is the equally fictional, in the absence of sources that actually say it, claim that "members of the security forces knew the massacre was being planned". "members of the security forces" is a short, unambiguous phrase. It consists of five words, all in English, some of them only one syllable long. So it really is difficult to understand why such a simple, unambiguous phrase is persistently being misused to make claims which are not true? Perhaps someone could explain? 2 lines of K 303 13:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
The Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland is still, as of late 2010, investigating claims that members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) knew the massacre was being planned and failed to carry out a proper investigation. [1]
A report into the police's handling of one of the last major atrocities of the Troubles will reveal that four security force agents were aware that the Ulster Volunteer Force was planning the Loughinisland massacre ... Security sources said this weekend that the investigation will highlight the role of informers inside the UVF who ordered or helped organise the attack on the Heights bar in June 1994.
I note the naming of the victims here- is that appropriate and within normal Wikipedia guidelines re "memorials"? But rather than removing the victims list here, I would first like to ask if anyone can provide a justification for retaining it?-- Oneill1921 ( talk) 15:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)Oneill1921
The article does not say, but which UVF brigade carried out the killings? I imagine it was the Mid-Ulster Brigade.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 18:31, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The section "Provisional IRA retaliation" purported to establish a link between the murders at Loughinisland with a series of IRA killings giving p.231 of Peter Taylor's Loyalists as a reference. No such link is advanced by Taylor, or even raised in fact. The killing of Bratty is mentioned with reference to the UFF attack on the Sean Graham betting shop (Bratty had been briefly charged with this). The IRA killings were all of UDA members, while Loughinisland was carried out by the UVF. I have read virtually every published work on or about the UVF and many on the IRA and I cannot recall ever seeing the two linked. Any correlation would seem to be the conjecture of the editor. Shipyard Special ( talk) 16:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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Since this article is solely about the 1994 shootings, I propose it be renamed to reflect that. The obvious choices are "Loughinisland killings" or "Loughinisland massacre". The title should be whichever is the most commonly used.
Thoughts?
~Asarlaí 03:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
It's been almost ten days without a reply, so I've decided to go ahead and move the article. A Google search throws up the following:
As "Loughinisland massacre" is by far the most popular name for this incident, that shall be the name of the article.
~Asarlaí 03:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
So first of all we had the fictional claim that "members of the security forces took part in the killings", now there is the equally fictional, in the absence of sources that actually say it, claim that "members of the security forces knew the massacre was being planned". "members of the security forces" is a short, unambiguous phrase. It consists of five words, all in English, some of them only one syllable long. So it really is difficult to understand why such a simple, unambiguous phrase is persistently being misused to make claims which are not true? Perhaps someone could explain? 2 lines of K 303 13:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
The Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland is still, as of late 2010, investigating claims that members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) knew the massacre was being planned and failed to carry out a proper investigation. [1]
A report into the police's handling of one of the last major atrocities of the Troubles will reveal that four security force agents were aware that the Ulster Volunteer Force was planning the Loughinisland massacre ... Security sources said this weekend that the investigation will highlight the role of informers inside the UVF who ordered or helped organise the attack on the Heights bar in June 1994.
I note the naming of the victims here- is that appropriate and within normal Wikipedia guidelines re "memorials"? But rather than removing the victims list here, I would first like to ask if anyone can provide a justification for retaining it?-- Oneill1921 ( talk) 15:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)Oneill1921
The article does not say, but which UVF brigade carried out the killings? I imagine it was the Mid-Ulster Brigade.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 18:31, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The section "Provisional IRA retaliation" purported to establish a link between the murders at Loughinisland with a series of IRA killings giving p.231 of Peter Taylor's Loyalists as a reference. No such link is advanced by Taylor, or even raised in fact. The killing of Bratty is mentioned with reference to the UFF attack on the Sean Graham betting shop (Bratty had been briefly charged with this). The IRA killings were all of UDA members, while Loughinisland was carried out by the UVF. I have read virtually every published work on or about the UVF and many on the IRA and I cannot recall ever seeing the two linked. Any correlation would seem to be the conjecture of the editor. Shipyard Special ( talk) 16:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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